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Hi everyone. A friend asked me to make a post on her behalf since this site doesn't seem to work on any of her devices.

My friend is looking to get a doberman to train up as a service dog for her PTSD and some of the other breeds recommended to her wouldn't work for one reason or another. I've been helping her out with research but my experience is more with training and general knowledge rather than specific breeds. What she's looking for is a dog that is calm and aware of her and her mental/emotional state but isn't fearful or reactive. She likes the look of the Euro lines (and in this case looks are important due to the nature of her PTSD) but isn't married to the idea provided a dog from American lines has the same/similar features. She also wants a dog that is neither cropped nor docked, especially now that Alberta's ban on things like declawing, cropping, docking, etc. where they aren't medically necessary has gone into effect.

She lives in Alberta, Canada, and would prefer to get a dog from that province, but BC is another option. I couldn't find any rescues that operated specifically in Alberta. Finding a breeder has proven somewhat difficult since not all of them have websites or even social media. She has contacted Di' Limbazi Dobermanns and is waiting to hear back.

So any help or words of wisdom would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Hi everyone. A friend asked me to make a post on her behalf since this site doesn't seem to work on any of her devices.

My friend is looking to get a doberman to train up as a service dog for her PTSD and some of the other breeds recommended to her wouldn't work for one reason or another. I've been helping her out with research but my experience is more with training and general knowledge rather than specific breeds. What she's looking for is a dog that is calm and aware of her and her mental/emotional state but isn't fearful or reactive. She likes the look of the Euro lines (and in this case looks are important due to the nature of her PTSD) but isn't married to the idea provided a dog from American lines has the same/similar features. She also wants a dog that is neither cropped nor docked, especially now that Alberta's ban on things like declawing, cropping, docking, etc. where they aren't medically necessary has gone into effect.

She lives in Alberta, Canada, and would prefer to get a dog from that province, but BC is another option. I couldn't find any rescues that operated specifically in Alberta. Finding a breeder has proven somewhat difficult since not all of them have websites or even social media. She has contacted Di' Limbazi Dobermanns and is waiting to hear back.

So any help or words of wisdom would be appreciated. Thanks!
Well, I was going to suggest Gatehose in Ontario--that's Maura Reilly. She breeds very nice Dobes--background breeding is fairly heavily Goldgrove (Sharon Phlaeger in North Carolina. But then I see she's looking for uncropped and undocked and preferably European.

I'm always inclined to want to know what Euro Dobes she's seen that se likes the look of and see pictures of them. So often when I have asked it turns out to be showline Euro and they are show picture where the dogs are shown hog fat.

The Euro standard is really not terribly different from the AKC or CKC standards--but the manner in which Euro dogs is VERY different and that and the weight really makes them look like two different breeds of dogs.

Also she should know that most of the better Canadian breeders who show their dogs take the puppies to the US to be cropped and docked. And I know a few Canadian breeders who send their pregnant bitches to US breeders to whelp so that they can be docked at 2 or 3 days and then cropped in the US at 8 weeks.

By the way, unless Alberta's ban on declaw, debark, docking and cropping is very different than some of the eastern provinces and BC it only means that dogs/cats can not be docked, cropped, declawed or debarked in the Province of Alberta but can be owned there with no such restriction.

But I wish her good luck in her search.

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Your friend is really swimming against the current trying to find what she's looking for. The only breeders that would let a puppy go all natural would be a very select few working breeders, and working breeders generally don't breed dogs that have the 'Euro look' your friend probably wants. I'm very confused by this
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While Canada allows for natural ears in their doberman standard (the US does not at all) most reputable "show" breeders believe this is a cropped and docked breed and the dogs they produce should reflect that standard. Good luck!
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I would just really encourage your friend to seek out breeders that have produced service dogs before and have a good track record there, and to prioritize that more than having a Euro dog, or location. The number of dogs truly suited to service work is fairly small, so finding breeders that produce those dogs would, to me, trump both location and looks, while still prioritizing health.

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Hi everyone. A friend asked me to make a post on her behalf since this site doesn't seem to work on any of her devices.

