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Chapter 3: Ready? Set... Go!

The longest two weeks of my life! But these underlined the importance of progesterone testing, especially for a maiden bitch.

It is important to know your bitch's cycle to increase the success of breeding. The stud owner of the male I chose also had it outlined in their stud contract that the bitch's progesterone levels should be tested at 5.0 ng or higher before even bothering to show up and attempt mating. So I was contractually obligated - but I also personally wanted to do it. Partly to time the breeding, and partly because I was looking for the LH surge, not just ovulation.

Why the LH surge? The LH surge allows for predicting the exact due date. Regardless of when she is bred, a bitch will always whelp 65 days from the LH surge, give or take a day.

In Nadia's case this proved a costly affair as she was extremely slow to progress in her progesterone... and then suddenly shot up!
She was at a 0.3 when I tested her on the morning of Day 6 of her cycle, which was Thursday the 13th of February. Then I tried again on Tuesday the 18th. She was a 0.9 at that point. We returned on Thursday the 20th whereupon 1.9 in the morning meaning she was surging. That was a very quick jump. And since on Friday morning she was a 3.1 it's easy to presume she hit her surge sometime during Thursday. This sets her due date at April 25th! But the stud owner said wait... do another test on Saturday. She suddenly accelerated - and was at 8.7 Saturday morning. At this point that means she was in the midst of her ovulation.

I would later find out from one of her former breeders that her dam was exactly the same. She'd stand between day 14 and 17. This would have been useful information to know before I did all those tests but now I do. And this is also a good thing to be aware of when breeding - knowing your female's dam and close relative's fertility and cycle.

I suspected she would be ovulating by the weekend given how quickly she was rising, and based on her behaviour. Friday she was following around Vanya, sniffing her vulva and chattering her teeth and drooling. And flagging at her. Saturday she would flag at me when I gave her chest scratches. Oh and she was flagging at the parrot in the vet office. Nonetheless it felt very sudden - on my drive back from the vet I got the call. I immediately wrote to the stud owner and said I could be in MA in 5 hours.

I ran to the bank to get money for the stud fee, then ran back home, shoved a few clothes and essentials in a backpack, grabbed some of Nadia's food. The rest of my dog stuff was already packed. I had one last thing to do - grab a little birthday present for my mother, as it was her birthday that day. Off we went! Fair skies, fluid border entry.

At around 6:00pm we headed to the breeder's house. The co-owner was already there with Tank and so I was told to bring Nadia in right away.

Tank is not one for romancing the ladies. Luckily I knew this, knew what to expect with him. The big question would be Nadia, although I suspected with all her prior flagging that she would be more than receptive.

She immediately tried to flirt with him, and within a second he was attempting to mount her. Nadia was a bit tall for him so he couldn't seem to quite get her at first. She stood very well for him, until he would dismount... trying to lick her sent her hips wiggling right and left and spinning like crazy trying to flirt with him some more for a few seconds, until she stood for him and presented for him again. She was flagging very well so now it was a matter of him quite simply getting the right angle.

When he finally did, Nadia stood very well. She started drooling like crazy which the breeder remarked was a very good sign. There are two things you want to see from the bitch - drooling, and contractions. Which she was also doing - frequent, major abdominal contractions. The whole time, I was petting her, reassuring her, praising her and telling her what a good girl she was and she relaxed resting her chin on my shoulder. When Tank dismounted during the tie she at first tried to move away but a gentle reminder was enough to get her to stand still again. She tried turning around and gently nudged Tank's ear. I already knew she must have decided she liked him or she would not have let him mount. At no point did she show any signs of discomfort, fear or aggression towards him. This made me happy. For a first time breeding, she was stellar!

After this it was important to immediately crate her and not let her pee for at least an hour. Sharon and I agreed to meet at a restaurant to finalize the paperwork. I gave her photocopies of all of Nadia's health certs, results and title certs with the exception of her IBAR - I had no certificate for it and her CSAU - also no certificate (and I didn't want the head ache of having to photocopy her scorebook) but I told Sharon this and it was all good. We talked breeding, talked dogs and it was great to see we had similar ideas and mindsets about breeding. She told me she was looking forward to this litter precisely because I was doing so much with Nadia outside of conformation. She told me about some interesting upcoming litters she was planning herself meant to bring in diversity from bloodlines overseas. She also offered some good tips for the pregnancy and raising of the litter and said she was available for me any time if there was anything I needed to ask. It is really awesome when the stud owner is this supportive!

