Thank you! I tried to PM you but it looks like it disappeared. I came across a video on You Tube a few weeks ago where the handler said the dog received a high score but I didn't understand why. I was wondering if it was the same one you mentioned but I wasn't sure if it would be appropriate to post here. I'll read on on those other temperament tests you mentioned as well.
The United Doberman Club's TT is not as extensive but it looks at the dog in a slightly different manner than the WAE. It doesn't use a scoring grid, so it is strictly pass/fail. There is a score sheet but it uses words/descriptions rather than points because it's not necessarily cumulative. With the WAE, you need to pass all stations, and you need -1 or higher, except on the aggressive stranger where you need minimum 0 or higher if I recall correctly.
This is the UDC score sheet https://www.uniteddobermanclub.com/f...scoresheet.pdf
The UDC TT is offered at UDC conformation shows, because in UDC in order for a dog to be eligible to win a CC (conformation certificate, of which you need 3 to earn a championship (you also need an additional performance or work title)) your dog needs to successfully pass the TT. If I'm not mistaken your dog also needs to pass the TT to be able to win their class. If the dog fails the TT they are still allowed to compete but cannot earn a CC or win their class.
I know a couple of AKC show breeders who'll take their dogs to a UDC show to put threm through the TT if there is a show in their area.
The UDC TT has four versions - puppy, youth, adult and sport. I just dug up the manual for you and on that note I just realised I've been labelling Nadia's title wrong... it should be ATT since she took the Adult temperament test. Oops.
You can read the entire rulebook if you'd like, but if not just go to page 28 of the document https://www.uniteddobermanclub.com/m...2016_Final.pdf
The American Temperament Test Society (which is the real TT apparently - I for some reason thought ATT was this one and the UDC's TT was just TT) https://atts.org/tt-test-description/
I believe scoring and comments are done in accordance to the dog's the breed and what is correct, but someone else can correct me on that.
The German ZTP (Zuchttauglichkeitsprüfung) is a certificate that ALL breeding dogs in Germany must obtain prior to being bred.
It is comprised of like 4 main components
- Health; Hip X-rays/ratings, dentition examination, vWD status I believe are the current mandatory health tests. If your dog is American, then you must also provide recent heart related examinations. (I've got a lot to say about that but this is neither the time or place)
- Conformation; the dog is evaluated by a judge and given a thorough evaluation of every characteristic. It is very detailed. The dog will also receive an overall rating.
- Sociability and temperament; the dog will be walked through crowds, exposed to a gun shot, and all kinds of stimuli. There is also a tie-out test where the owner leaves the dog and the judge will evaluate the dog's reaction in the absence of the owner (this is also similar to a BH-VT) in general as well as for specifics (like dropping a clipboard near the dog)
- protection; directly after the tie out the owner will collect the dog and start walking down the field. A "surprise" attack will occur with a helper wearing an IPO sleeve, jumping out of a blind. (This is an out of blind attack) the owner is expected to let go, and the dog is expected to run to the helper and ideally bite the sleeve showing willingness to engage with the threat and defend the handler. The handler will go collect the dog on the judge's signal, and then bring the dog back up the field for a courage test (a head on attack with the helper running full tilt towards the dog).
In order to enter the German ZTP, a dog must have a BH or now, BH-VT already at minimum.
The UDC Breed Survey is based on the German ZTP.
They have two versions, the Basic and the Advanced. Both have all 4 components like the ZTP, except they have much more extensive requirements for health (throid, eyes and cardiac are required I believe in addition to the ZTP). The Basic version has no bitework and is more in line with the WAE or the TT/UDC TT in terms of what we are looking for - a willingness to engage the threat and strong protective instincts. This is the version for socalled "untrained" dogs. The Advanced version is slightly harder than the ZTP since it is specifically for trained dogs and will require at least one successful out on either of the two bites. Your dog also needs at minimum BH-VT to enter this.
Breed Surveys are not organised often unfortunately and so it is rare for a dog to get them. There is one coming up in November, on the 24th in southeast NY and I intend to participate, hopefully in the Advanced if I can get Nadia to out consistently by then from a distance, enough that I can think "yes ok I'm confident she will give me at least one out on 6 commands in two bites".
I also had a goal to participate in the ZTP this year which didn't pan out, but maybe next year. You may wonder why I feel the need to enter her/run her through multiple things like this even if she already has an ATT and a WAC. Simply put, it's because these things all vary in their nature, their evaluation and will likely be under different judges. Since no test is perfect, if at least she passes multiple things then even without looking at her videos you might be able to determine that she has a decent well-rounded temperament. It's also why in Conformation you need to be seen by multiple judges to get a Ch - because opinions can differ and while subjectivity is always a risk, if multiple people agree on some aspect we can generally think it is reasonably objective. Same reason I ran her through both the UKC SPOT and the CKC CGN. Different contexts, different judges, different days. Same consistent dog