My friend is looking to get a doberman to train up as a service dog for her PTSD and some of the other breeds recommended to her wouldn't work for one reason or another. I've been helping her out with research but my experience is more with training and general knowledge rather than specific breeds. What she's looking for is a dog that is calm and aware of her and her mental/emotional state but isn't fearful or reactive. She likes the look of the Euro lines (and in this case looks are important due to the nature of her PTSD) but isn't married to the idea provided a dog from American lines has the same/similar features. She also wants a dog that is neither cropped nor docked, especially now that Alberta's ban on things like declawing, cropping, docking, etc. where they aren't medically necessary has gone into effect.

She lives in Alberta, Canada, and would prefer to get a dog from that province, but BC is another option. I couldn't find any rescues that operated specifically in Alberta. Finding a breeder has proven somewhat difficult since not all of them have websites or even social media. She has contacted Di' Limbazi Dobermanns and is waiting to hear back.

So any help or words of wisdom would be appreciated. Thanks!
Couple of thoughts. I'm Saskdobie (mostly because dobies4ever was already taken) because I'm in the middle of Saskatchewan. What kind of time frame is your friend willing to consider? If she wants a puppy as soon as possible, WhitCam Dobermans is located just outside Brandon, Manitoba Litters | Whitcam Dobermans. Lynn White is still an active breeder (I had just contacted her a few months ago and she was going to have a litter this spring). However I don't know if there's anything European in her lines, other peeps here could probably comment more knowledgeably.

I do know a couple of experienced breeders in Edmonton who just acquired a European puppy that they're planning on breeding in about a year. Definitely NOT puppy mill people. One of them currently owns a male service dog although I'm not sure if they're planning on using him as the sire. You could contact [email protected]. I do know they already have several interested people waitlisted.

Otherwise your friend should really contact the Alberta Doberman Pinscher Club https://adpc.ca/ or the BC Doberman Pinscher Club https://www.bcdpc.ca/index.html, that would probably be the easiest way to find out who might have European stock nearby that will be having litters soon.
The next link lists events in Western Canada where she could meet and talk to breeders in Western Canada: https://www.canuckdogs.com/index.php...7-8ac0277f09ae

Euroline Dobermans out of BC posts a lot of litters on kijiji.ca but she may want to do some serious online research (call references, check pedigrees, etc.) before considering one of their puppies.

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Euroline Dobermans out of BC posts a lot of litters on kijiji.ca but she may want to do some serious online research (call references, check pedigrees, etc.) before considering one of their puppies.
I sincerely hope this is not the breeder you are recommending???

http://www.eurolinedoberman.com/breeding-dogs/

When a breeder posts under "health issues"...."we've never had any health issues" with their dog, and doesn't list ANY health testing, please, please for anyone reading along...this is NOT a good representation of the types of breeders we'd recommend here on DT!

In fact, this website is a very good representation of what I would personally avoid - a breeder that simply says their dogs have "good temperaments", they've "never had health issues", and are doing no titling, no health testing, and having no outside evaluations of any kind.

There's absolutely nothing that makes me think this breeder would in any way meet the OP's needs.


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I sincerely hope this is not the breeder you are recommending???

http://www.eurolinedoberman.com/breeding-dogs/

When a breeder posts under "health issues"...."we've never had any health issues" with their dog, and doesn't list ANY health testing, please, please for anyone reading along...this is NOT a good representation of the types of breeders we'd recommend here on DT!

In fact, this website is a very good representation of what I would personally avoid - a breeder that simply says their dogs have "good temperaments", they've "never had health issues", and are doing no titling, no health testing, and having no outside evaluations of any kind.

There's absolutely nothing that makes me think this breeder would in any way meet the OP's needs.
That's why I was saying she probably wanted to avoid that breeder. Having perused it, there's several red flags, starting with the lack of CKC registration (meaning you can't look up the puppy's pedigree) and the kennel's lack of membership in the BCDPC. Also the guarantee of dogs to the age of 2 years old is pretty misleading, DCM is far more likely to be diagnosed at a later age. Superficially the add looks legit but with the lack of registration and dam/sire health testing info you're looking at a pretty pricey pet of unknown quality.

There's a posting on kijiji.ca for a litter in Lac St. Anne County in Alberta that also looks pretty shady, also starting with the lack of CKC registration, the comment about cropping/docking being unnecessary aesthetic procedures, and the suggestion that dobermans can live to be around 15. They can, but it's pretty rare. And again no health testing for the dam/sire listed.