Next day, Nadia was still very much disposed. I was talking to her in the hotel room, playfully imitating her doberwhine, when she started flagging without me touching her. We met around 1:30 pm with Tank, and the second breeding went just as smoothly as the first, although this time the pair showed even more affection and mutual ear licking. Given how quickly she was rising in her progesterone and that we were now on day 15, both matings went so well - we decided a third would not be necessary. We drove off that night.

Yesterday, Feb 26th was Nadia's birthday and so I figured today would be the perfect day to announce the breeding on my kennel page.

Now, the important part will be keeping her well fed and stress free, and cross some fingers for a successful, uneventful, and safe pregnancy and whelp! I'll be watching for the signs like a hawk in the coming weeks!
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Hope it all goes well and she shows signs of pregnancy quickly! So funny that yesterday was her birthday - both of my girls have the same birthday as Nadia! They are 6 years apart in age and the same birthday was one of many signs that Mabel was meant to be mine.

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Hope it all goes well and she shows signs of pregnancy quickly! So funny that yesterday was her birthday - both of my girls have the same birthday as Nadia! They are 6 years apart in age and the same birthday was one of many signs that Mabel was meant to be mine.
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How neat that both your girls share that birthday as well-a very good date for a doberman to be born indeed
Funnily enough they all share their birthday with one very famous doberman: Nello's Lex Luthor.


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So much for my ability to pick owners. It was then I figured that I could meet owners whose dogs I liked and buy dogs and not have to deal with selling puppies who were like my own flesh and blood by the time they were whelped and raised and ready to go.

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While not the same thing, I processed applications for rescue for over a decade, doing my best (with a team) to determine who would be a good Doberman owner. Even on that level, it killed me when there was trouble. And some of the best looking people on paper were just the worst in real life... and vice versa.

I cannot fathom all the work and time and love and sweat and money that would go into having my own litter, hoping I'd picked good homes, and suffering through the losses eventually. It makes me queasy when people ask about using Zyan as a stud. This endeavor sure isn't for the faint of heart.

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Best Of Luck to you! I bred to Tank, his puppies are now five years old, I think I was the first to breed to him.

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Thank you! Tesla's resumé was definitely a factor in my interest towards him. I had spoken to Libby Dene since she liked him enough to use him with two different bitches too, and of course I got to witness his latest litter.


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Chapter 4: Fides in adversis

If your latin is a little rusty, "faith in adversity". This update is done with great delight and some apprehension, but steeled resolve.



Nadia is pregnant. Which means all the testing, the planning and prep is one step closer to fruition. Nadia is pregnant! I didn't even have to get an ultra sound to confirm, a month after she's been bred it's glaringly obvious in how her body is changing. Her belly is growing, her nipples are huge, and she is producing clear (normal) mucosa from her vulva. She's also acting like she's never been fed her entire life.

I had increased a tiny bit her food portion when she went into heat in order to stimulate the ovum production, but ideally after that you aren't meant to increase the portion much until the last three weeks. From right before she was bred she was also given a boost of folic acid and Omega supplements, both for her own health and that of the puppies. Studies show that dams who've been supplemented with DHA in particular produce puppies that are 20% smarter and quicker learners than dams who haven't. We're trying to breed super dobes, or at least total dobes, and genetics aren't the only thing that matter!

Aside from that she hasn't had any morning sickness, and though she's sleeping more she's as sprightly as ever. Living in the city means our opportunities with the COVID-19 crisis to go out and do our usual type of exercise has been limited, but she still gets excited to go out when possible. Which is frustrating as I had originally planned to keep her training and exercising for most of her pregnancy - the better shape she's in, the easier the whelp will be.

And speaking of the COVID-19 crisis, not my ideal scenario for my first time breeding, but one thing for sure I won't soon forget. Of the people I've had lined up for a puppy, none have backed out because of the crisis at this point. One said she's on hold as she was expecting a colonoscopy but that had to be cancelled to an undetermined date because of the crisis, and that will determine some of her health for the future. I told her to read my contract and keep it with her and that we will see. A lot can happen in the next 3 months.

Where the crisis gets a little complicated is at a different level. I had lined up a place to rent in the country side since the Montreal bylaws as of this year no longer allow breeding within the city limits. That being said I don't think the city will take umbrage given the extraordinary circumstances that we are under. No matter, I'll adapt.

