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Greetings again DT. After speaking with several breeders it has become apparent to me that a puppy is probably out of my price range. Realizing that you get what you pay for, I just can't justify that expense at this point in my life.

My question for the group is; are there any breeders that regularly have/refer people looking for young adult dogs? What about a working line that had a dog that couldn't pass portions of the training pipelines? Would those be any less expensive? As much as I'd miss the teething, house breaking, and basic obedience work, if I could pick up a 1-2 year old dog and save some money in the process I'd be very happy.

Again, I've been badly burned by rescuing from a shelter/rescue group twice in the past 5-6 years so I'm not looking to go that route, but I feel I'd have much better luck with a recognized breeder and a dog that hadn't been sold, returned, etc.

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One thing to keep in mind whether you buy a puppy from a good breeder, get a rescue adult or a young adult that didn't quite turn out for some reason, that this is an expensive breed not only to purchase but to have. Routine cardio testing can put a dent in the dog budget and in some cases wreck it and there is always the injury. Lots of energy and insatiable curiosity can result in an unexpected vet bill. Then there is the ongoing expense if dcm hits and given the odds of that happening are greater than it not happening. Probably the cheapest thing about a dobe is the purchase price.
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I have not found that young dogs from a good breeder cost any less than a puppy - there are people who will gladly pay a premium to not have to potty train a puppy and go through the other less fun puppy phases.
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A young adult with some training on them is quite possibly going to cost more than a baby puppy.


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My recommendation would be to start saving for the pup you want. I know it's hard to wait, but I also think that you understand that you do, often, get what you pay for. Can you carve out a section of your budget to put money away to create a puppy fund? And, as VZ recommended, can you then also leave that section in your budget as a sort of emergency fund? I've found Dobermans to be...expensive. It's not so much the food and "every day" types of expenses, but I personally won't own one without having pet insurance, for example. If you do some browsing on here, or on some Facebook Doberman groups...take a read through how often people have brought their dogs in for things like potential (or actual) obstructions, upset stomachs, all of those types of visits. My own dogs are pretty darn healthy, but we've had those types of visits for sure. And how often do they happen after hours? And require an emergency visit? Too often! Plus, I very much recommend running annual bloodwork (they call it a "senior panel" at my vet's office) to check liver and kidney function, screen for heartworm and tick borne diseases, etc....)...that runs several hundred dollars every year. Annual echo and holter every year starting at age 2-3...that can run, at the LOW end, a few hundred dollars, and that's if you have a club offering low cost echos. If not, you could easily be at $1k for that. I pay about $175 a month for pet insurance for both of my dogs.

That's not even starting to look at the cost of training classes, and you definitely need to have a Doberman in training...my classes are $150 for six weeks....

I'm not trying to be a downer, I'm just trying to be realistic about the cost of ownership. Do people do it cheaper? Sure. But I so often see people that run into issues because they were very surprised at the costs of dog "stuff."

As others have said, the purchase price of your pup (or adult, or...) is really only a very small part of the cost of owning dogs. I have a spreadsheet that adds up my costs every year, and...it can be a little shocking!

Edited to add - I know you've had a bad experience with rescue before, and I certainly understand that. There are a lot of bad rescues and shelters out there. However, there are also some very good ones, too. If you want to give us your general location, there might be some folks that could connect you with a good rescue. My suggestion there would not be necessarily to go right to the adoption route, but maybe consider fostering - that could give you some of the experience of having a Dobe in your life without the long term commitment. A good rescue would work with you to set parameters - no dogs with "issues" that you can't work with/live with, etc.

Best of luck to you.
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Again, I've been badly burned by rescuing from a shelter/rescue group twice in the past 5-6 years so I'm not looking to go that route, but I feel I'd have much better luck with a recognized breeder and a dog that hadn't been sold, returned, etc.

Thoughts?