Also having done a quick search of litters in Alberta, the Rye the Doberman Guy posting also looks sketchy. The puppies are listed as CKC registered but no health testing for the dam/sire is provided and most of the post is a copy/paste of a very general description of the breed from the ADPC website. For the price tag he's asking he could have just provided a link to a description of the breed and then posted the dam/sire registration names and health testing done.
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Please don't give out bad recommendations or mention a breeder if you're not sure! We try to only post names of great breeders who title and health test or give some guidelines on how to find these breeders. Your suggestion to go through a local doberman club is a great one, though, so would be going to some local shows.
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What GK said...I didn't get the sense at all that you were saying to stay away, and why even mention them if they aren't a quality breeder? Stick to recommending good breeders that are worth pointing people towards and simply avoid giving press to the bad ones (like the others that you mentioned in the new post).

I personally wouldn't be browsing kijiji at all...why even look there? It's not a place to find quality breeders. There are so many resources we have shared here on DT over and over again for helping people find ethical breeders, there's no need to muddy the waters. Very occasionally good breeders will place an ad there to help try and educate people, but it's very, very rare. That's certainly not a source anyone should be looking to in order to find a good puppy.


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What GK said...I didn't get the sense at all that you were saying to stay away, and why even mention them if they aren't a quality breeder? Stick to recommending good breeders that are worth pointing people towards and simply avoid giving press to the bad ones (like the others that you mentioned in the new post).

I personally wouldn't be browsing kijiji at all...why even look there? It's not a place to find quality breeders. There are so many resources we have shared here on DT over and over again for helping people find ethical breeders, there's no need to muddy the waters. Very occasionally good breeders will place an ad there to help try and educate people, but it's very, very rare. That's certainly not a source anyone should be looking to in order to find a good puppy.
I was being realistic. The original poster said her friend wanted a service dog to help with her PTSD. Which means her friend may not want to wait a year until a reputable breeder has a European puppy available, then wait another year while the puppy is being trained until it can help her. People who want puppies fast head to kijiji. So my last post wasn't advertising for kijiji, it was giving her advice on why those posters in her area may look reputable but have warning flags. A lot of those posts are designed to scan as legit and until you've done some research, you may not recognize warning flags e.g. when a breeder advertises a fawn doberman as an isabella and charges more. Or ever so carefully claims that the breed can live to be 15 years old, implying that her puppies could live that long.

The BC website has two excellent resources: the "Choosing a breeder/FAQs" page and the "Doberman Standard and Health" page. A lot of those breeders would probably be in regular contact with one another and could recommend legitimate breeders with pending litters and their contact info is on those websites. That's how we got our second doberman, my aunt was a breeder involved with the ADPC, her next litter was already spoken for but she knew of another breeder who had puppies in Calgary. I would recommend that breeder but that was in 2006 and the breeder returned to Newfoundland ~ 2008. Her friend probably wants an intelligent, good tempered animal that can be trained quickly and with good longevity because the training is pretty intensive and highly customized to the owner (based on an interview on service dogs for PTSD).
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I was being realistic. The original poster said her friend wanted a service dog to help with her PTSD. Which means her friend may not want to wait a year until a reputable breeder has a European puppy available, then wait another year while the puppy is being trained until it can help her. People who want puppies fast head to kijiji. So my last post wasn't advertising for kijiji, it was giving her advice on why those posters in her area may look reputable but have warning flags. A lot of those posts are designed to scan as legit and until you've done some research, you may not recognize warning flags e.g. when a breeder advertises a fawn doberman as an isabella and charges more. Or ever so carefully claims that the breed can live to be 15 years old, implying that her puppies could live that long.

The BC website has two excellent resources: the "Choosing a breeder/FAQs" page and the "Doberman Standard and Health" page. A lot of those breeders would probably be in regular contact with one another and could recommend legitimate breeders with pending litters and their contact info is on those websites. That's how we got our second doberman, my aunt was a breeder involved with the ADPC, her next litter was already spoken for but she knew of another breeder who had puppies in Calgary. I would recommend that breeder but that was in 2006 and the breeder returned to Newfoundland ~ 2008. Her friend probably wants an intelligent, good tempered animal that can be trained quickly and with good longevity because the training is pretty intensive and highly customized to the owner (based on an interview on service dogs for PTSD).
I am legitimately extremely confused by your post. I guess I'm going to just...mostly ignore it, since I can't even parse out what you mean.

