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Euro Dobe recommendations in Australia?

Hi all,

I wonder if anyone has any recommendations with Euro lines from Australia? My searches yield quite a lot of choices and it is overwhelming. My situation is such that I currently have a 2yr old bitch in New Zealand. In about a year, I'd like to get a Euro line for my own personal comparison and interest. To the best of my knowledge, there are none in NZ. This leads me to possibly importing from Australia.

With many thanks in advance for your advice.
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while there are some very nice Euro lines and some very nice Euro dogs I know that many people who haven't had the opportunity or basic knowledge to choose a "good" Euro breeder and/or good euro lines have not been as happy as they thought they'd be with their Euro dogs.

If I was in New Zealand I'd be talking to Barbara Anderson in Australia--e-mail is [email protected] website Walamara Dobermans and Walamara bred top notch Dobermans for years and it looks like Barbara may still be breeding or perhaps could give you some advice on choosing something other than an Euro breeder.

Oh--address is 974 Calder Alternate Hwy Lockwood, VIC 3551

Good luck to you.

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Did she re-marry? Wasn't her last name Alexander?

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Thanks for the reply all. When asked why euro, I would reply, why not?

I have an American line now from the top breeder in NZ. In my humble opinion, this dog is a mess. So the comment about not being that happy with euro line can equally apply to american lines. I put in a lot of research and paid top dollar. I have also put in tremendous daily effort to try and give this dog some confidence, but she is still a timid nervous wreck. She was like this since day 1 and I've written about this more than once on the forum.

The next dobe, I want to have a solid psychology. Since Euro lines breed to a temperament standard, I hoping for a more balanced psychology.

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P.S. Yes her last name is Alexander as per their website.
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Hoss is a European Doberman and I am pleased with his drive. He is a very busy boy with a constant drive for activities.
IMO a great breeder will not hesitate to answer any questions you ask about their dogs.
Especially regarding the pups lineage. Seems like we learn so many lessons with each dog we raise.
So many things we learn to do differently.
Good luck with your search hopefully you will find a breeder that has a much smaller operation.
A breeder that lives with their dogs.....versus a large kennel. So many things are learned during those first few months of life....appears something really impacted your pup.Bummer.

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What does your girl's breeder say? What are the temperments of her siblings?
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Did she re-marry? Wasn't her last name Alexander?
Oh lord, yes--that was a mind blip on my part--I did mean Barbara Alexander.

DUH--I keep saying that the drugs they have me on for the sciatica make me stupid and very prone to both saying an typing stuff that is just plain wrong.

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Just would like to clarify something - technically american breeders have a temperament standard to breed to as well. But we have no means of enforcing it.
In Europe I believe only German and French Dobermans have to pass some sort of temperament evaluation before given a license to breed. So it is not true that European dobermans as a whole are bred to a standard of temperament.
My friend has two bitches from Eastern European lines. They are both nice overall, but one of them definitely has a shyness problem with strangers in particular (last time she was in a show ring she was excused after she kept backing away and shying from the judge for the dentition look). The other is definitely much more outgoing and very friendly and generally environmentally sound, however she does not have as good a bounceback as my North + South American bitch. They are actually both more sensitive than my girl and in some regards softer.

Also keep in mind that while Germany requires the ZTP to breed, and France requires the TAN (iirc, at least a CSAU), where the ZTP is concerned the test has been watered down and dogs pass that probably shouldn't. At the end of the day it is less about the overall bloodlines, and more about what a specific breeder is producing, consistently and whether that specific breeder does pay attention to temperament.
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