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Anyone have any experience with this breeder?
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Six litters this year? Who knows how many in previous years? Oh wait, fourteen litters in 2018? Good God, I guess LOTS of people have experience with this breeder!

Lots of threads on here about them: https://www.google.com/search?client...+doberman+farm


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Here are some really good resources on how to evaluate breeders:

https://www.dobermantalk.com/breedin...e-breeder.html

https://dpca.org/BreedEd/buying-a-doberman-pinscher/

https://talkdoglogic.wordpress.com/2...hampion-lines/

This would be a good place to start searching for breeders: http://dpca.org/breed/breed_referral.php

So would this: https://www.facebook.com/groups/323279287742250/
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Good grief--20 litters in less than two years? I'd really hate to see the facilities and the breeding stock--that isn't even a BYB--it sound like a full blown puppy mill.

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They name holds true FARM , more like a cattle ranch
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Six litters this year? Who knows how many in previous years? Oh wait, fourteen litters in 2018? Good God, I guess LOTS of people have experience with this breeder!

Lots of threads on here about them: https://www.google.com/search?client...+doberman+farm

Dying! This made my day! my eyes are watering! "Good God, I guess LOTS of people have experience with this".
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Anyone have any experience with this breeder?

I don't have experience with this breeder but from what others said I see red flags.

Make sure they are doing the proper health testing, vWD status, ANNUAL holter monitoring and echoing of the heart to help catch the number one killer of Dobermans DCM (and don't believe ANY breeder that claims their dogs lines don't have DCM), annual Thyroid testing, OFA hips and elbows and I like to see full panel blood testing done before every breeding (although with 20 breedings in 2 years that would be a lot).


Good luck in your hunt. the DPCA has a breeder referral, the UDC has a breeder referral and there's a Doberman breeder listing group on facebook.
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And a little more on the DCM issue...no dog can be cleared by a genetic test at this point. Yes, they have a couple of tests out there, but they are not particularly good at predicting whether a dog will develop DCM. "Clear" dogs can get DCM; dogs who actually have the genes tested for may not.

At this point, the tests are basically an aid as researchers try to figure out what is going on---DCM appears to be genetic and inherited, but in a very complicated way with multiple factors involved.

Also, when you are researching health or temperament, make sure you look at the records for aunts and uncles, grandparents, siblings or part sibs from previous breedings, etc., not just at information about the parents.

Good luck in your search.
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I also was looking at this breeder. But if you look at the litters they are not born at the same place. The last Litter whelped near Boston, MA 2/21; Born: February 19, 2020 Litter whelped near Columbus, Ohio. And Expected: February 28, 2020
Litter will be whelped near New Orleans, LA.
So, I would think they don't own all the dogs. I have not personally called as I'm still looking into what is best for me and my life style.
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Some puppy mills make deals with people they have sold bitches to, that if those people will breed to their studs, and surrender the puppies to the kennel at 7 or 8 weeks old, they can get the female free. That way the mill doesn't have to have facilities for caring for pregnant females and raising puppies, or cover the cost of caring for the pregnant female and their litters, but they still have puppies to sell.

Read between the lines here (I took out the name of the kennel offering this "service" because I don't want the casual reader here to think this is a great idea and buy a bitch from this mill):

OWN ________ FINEST FEMALE PUPPIES AT NO COST!

________ observes the time-honored tradition of reserving its finest female pups as breeders to maintain the quality of its internationally recognized lines. These pups are selectively entered into the ________ breeding program based on their outstanding conformation which meets or exceeds breed standards, as well as their stable temperaments, winning personalities, health and physical stamina.

Under our no-cost breeding agreement, each pup is home-raised by a selected family and returned to be bred at the appropriate time to one of ________'s champion studs. When the pups reach 7 weeks of age, the family delivers the litter to ________ and the "mom" is theirs to keep, free and clear. This practice insures that every pup is properly socialized in a home environment from the time they are born until they are placed with their new families.

Families who wish to participate in ________'s reciprocal arrangement must live within 90 minutes of ________, pass a screening interview and agree to the breeding arrangement. ________ provides the stud service, all veterinary care, some food supplies and any necessary medications. From time to time, conditions may allow some of these elite females to be available for $3000.


I'm not claiming that the kennel talked about above engages in that practice--I don't know them. It's possible that the kennel may be co-owners of some of the bitches they produce and that they breed their studs a lot. There are many different kinds of arrangements that can be made. But it is something to be aware of when you see a kennel which seems to have a large number of litters per year, many puppies to sell, and when the puppies seem to have been born in a lot of different places.

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