Then there's the notion that movement is being restricted within the country and of course, across the border. This concerns me for tails and ears because under normal circumstances we would go to Ontario to get it down. The cropping vets were as of now stopping all cropping and only focusing on urgent care or infant puppy/kitten care. Luckily for me I don't have to worry about cropping yet. Pups would be 8 weeks on June 20th so I could possibly wait until July to crop. Given how well the country is handling the crisis so far, I have hope.

It's also concerning for prospective buyers. One of the buyers I have lined up is in the states. She is honestly an ideal home in an ideal situation, and so I hope come what may we will be able to get her a pup. My other buyers are in QC, but QC is being so thorough, 8 of our regions are on total lockdown to avoid the spread. (These are areas with low or no cases thus far).

I'm also having to adapt - for instance I had an order of liquid calcium that was gonna be picked up at a show in the US. All the shows were cancelled weeks ago of course. So I will have to make my own form using calcium tablets. I'm thinking of crushing them and mixing them with a bit of sheep's yogurt and broth and freezing them into small individual treats. The challenge with tablets of course is that they're harder to administer between each pup, since bitches understandably don't feel like eating while they're whelping.

I'm nervous as I was waiting on some supplies from amazon and the delivery keeps being rescheduled. I might be able to get some supplies from the pharmacy but not all. But then I think of the breeders during WWI and WWII who managed and found a way. It might not be what I had envisioned, but I will find a way.

Luckily the pet food stores and producers are considered an essential service so this is not a concern in terms of feeding mama and pups to be. And I confirmed with several vet clinics and hospitals that they are at this point still offering pre-whelp x-rays as considered to be essential care, so at least I won't be left out in the dark to my own devices if things don't go as smoothly as one might hope.

And on the bright side with being not working at the moment, I have plenty of time to spend with Nadia, which makes her very happy, and I can focus on preparing and when the time comes will be able to focus on the puppies.

One thing is for sure, I won't soon forget my first litter. Breeding in the time of COVID-19 might just be the name of my memoir someday


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Artemis, depending on the state of the world, this free webinar may be helpful to you, and your new puppy owners. It's from a poodle breeder, who is also a trainer. She gave permission to share it.

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Puppy Culture is offering a free four-week course, too, Artemis. If you aren't already doing Puppy Culture I highly recommend this (I highly recommend Puppy Culture in general). This would also be something to share with potential buyers...I'm not sure how long it will be free - they are doing it because of the unusual times.

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That's fantastic thank you so much! I have been heavily looking into puppy culture to integrate into my puppy rearing protocol. Since I currently have a lot of free time I was considering biting the bullet and getting the DVDs or streaming access. I was planning on blending principles of puppy culture, with early neurological stimulation as well as confidence and drive building protocols used by a couple of working sport or k9 breeders. Precisely because this is an unusual period, what will be missed in terms of 'socialisation' will have to be made up for in confidence and focus.

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That's fantastic thank you so much! I have been heavily looking into puppy culture to integrate into my puppy rearing protocol. Since I currently have a lot of free time I was considering biting the bullet and getting the DVDs or streaming access. I was planning on blending principles of puppy culture, with early neurological stimulation as well as confidence and drive building protocols used by a couple of working sport or k9 breeders. Precisely because this is an unusual period, what will be missed in terms of 'socialisation' will have to be made up for in confidence and focus.

Funny you shared this as I was literally sitting down to look into this stuff today thank you!
Personally, I would HIGHLY recommend it to you as a breeder. Sypha was raised with Puppy Culture, and we had puppies in our foundations class that also were. It was obvious which puppies were, and which weren't. The foundation work that their breeders had done REALLY optimized learning. All of those puppies were very eager to learn, really had that desire to "try" behaviors, see what worked, were very environmentally stable...just a whole host of things that they had in common. And there were other well bred pups in the class, too, so it wasn't just that. There was a clear difference.
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Personally, I would HIGHLY recommend it to you as a breeder. Sypha was raised with Puppy Culture, and we had puppies in our foundations class that also were. It was obvious which puppies were, and which weren't. The foundation work that their breeders had done REALLY optimized learning. All of those puppies were very eager to learn, really had that desire to "try" behaviors, see what worked, were very environmentally stable...just a whole host of things that they had in common. And there were other well bred pups in the class, too, so it wasn't just that. There was a clear difference.
Yep that makes sense. Good genetics is the foundation of course but there is so much more that goes into creating a solid base for 'programming' puppies that will give them a clear head start over their peers. I spent a lot of time last summer looking into the AKC 'Super Dog' initiative and reading about environmental contributions to creating superior animals. The program is mostly aimed at encouraging breeders to create and contribute to detection, security and military dogs home grown in America, as right now most of those dogs are imported from places like the Czech Republic. But a lot of what was discussed would apply to pet homes/performance homes as well.