Thanks in advance guys!
I don't know exactly what your experience I rescuing is but since you say "shelter/rescue group" I wonder if you are looking (or looked) in the right kind of organization for an older dog. I know of several really good Doberman specific rescues who investigate the dogs they take in, put them in reliable rescue fosters to she how they handle things like children of various ages, strangers, cats, other dogs in the same household so that when they release a rescue to a new "forever" home both sides of the equation know what they have.

The Dobe specific recues also tend to get the dogs not because they are someone else's PIA (which is what general rescues and shelters tend to get. They get dogs often because of the death of an owner leaving a perfectly good dog with no home.

If you haven't tried a Dobe specific rescue group--ask for the names and locations of some of those. I agree with Rosemary, Fitzmar and VZ-Dobermans that an older dog from a known reliable breeder is not really likely to cost you less in original purchase price for the same reasons you've touched on.

But seriously, you might want to wait to even think about getting a Doberman until you are financially more fitted for it. The expenses in owning the breed are endless--even for housing--hope you own your own home because a whole lot of places that rent or lease or have home owner associations with strict regulation simply won't consider you if your dog is a Doberman.

But good luck--I know I wouldn't trade all the years I lived on a shoestring budget and lived in slum areas but owned and showed Dobermans so I understand your desire for the breed to be in your life.

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I purchased my Doberman Adele when she was almost 1.5 years old from her breeder, she was growing her out to see if she wanted to show her and she was slow to mature, and she was a busy dog that wanted more work then she was getting at her breeder's house.

She was the same price as getting a puppy from her breeder. I wasn't looking for a show dog, but I was looking for an adult female Doberman with health tested parents that was good with other dogs and kids, so I was pretty flexible on every other parameter (exact age, color, cost, distance, co-ownership, etc.). I co-own Adele with her breeder, who did end up wanting to show her in Canada so I've spent the last year almost doing regular trips to get Adele to her breeder for shows. I'm actually driving 4 hours roundtrip tonight to get her from her last show, although she did finish her Canadian championship so this might be the last trip for shows! This will allow me to compete with Adele more in nosework and start agility with her, as its been difficult to managing scheduling of those things while she was going to Canada for a week every month or so for shows. This has been my experience with getting an young adult from a reputable breeder, which has been a great experience for me, but cost definitely has not any lower.

You could possibly get an older retired show dog for less, there is a group on facebook for rehoming retired show dogs for a nominal fee, I believe its the price for the spay/neuter, but I haven't seen any Dobermans in that group. You would still have to do your research on whether it was a reputable breeder and the group is for the entire US (any maybe Canada) so distance could be a factor.
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All, thank you for the advice. I should have clarified. It's simply the principle of spending almost $3k on a dog... not my ability to do so that's causing me to pause. It seems from what I'm reading though that I just need to come to grips with the fact that you do have to pay for quality and I'm willing to do so. The puppy search continues. Thank you! Looking forward to reporting when I've brought the little fella home.
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You do have to do your research and know what to look for though.

Don't get taken in by breeders who seem to be charging way out of line amounts because their dogs are "special" A super high price doesn't necessarily mean you're getting a super wonderful dog.

I think you should be able to find a well-bred dog for somewhere between 2 and 3 thousand dollars. If the price is much higher than that, you need to ask the breeder what justifies that price and then you need to research to make sure you're not being fed a line by an unscrupulous seller.
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All, thank you for the advice. I should have clarified. It's simply the principle of spending almost $3k on a dog... not my ability to do so that's causing me to pause. It seems from what I'm reading though that I just need to come to grips with the fact that you do have to pay for quality and I'm willing to do so. The puppy search continues. Thank you! Looking forward to reporting when I've brought the little fella home.
I can understand that. I struggled with the same hurdle initially- prior to my boy the most I've spent on any dog was $50. Even rescue dogs from the shelter were too expensive to my folks and in complete honesty most of our dogs were free or roughly $20. You should have seen my parents' expressions when I told them how much Creed cost

Case in point- my parents' current dog was free, my grandmother's dog was a $5 donation to the people who found him wandering the countryside, all my aunts' and uncles' hunting dogs were $50-100 depending on exactly which dog... so any time I'm truthful when they ask me how much my dog cost their response is "you paid HOW MUCH for that dog???"