I'm going to assume that someone looking for a service dog prospect is not so much in a hurry that they don't look for a quality dog. I'm also going to assume that the person helping them can (hopefully) help them sort out quality recommendations from...the confusing, less than helpful recommendation.

OP, I think you have some good resources to help you help your friend. I wish you really good luck. We do have some service dog users on the forum, and I also have some friends with service Dobermans (one, in fact, has one from Gatehouse, which was mentioned in-thread). I hope you can sort out what the important priorities are to help your friend find a dog that will serve her well.


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One final useful link: The Doberman Pinscher Club of Canada has a listing of current Canadian breeders by province: https://dpcc.ca/xbreeder-directory/

If you mouse over the breeders, you'll see as Meadowcat stated earlier that Glengate Dobermans is the only one listed in Canada that specifically states producing service dogs: https://gatehousedobermans.com/

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I do know a couple of experienced breeders in Edmonton who just acquired a European puppy that they're planning on breeding in about a year. Definitely NOT puppy mill people. One of them currently owns a male service dog although I'm not sure if they're planning on using him as the sire. You could contact [email protected]. I do know they already have several interested people waitlisted.
The co-breeder I referenced here is Patricia Poohkay of Alevique/Courtney Dobermans. The sire is planned to be Am/Can/Dom. CH. Aguilo Call to Arms: Dobequestog Profile Page And I believe he's a therapy dog rather than a service dog. Pat is located in Edmonton.
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If you mouse over the breeders, you'll see as Meadowcat stated earlier that Glengate Dobermans is the only one listed in Canada that specifically states producing service dogs: https://gatehousedobermans.com/
You've got 2 breeders mixed up together here. You've mentioned Glengate (which is me). While we did produce one dog who was a certified therapy dog (she visited hospices and homes, etc with her owner who is a pastor), we have never produced a certified service dog. But then you gave the url for Gatehouse, which is a different breeder and I assume the correct one you meant to reference. Just trying to clarify.

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You've got 2 breeders mixed up together here. You've mentioned Glengate (which is me). While we did produce one dog who was a certified therapy dog (she visited hospices and homes, etc with her owner who is a pastor), we have never produced a certified service dog. But then you gave the url for Gatehouse, which is a different breeder and I assume the correct one you meant to reference. Just trying to clarify.
It was late when I typed this, you're absolutely right, I meant to type Gatehouse as per the website linked. I would go back and edit but the website doesn't give me the option at this point. Thanks for the correction, MaryAndDobes.
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Di Limbazi is the only breeder of european dobermanns I am aware of in Alberta, that also health tests. I cannot speak as to their temperament.
I also doubt that they will go all-natural.

I lucked out with a service dog from a local breeder and as it later turned out her damside traced back to lines that produced multiple therapy-certified dogs. Heartwood Dobermans who are on the US west coast are expecting a litter. Not european, and they are american so chances are the dogs will leave cropped and docked. They have also produced at least one SAR certified dogs. Who is the brother of my girl's granddam.

