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Anybody here heard about a dog called Rahdy's Tsar "Nikolay" (Rahdy's Sail the Seven Seas Grand son)- I am not able to look him up in Dobequest.
A breeder in the north offered me a puppy sired by this dog for 3500 USD with co-ownership.
When I asked for the pic of the sire and co-ownership terms the breeder went silent. Smells fishy. - not able to let it go for the name Rahdy's Sail the Seven Seas

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Did she claim he had any titles? You should be able to find those, if they exist.
Because if he isn't titled, he's not likely to be a good breeding prospect.
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I've moved your post to a new thread - they weren't terribly relevant to the thread you posted in and I don't think people will see and respond to them there.

I think trusting your gut when interacting with a breeding is generally a good thing.
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Is the sire a champion? If not, why? Who is the breeder you're speaking with?

You can try the Goldfein's website or call them if there's nothing on there.
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Googling his name I found him here
The DPCA | Regional Results | 2018

He placed 4th in the Puppy 6-9 months old, Black class.

The google search also yielded this
https://www.facebook.com/43291154008...3914119313175/

It would seem he is a son of Sirius (Perfex Canis Major) and was owner-handled by Dave Goldfein.
While Rahdy's Tsar Nikolay doesn't seem to be in Dobequest, using this information (of him being a son of sirius and a puppy in 2018) I was able to find his pedigree. This is his littermate
Dobequestog Profile Page

You could always try to contact the owner of Nikolay for more information.
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The DPCA | Regional Results | 2018

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https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...0115&__tn__=-R

Looks like he's being shown and doing fairly well. I'd contact his breeder for more info, to be honest. Here's who bred him: Rahdy's Dobermans & Swathrun's English Cockers, shobrina, grooming, boarding - Barrington Hills, Illinois

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Sounds like dog was bred before 18 months old, then, if pups are on the ground?
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Googling his name I found him here
The DPCA | Regional Results | 2018

He placed 4th in the Puppy 6-9 months old, Black class.

The google search also yielded this
https://www.facebook.com/43291154008...3914119313175/

It would seem he is a son of Sirius (Perfex Canis Major) and was owner-handled by Dave Goldfein.
While Rahdy's Tsar Nikolay doesn't seem to be in Dobequest, using this information (of him being a son of sirius and a puppy in 2018) I was able to find his pedigree. This is his littermate
Dobequestog Profile Page

You could always try to contact the owner of Nikolay for more information.
Thanks a bunch for the information - really helpful.
I will not go ahead unless I see the picture of sire - I was told he is a champion which is same as your finding.
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Did she claim he had any titles? You should be able to find those, if they exist.
Because if he isn't titled, he's not likely to be a good breeding prospect.
Yes the breeder claimed both sire and dam to be champion.
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I've moved your post to a new thread - they weren't terribly relevant to the thread you posted in and I don't think people will see and respond to them there.

I think trusting your gut when interacting with a breeding is generally a good thing.
Thanks I am getting very good response this is my first post- I posted on Co-ownership thread as I was not sure if I should enter into a co-ownership of a puppy sired by a dog whose photo is no where on internet and pay hefty(i know its relative) sum of $3.5 K
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Sounds like dog was bred before 18 months old, then, if pups are on the ground?
There are two litters by same sire one already on the ground other due in Jan'20.
All these sire and dam(s) are grand kids of Rahdy's Sail the Seven seas (3-3 line breeding).
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if the birthdate for the littermate is accurate then he was born Feb 25th 2018 meaning if there are pups on the ground now that are old enough to go home he would've been just a little over 18 months before breeding.

There not being a picture on the internet isn't necessarily indicative of quality or lack thereof. I'd be more concerned about how young he is meaning he's not fully mature/developped and realistically health tests such as echos and holters are a bit meaningless at that age. 95% of dobermans would have a normal heart at that age.
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if the birthdate for the littermate is accurate then he was born Feb 25th 2018 meaning if there are pups on the ground now that are old enough to go home he would've been just a little over 18 months before breeding.

There not being a picture on the internet isn't necessarily indicative of quality or lack thereof. I'd be more concerned about how young he is meaning he's not fully mature/developped and realistically health tests such as echos and holters are a bit meaningless at that age. 95% of dobermans would have a normal heart at that age.
The litter is not yet ready to go only few weeks old but breeder is asking for a booking fee of 1000 USD to reserve a puppy. I will wait till I see the sire and co-ownership terms. So difficult to get a show puppy without co-ownership these days. Every famous show dog is bred by 3-4 people and owned by same number of people
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Personally, I'm not a fan of breeding dogs that young (again, this is just my personal opinion!). I feel like there's no reason to rush, and I'd rather wait to see how a dog matures, what the health in the pedigree looks like, what the adult temperament is....I know it's within the code of ethics, but that's just my own personal opinion.


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Dogs can be bred posthumously. Rushing it is VERY problematic in my eyes. I would want to know why this dog was bred this young, when cardiac testing isn't really complete.

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I think worrying about co-ownerships isn't really necessary. I think with few exceptions every pure bred dog I've owned (most of them Dobermans and all of them intended for the conformation ring have been co-owned.

I would be very careful about the terms of a contract though--some of my co- owed dogs had no contract but those that did came with very reasonable contracts--spelled out how long to be shown and if owner handled--how long. One specified the handled to be used by name and all of the contracts had a clause about the breeder taking the dog and either giving it or finding it a good home if something happened to me (on the event of my death) .

I've seen some perfectly ridiculous contracts--which specified exactly what food, what supplements, what handler, what training etc.

But except for the very first Doberman, I came with credentials having finished the first dog as an owner handler and a lot of people had seen him and because he was in show condition when shown and well trained there wasn't a question about my ability to produce an adult show dog from a promising puppy.

Lots of dogs and a good many breeders don't make much of an internet appearance. I wouldn't let that be a make or break deal. But I'd like to see appropriate paperwork--like a pedigree, and records of beginning health testing. I am another one who really doesn't like to see dogs bred young before even minimal (my idea of minimal) health records are complete.

Good luck on your search.

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