But... on the other hand... Creed is the best dog I've ever had, was the easiest puppy, certainly the healthiest, I can trust him with just about anything, and he's exactly the dog I was looking for. Not to mention- I love his breeder and she's like a family member to me at this point! So in hindsight, while the price tag may have been somewhat intimidating at first, with all I got out of it and continue to get out of it, the higher price was certainly worth it in the long run.

I've done the free/cheap doberman thing before. Let's just say, it didn't go well. I'll stick with the $2-3k dogs from now on.


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All, thank you for the advice. I should have clarified. It's simply the principle of spending almost $3k on a dog... not my ability to do so that's causing me to pause. It seems from what I'm reading though that I just need to come to grips with the fact that you do have to pay for quality and I'm willing to do so. The puppy search continues. Thank you! Looking forward to reporting when I've brought the little fella home.
A well bred doberman just costs that much. Honestly staying under $3000 is now on the lower end (at least around here, I only know one breeder who charges under $3k). There is a lot that goes in to producing well bred puppies and the price reflects that. Good luck on your search.
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I don't know where you're located but looking at Canadian breeders could possibly save you some money at least on the exchange rate. And older puppies (but not trained adults) do tend to be rehomed for a lower fee than what they would sell a puppy for or a ready trained adult for. Of course this is case by case and I am mostly thinking of dogs that were returned to the breeder through no fault of their own, rather than a dog the breeder kept and grew out or trained etc.

For example right now in this province breeders are asking from 2500$ CAD to 3500$ CAD depending on show/breeding prospect or not, and whether the dog will be cropped or not (given that breeders outside Ontario now have to travel to get the ears done). That would translate in USD to anywhere from +/- 1900$ USD to 2650$ USD. Of course you have to factor in travel expenses.

Also for what it is worth, I do know of a smaller (24 inches) well bred, 16 month old female that the breeder is seriously considering rehoming (to the right home) as she has a litter on the way and she herself is not getting any younger and isn't sure if she'd have the energy. The dobie girl in question earned her first leg in CKC Rally, is halfway to her UKC Championship and is pointed for her Canadian Championship. Not sure how much she would ask - I don't think she's got a fixed price on her but again even if I can guarantee the price will be lower than 3000$ USD, it depends on where you're located when making up for the difference with traveling and so on...
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there are people who will gladly pay a premium to not have to potty train a puppy and go through the other less fun puppy phases.

Your kidding Fitz ? That is the best part ! That is were world famous puppy stories come from ! What would we have to talk about ? The bites , pooping under the table , peeing on the end of the couch , stealing the towels , stealing pillows , stealing my gloves 🧤 .

Why have a dog then ? It’s the best part , lol we have had quite a few Dobermans over our married life and still today , something will jog our memory and will say , remember when Kasia , or Ali or Mr. B or Chi , or Dobie did this or that ? At the time , it may have not been funny , but today , it brings tears of laughter .

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Finding a purebred Dobe from a rescue has to be a rare find. That is just happened to us a few years ago. Our old lab had died at 15 years old. As it is for many, we vowed not to have a dog to avoid that kind of pain again. Six months later the local Pet Smart was having an adoptathon and we decided to look. There was a beautiful male Dobe, about 3 years old with natural ears and still intact. Nobody was interested in him because they were looking for small dogs or just didn't like Dobes. It was the last day of the adoptathon. I had no Dobe experience and had no thoughts about Dobes except negative images. He was calm as could be in this swirling malstrom of activity. We walked him around on a leash and looked at cats, as we had a cat at home. He was calm and friendly. We were told that his owner had died and he had to be re-homed. As part of the adoption he had to be neutered. We took him home and he immediately became our cat's good buddy. He was a fantastic companion and made us into Doberman fans. I know the odds are against this kind adoption but don't give up hope.
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