Nutrition is one of the environmental factors I've already incorporated, and ENS is part of my plan followed by puppy culture/puppy culture type protocols. I just went and checked out the Early Scent Introduction as well and I think that's super neat! I'm a little bit lost on which Avidog option is the best for me at this stage but I'm interested in that as well!

In other news we have an appointment for the x-ray at 9 am this coming Sunday the 19th!

Nadia's belly is growing day by day... and I'm getting all sorts of guesses for how many puppies she's hiding.
So far I've got two guesses for 6, two guesses for 7, three guesses for 8 and now one for 10 and two for 9.

There is exactly one week between the top and bottom pictures, April 5th - April 11th which are respectively 42 days and 48 days from the first mating.


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Chapter 5: Final Countdown

I actually meant to write this journal entry sooner, since Nadia had her xray last Sunday and it was emailed to me on Monday! But I have been so busy shopping for about a month's worth groceries and supplies so my girlfriend, Nadia and I could move out of the city. We found a PERFECT place, it's paradise here and Nadia loves it too. We moved in Wednesday and I set up the whelping area that very night. More on that in a sec.

Here is the original xray as emailed to me:


The vet said he saw 6 puppies for sure and thinks he sees a 7th. Said everyone was mineralised and alive, pups are neither too big or too small, everything looked good and he didn't expect there to be any issues.

Here is the enhanced version a friend cleared up for me.


Everyone I've shown it to counts either 7 or 8. I am particularly fond of the one towards the bottom left corner with his/her head upside down and clearly pressing against Nadia's diaphragm. Gotta feeling that one will be a handful.

I've also gotten more calls/message requests for puppies so I've been fielding homes, and that's definitely tedious work. I have 5 deposits for now but decided not to take anymore for now, as I want to see what kind of pups I will get from the litter and don't want to disappoint people if I've got to refund their deposit because I don't have a good fit for them. It has certainly been interesting but I'm very pleased with the 5 homes lined up so far with 2-3 more on standby. I've gotten to see firsthand the lack of education, lack of puppy buyer etiquette that I'm sure most reputable breeders have to deal with on a weekly basis. I've tried to remain educational and tactful.

Alright so the whelping area:


a few days ago I installed a brand new memory foam mattress on my bed that is absolutely divine. I was going to toss out my old one which is about 25 years old and then suddenly the idea struck me to save it if not for the whelping pen, maybe for the weaning pen. So we brought it with us when we moved to this little patch of heaven, and it so happens that right beside the master bedroom there is a short narrow hallway with a bunk bed on one side and closets with sliding doors on the other with mirrors (meaning that when I'm lying in the master bed I can see the whelping pen). The owner renting to us removed the lower bed as he wasn't sure what kind of dog we had and upon seeing it I knew it would be PERFECT, so I installed my old mattress. I figured it would be safe and familiar to Nadia with my scent on it and hers (she did after all, grow up on this mattress).

Under the mattress there are two rubber entrance mats to protect the floor, and a tarp. Over the mattress there is a throw blanket, and temporarily for the actual whelp there is also a layer of absorbent fabric and above that the white thing you see is a bedding protector that's plastified under the bottom.

The box itself is just a raised 4x4 flower bed from Costco. Beside it I have all my supplies including:
- whelping collars
- exam gloves
- trash bag
- fresh individual towels for each puppy
- medical scissors
- forceps
- unwaxed dental floss
- thermometer
- vaseline
- baby wipes
- rubbing alcohol
- scott towels
- tissue box
- pee pads
- q-tips
- cotton pads
- medical tape
- ace bandage (just because)
- heat lamp (which I won't use unless there's an emergency)

Late in the night wednesday (or perhaps early in the morning since it was around half past one am) I was on the phone talking to a prospective owner when my girlfriend came to get me with a worried look in her eye telling me Nadia had begun lactating and given her a "what is happening!?" look. I took her temp which was at 99.86F/37.7C. Decided to go to bed (with Nadia of course). Next morning her temp had dropped to 98.6/37.0 by 10:30 am and I figured she'd be whelping right on schedule in the next 24-48 hours. She was extremely quiet all day sleeping a lot more than she normally would including laying on the floor, (which she normally doesn't) we spotted more milk leaking. We went to bed last night around the same time.