There is also Vom Koby Haus - these are european dobermans but several are certified therapy dogs. However they come from strong working lines so it can be a lot to handle. One Therapy certified stud was bred in May to a european import bitch with a BH who is not in the "hard, intense" working drive category but more from show lines who work. A bit like the Heartwood dogs. X-rays were done yesterday, she's expecting minimum 8 possibly 9 puppies though given how smushed the puppies are I counted up to 10 and some people saw 11.
She is located in Quebec however. She is flexible about ears but not about tails.
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But actually... speaking from experience as a doberman SD handler, I do believe there is a benefit to them being cropped and docked, especially for psychiatric work. I debated on this before I got mine - should I go with cropped ears or natural ears? (always preferred docked tails though). I thought that the softer looking drop-ears would be more acceptable to the public visually. But guess what? After 4 years of owning and handling her and being in the SD community I realised two things:
1 - you'd think the general public knows how to read patches on harnesses, or has basic education about SDs and how to interact with them (don't look at them, don't touch them, don't try to distract them) but they don't. People are rude and disrespectful and will tamper with what is essentially a very expensive, vital and sentient piece of medical equipement and shamelessly so, just because it's a cute doggy. Some people will even get entitled and throw a tantrum if you intervene and tell them not to.
2 - No one ever messes with my SD because she is a doberman with cropped ears. As someone with PTSD and anxiety as well as low tolerance for the pressure experienced from people crowding me and being in my bubble, I need space. In fact even when she off duty and not wearing her harness, I've never had anyone attempt to touch her without permission, or had a parent let their kid approach/touch her without permission. I feel really bad for the handler-SD teams who are constantly harassed and distracted by inexperienced people but I've only had one person ever try to touch her on duty, and that was a little girl who didn't know any better (and seemed to understand when I explained).
3 - people give me SPACE when I am with my cropped and dock doberman on duty. I occasionally will have people come up and ask if they can touch her but they are always tremendously respectful about it, and they enter our space with respect. Nor do they kick up a fuss when I tell them no.

Just something to seriously consider for your friend regarding the owning and handling of an SD. If she is worried about the laws, it's not illegal to own a C/D dog in Alberta. It's just that the AVMB voted that vets can no longer crop, dock or remove dewclaws, and any vet caught doing so can lose their license. But there's no legal ramifications to that.
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Di Limbazi is the only breeder of european dobermanns I am aware of in Alberta, that also health tests. I cannot speak as to their temperament.
I also doubt that they will go all-natural.

I lucked out with a service dog from a local breeder and as it later turned out her damside traced back to lines that produced multiple therapy-certified dogs. Heartwood Dobermans who are on the US west coast are expecting a litter. Not european, and they are american so chances are the dogs will leave cropped and docked. They have also produced at least one SAR certified dogs. Who is the brother of my girl's granddam.

There is also Vom Koby Haus - these are european dobermans but several are certified therapy dogs. However they come from strong working lines so it can be a lot to handle. One Therapy certified stud was bred in May to a european import bitch with a BH who is not in the "hard, intense" working drive category but more from show lines who work. A bit like the Heartwood dogs. X-rays were done yesterday, she's expecting minimum 8 possibly 9 puppies though given how smushed the puppies are I counted up to 10 and some people saw 11.
She is located in Quebec however. She is flexible about ears but not about tails.
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But actually... speaking from experience as a doberman SD handler, I do believe there is a benefit to them being cropped and docked, especially for psychiatric work. I debated on this before I got mine - should I go with cropped ears or natural ears? (always preferred docked tails though). I thought that the softer looking drop-ears would be more acceptable to the public visually. But guess what? After 4 years of owning and handling her and being in the SD community I realised two things:
1 - you'd think the general public knows how to read patches on harnesses, or has basic education about SDs and how to interact with them (don't look at them, don't touch them, don't try to distract them) but they don't. People are rude and disrespectful and will tamper with what is essentially a very expensive, vital and sentient piece of medical equipement and shamelessly so, just because it's a cute doggy. Some people will even get entitled and throw a tantrum if you intervene and tell them not to.
2 - No one ever messes with my SD because she is a doberman with cropped ears. As someone with PTSD and anxiety as well as low tolerance for the pressure experienced from people crowding me and being in my bubble, I need space. In fact even when she off duty and not wearing her harness, I've never had anyone attempt to touch her without permission, or had a parent let their kid approach/touch her without permission. I feel really bad for the handler-SD teams who are constantly harassed and distracted by inexperienced people but I've only had one person ever try to touch her on duty, and that was a little girl who didn't know any better (and seemed to understand when I explained).
3 - people give me SPACE when I am with my cropped and dock doberman on duty. I occasionally will have people come up and ask if they can touch her but they are always tremendously respectful about it, and they enter our space with respect. Nor do they kick up a fuss when I tell them no.

Just something to seriously consider for your friend regarding the owning and handling of an SD. If she is worried about the laws, it's not illegal to own a C/D dog in Alberta. It's just that the AVMB voted that vets can no longer crop, dock or remove dewclaws, and any vet caught doing so can lose their license. But there's no legal ramifications to that.
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Just read your post--what a great explanation and reason for being happy with a cropped and docked dog for a service dog. I absolutely agree with you--even though various of my dogs have acted as service dogs (it's been years since I could get myself back on my feet if I wasn't close to something immovable and I had fallen. Fortunately even the smallest of my male Dobes have acted as that immovable objust from the time they were around 6 months old.

Also, I'd absolutely recommend a Heartwood dog from Juanita for anything you wanted to train them for. I've known Juanita and her dogs since the late 1990's and sine a lot of her breeding used various of Michelle Santana dogs (and I've owned Foxfire dogs since 1998)--she is an excellent breeder, shows her dogs and trains them for a variety of things and has excellent temperament.

I start out with all Dobermans intended to be conformation show dogs and after they are out of the conformation ring they train and show in Obedience, Rally, Agility--I train tracking but don't title them in it and all my Dobes are cropped and docked and all end up de facto service dogs--at least as far as they can get me up off the ground by standing as immovable objects.

I hope that the OP who started this thread for a friend shows your post and mine to her friend. I think that the AKC showline dogs are often sold very short when it comes to their ability to perform as service, assistance and therapy dogs.

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The only caveat I've seen about a doberman which is cropped/docked (which would make its breed easily recognizable by the general public) as a service dog is using one if your problem may cause you to lose consciousness and need someone to help you recover. The theory goes that some folks might be reluctant to approach you if you are semi-conscious or out of it, and have a doberman by your side.

Not having used a dog as a medical alert dog, I don't know if that would be a concern in practice, but I could see where it could be true???

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Artemis,

Just read your post--what a great explanation and reason for being happy with a cropped and docked dog for a service dog. I absolutely agree with you--even though various of my dogs have acted as service dogs (it's been years since I could get myself back on my feet if I wasn't close to something immovable and I had fallen. Fortunately even the smallest of my male Dobes have acted as that immovable objust from the time they were around 6 months old.

Also, I'd absolutely recommend a Heartwood dog from Juanita for anything you wanted to train them for. I've known Juanita and her dogs since the late 1990's and sine a lot of her breeding used various of Michelle Santana dogs (and I've owned Foxfire dogs since 1998)--she is an excellent breeder, shows her dogs and trains them for a variety of things and has excellent temperament.

I start out with all Dobermans intended to be conformation show dogs and after they are out of the conformation ring they train and show in Obedience, Rally, Agility--I train tracking but don't title them in it and all my Dobes are cropped and docked and all end up de facto service dogs--at least as far as they can get me up off the ground by standing as immovable objects.

I hope that the OP who started this thread for a friend shows your post and mine to her friend. I think that the AKC showline dogs are often sold very short when it comes to their ability to perform as service, assistance and therapy dogs.

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Agree on all counts, I would also like to add that Juanita was so helpful, forthcoming and informative when I reached out to her last december to ask her questions about the dogs in Nadia's pedigree or related to them in terms of causes of death, age at time of death, temperament and so on. And she was thrilled to hear that I was enjoying a granddaughter from a bitch she bred. Really wonderful lady.

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The only caveat I've seen about a doberman which is cropped/docked (which would make its breed easily recognizable by the general public) as a service dog is using one if your problem may cause you to lose consciousness and need someone to help you recover. The theory goes that some folks might be reluctant to approach you if you are semi-conscious or out of it, and have a doberman by your side.

Not having used a dog as a medical alert dog, I don't know if that would be a concern in practice, but I could see where it could be true???
This is true, I think extra care should be taken for the dog's training if the dog is meant to be a medical alert dog. Perhaps the dog could be taught to down and point/mark at the handle to indicate to passer bys that the handler is in need of help? And most importantly, with a doberman, the dog should be taught that it is ok for a stranger to approach the handler while incapacitated.

But that also leads me to an another topic that I realised last year when Nadia was on duty at Saratoga Racecourse. an EMT came over and asked some questions - he said that emergency personnel don't get any training on how to handle/deal with SDs and what to do with them in the case of an emergency. It would pertinent to keep that in mind when training any SD, and it would also be pertinent perhaps to write to the ADA, or have some sort of card/checklist on oneself with instructions to emergency responders on what to do with the dog.
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