As I am writing these lines, Nadia is laying in her whelping box. She woke me up this morning with some very frantic digging of the bed around 6 am. As soon as I was up she went to her whelping box (this was about 4 hours ago) and hasn't left the box. She wanted me to sit in the box with her at first and I spent the last 4 hours watching the side of her stomach visibly move from the puppies. She's mostly been resting, breathing hard and digging and nesting, licking her vulva on occasion. I have only left her side to get some water for hr, a muffin + energy drink for myself and to throw another log on the fire before washing my hands and scrubbing up to my elbows.

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How exciting...And we get to wait with you!!

Does your box have a puppy rail?? I'm looking at it with all that bedding and wondering if they could get squished around somehow. Or is that just for whelping?

I have no idea how the puppy raising stuff works.
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Come on--there must be news by now...or are you and Nadia to worn out with whelping to give us an up date--how many puppies, what color, how many dogs and bitches.

Hope everything is going well.

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Whelping hasn't begun yet, she's making me wait! But Nadia hasn't left the box all day except once to go potty and she straight away on her own immediately wanted to go back in and hop into her whelping box. She gets up and digs or lays down resting. From time to time I can see the puppies moving in her belly!

There are no pig rails, however there will be a lot less bedding once the puppies are here. It's primarily to try and contain the mess as well as give her fun things to dig and nest with. With the mattress being thick the risk of crushing is much lower than if she were on a hard surface. Hard to think any of them could get lost either I am going to be counting them obsessively and I'm sure she will too!

Offered her food and she ate most of it but for the first time in her life didn't lick the plate clean and left a few bites. I told her if she got to work now we could be ready by dinner time, but so far no dice!
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Chapter 6: Stronger than one, Stronger than ten, Stronger than a thousand men!

I am talking about Nadia that is - (and all the mothers out there). In the night from Friday to Saturday, Nadia woke me up every hour to hour and a half, digging like crazy. I checked on her every time. Finally I woke up at around 11:30. And trust any time I took her out for potty I followed her with a towel in hand just in case.

She behaved same as the day before. Early in the afternoon she went to potty and clearly seemed to be having the milder contractions bitches often mistake for needing to pee. Around 2pm she lost her mucous plug so I knew the puppies would be coming soon! I was a bit concerned at first as I had been told if there is blood before the first pup to immediately call the vet. There was a bit of blood but it wasn't just blood. So I called one vet, who told me they were closed, then sent me off to another vet. It was really important to me to establish timing and make the vets aware because the nearest vets were about an hour away. They told me some bleeding was normal and nothing to be concerned with, but that from the moment she started pushing if more than 30 minutes passed without a puppy to get in the car.

This was the most nerve wracking part, having never whelped a litter before, not knowing what amount was normal and what wasn't. Finally Nadia started panting heavily and having mild contractions. She was resting up until about 15 minutes before she started delivering!

The first puppy was a struggle for her, but I sat there encouraging her and he was presenting head first so I knew she could do it. 4:45pm a healthy, vigorous black boy was born! Bruni weighed 14.2oz and got the blue collar. This was such an emotional moment, I cannot describe how moved I was and the tenderness I felt watching him move about and 'speak', watching Nadia immediately settle into motherhood. My girlfriend actually started crying from the cute as she was giggling in delight watching him.

40 minutes later, at 5:25pm we got a feisty black female, dubbed Elsa who weighed 15oz and got light blue. Both she and her brother had no trouble finding the teats and nursing. She was calmer than her brother when being held but omg was she vocal. She has opinions!

About on schedule, at 6:03pm the smallest of the bunch practically just slipped out. Anna was the smallest weighing in at 14.1oz and if I thought her sister was feisty... this one is a handful! She got pink collar like her mama was. Another black puppy.

Nadia was doing really well mothering them but was clearly exhausted and after she had fed and pottied everyone she laid her head down to rest a little. The job wasn't done.

An hour passed this time and at exactly 7:03pm we greeted another puppy, a blue girl whom we are calling the Secret Siren. Siren got white collar and she was the largest girl at 16.2oz! We were a bit concerned as she seemed a little more lethargic than the first three and had trouble finding a teat at first even with our help. She eventually livened up and is now just as healthy and vigorous as her other siblings.

Nadia was starting to tire but I knew I had to expect at least two more so we watched for contractions and more pushing. 8:15 this boy just slipped out... however something was wrong. His sac was filled with meconium (as had the Siren's). The others had come out wiggling or moving to some degree, he didn't. And Nadia's reaction was instantly different. We immediately helped him out of the sac and vigorously rubbed him but there was no reaction. Suctioned his airways. My girlfriend tried to administer cpr for almost an hour. Unfortunately it turns out he was stillborn. She cried and I sat there sadly with Nadia and the others, worried about the following pups, wondering what went wrong. Sharon - Tank's owner and breeder told me he likely died in the canal or a bit before. I know these things happen sometimes, sometimes we know the reason and sometimes we don't.

As for me, I am thankful he was stillborn, as even though I was sad I knew it was a possibility/reality of breeding. It might have been a lot more devastating to lose him after he was born if he had been alive. I suppose in some way it also tested my mettle. I kept a cool head knowing I had to tend to the ones already here and knowing that if he was gone before arriving the following pup(s) could be in distress and I had to prepare. I started having a massive headache too prbably from dehydration and lack of proper nutrition - my gf had insisted on feeding me at least a sandwich by that point, and when I felt the headache coming on I downed a gatorade... that's all I had consummed since the muffin I had when I woke up in the morning.

Nadia was getting exhausted too and there was a much longer break until the last one. Around 9:45 perhaps? When he arrived he was extremely lethargic, I can't recall if he even moved at first but I immediately ripped the sac open, aspirated his mouth and nose. Adrenaline rush from our lost boy perhaps, but I muttered to myself "no no no... not again" and started rubbing him like crazy. I know they can't hear us at his stage but I remember telling him "come on little guy, get pissed, get angry, you're alive!" he coughed and started making weak noises of protest to our relief. He was a lot more lethargic than even Siren had been and we had to pick him up a few times and rub/stimulate him more with Nadia's help of course. He finally started making his way to the milk bar but kept climbing too high or not opening his mouth for the nipple even with our help. I knew there wasn't an issue with his mouth as he'd opened it before and he didn't have a cleft palet. Eventually he figured it out. We later weighed him at a whopping 18.6oz! We call him the Nøkk.

I was sort of thinking there'd be a 7th but Nadia didn't push any more. Around midnight we thought she might be done. I can't help but fret a little and wonder if she should be getting an xray but it is Sunday and with COVID19 the vets in the region might not consider it urgent enough.

So, Themiscyra Doberman's first generation of Amazons are here, and for now the Frozen litter is doing well. Everyone is nursing, everyone is vigorous. Nadia is a really good mother which is a huge relief as well. All born on April 25th, and she had the courtesy of starting in the afternoon lol!

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Before the pups arrived... Nadia alert


Elsa, still brand new


Nadia, snuggling Anna


Anna


the Siren still wet!






The Nøkk


Now the real fun begins! Making sure everyone survives the first week. Early Neurological Stimulation. Early Scent Introduction!
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How exciting news today ! Puppies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats ! Puppies - so cool !

BTW- I didn't see any purple ones
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Oh Wow!

Great Job Nadia. (You too, A. LOL)

Newborn pups are some of the coolest critters alive.

Sorry about the stillborn. But, congratulations on reviving Nøkk.

That little blue really stands out amongst all her black sisters and brothers.

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Congrats on your litter!! Its a perfect sized litter for a first litter - for both you and Nadia. I had 5 in my first litter, and it was plenty to care for.
Sorry about your still born pup - it does happen. I had one in my 3rd litter and it was very heartbreaking.

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More pictures! We weighed them a little earlier, three of them gained weight, the biggest two Nøkk and Siren had lost a bit. I weighed Siren again later and she had regained almost all she had lost.

Will weigh them again a little later when they hit their 24 hour marks.







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Congrats on your litter!! Its a perfect sized litter for a first litter - for both you and Nadia. I had 5 in my first litter, and it was plenty to care for.
Sorry about your still born pup - it does happen. I had one in my 3rd litter and it was very heartbreaking.
Thank you, I said the same thing to someone else - perfect size for Nadia and for myself as a first litter will give me plenty of time to spend on each pup and keep track of.


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Artie - So is that one a Fawn ?

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She's a blue! Nadia is BBDd so can only produce black and blue. She will probably darken with age.
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