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Hello all, my wife and I have just purchased are first home and with that we are also looking for our first dobe. I have been obsessed with the breed since I was a child and am excited to finally add one to the family. I am looking for one particularly bred for intelligence, trainability, loyalty and protection of the home. I am in law enforcement and my wife is a nurse so we work odd hours, I want my dobe to be the defender of house but also have a good temperament and receptive to training. Any advice or recommendation would be greatly appreciated. I am constantly researching and chasing leads but not having any luck. Thank you in advance.
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What you are looking for is very attainable . You are describing my almost 5 yo dog to a tee.

On a leash under my control, he is the sweetest most socialized Dobe I have ever owned.
He loves human interaction.

Come to my house and knock on the door, ring the bell or just stand there and you would swear that there was a Hell Hound on the other side of the door. He even protects our house from a sound sleep.

He has twice been a deterrent to break-ins. Once, helping me hold the tweaker until the police could come and take him away.

My wife walks with him frequently. She always feels safe. Not because of any protection training. It's simply his presence. As nice as he is, he is hard to read for most people and comes across as a large scary dog. On a leash or in the trucks, he never barks or growls. He just sits there and stares... LOL

Here is the Breeder of our last 3 boys: Foxfire Dobermans - Breeder-Owner of AKC Top Producing Doberman Pinschers

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Have you looked on the DPCA breeders list yet? That would be the best place to start. Just remember that most breeders are hobby breeders and have full time jobs and go to shows on the weekend - they don't breed very often. I recommend that people email breeders with an introduction letter - kind of like a doggy resume. A bit about yourself, your family, your home, dog experience, why you want a Doberman, your plans for your Doberman, what you are looking for, etc.... You are much more likely to get a response if you give a lot of information up front. I can tell you from experience that emails (or calls) where you just ask if they have puppies and how much they cost get tossed in the trash. Good breeders are selective. It is best not to ask "how much" until farther down the road. I can tell you that a well bred pet puppy on a limited registration from a show breeder (will be cropped and docked) will cost between $2500-$3000 at this time.
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For me it sounds like you might want more of a working dog. Swift Run, out of KY, has great working dogs that do human remains searches, IPO and other things as well. Masaya (I think she lives in WI, or MN now? I forget) has some great working dogs so does Landgraf out of CA. Wendy's dogs can be... a lot, from what I heard but they are Badd a$$es on the field for bite work, harder dogs than most dobes that you see. Savannah Langdon with Benchmark has some nice working dogs as well, IDK where she lives, IN maybe? The united Doberman club website is also a great place to look, they have a breeders directory. It's my opinion that these dogs aren't as easy on the eyes as the show dogs, but still nice looking dogs. These are much harder dobes than most.

If you're not sure you want to go that route Doug Matson has a good mix of working and show, has some great dogs in Kansas, they might be having a litter soon or maybe just had one, I can't remember. My male here in Colorado is about to have a litter with a female due July 4, which is looking pretty darn big if the looks of momma has anything to do with it lol. Brandy Billington has a good mix I can't remember her new kennel name though use to be Von Seighrum. Makayla Christiansen in Washington, is Eclipse Dobermans and she has a nice mix.


If you're thinking you want more of a pet then I know Foxfire has had an IPO dog and so has my female's breeder Sharjet. You can also look up breeders on the dpca website as suggested. The problem is most dobes will run and bark and protect your house but never lay a bite. Take them out of the home and a bad guy comes out and they run behind their owner, which is why most dobes can't pass the WAE.

Most pet owners don't want the WORK it takes to own the working dogs that I mentioned in the first paragraph, they need tons of training, exercise.... they NEED and CRAVE stimulation. The dogs in the 2nd paragraph do as well but not to that extent. The dogs in the 3rd paragraph generally, but not always, demand less work, exercise and stimulation (note that all dobes need more work/stimulation than most other breeds but some need more than others). We can't say what type of Doberman you're necessarily wanting but good luck in your search.
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Ashtrick dobermans, although I don't think Ashley is planning to breed soon. She's a good person to talk to and could give you some leads. Go on the DPCA referral as Fitzmar suggested and attend some local all breed dog shows and talk to dobe people. That's really your best bet.
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I've had Dobes for many years--since 1959 and all of mine have come from AKC showline breeders. All of them I have owned since the WAE (temperament evaluation) was developed have passed it--they weren't hiding behind me.

One thing I'd like to point out is that Dobes were originally developed as a protecter of persons--they were not intended as estate or home guards. Given that information--it makes sense that they serve as a detriment in part because they do look large and scarey--and actually some are and some aren't.

The posts before mine have given you excellent information about where to find good breeders and how to approach them.

Frankly I probably wouldn't want to have a Dobe from working lines--some are much too intense and require a lot more time and effort in training than I'm likely to want to get into even though my conformation (show) dogs all go on to earn performance titles after they have finished their show career.

Most of my Dobes have been very like 4x4 John's 5 year old male (which kind of figures) since his dog is the grandson of my very old (and probably last) Doberman.

But you can get all kinds of variations in protectiveness and how it works with a specific Doberman and owner. There is one story that has been making the rounds for years but I think I know the guy it actually happened to. He and his wife had a nice Doberman bitch--she was their pet--untrained for anything other than general good house and on leash behavior. One day the owner came home early in the afternoon to find his bitch holding a man in a corner of the living room. Turned out the guy was a gas company employee at the wrong address--something he didn't find out until he'd walked in the unlocked back door and was met by the Doberman. She seemed OK with him being there so he looked at the gas connection (to the stove)which seemed to have nothing wrong--he was writing it up when the Doberman came back--he started for the front door thinking it would closer to his truck. She went along with him--when they got to the living room she barked at him--he looked at her and she was wearing a not pleasant looking snarl. He tried slinking along a wall but she wouldn't let him any closer to the front door than a corner opposite it. So for almost 2 hours he was stuck in the corner with a Dobe bitch clearly on guard. She let him in but she wasn't about to let him out until her owner had a good look at him.

Protection comes in a lot forms but just the looks of a Doberman are a big detriment.

Good luck on your search.

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I am Michael Deyah'na, conceiver of the New Dey Eye-Opener program called "SONGBIRD." Over the past 44 years as a Dobermann Pinscher fancier and breeder, I have agreed to buy specimens and agreed to sell specimens only a very few times. Having the knowledge I have, I simply resolved never to spend my valuable time trading punches with non-friend George Foreman-like bullies who are reputably known for seeking to maneuver people into owning for themselves good-for-nothing "pets" that they just need to "get rid of" from their own collections. Thus, any of you who receive a puppy from ME out of a litter that I decide to breed can always rest assured that you are getting a puppy that is significantly good for, at least, SOMETHING. It will have either a high degree of modern combat work capabilities... or it will have a high degree of modernly correct structure fundamentals for show... or it will have a clearness of the vWd, dcm and thyroid diseases commonly found in these sales... or it will move better than other Dobes do. About the start of Autumn, my program of breeding New Dey Eye-Openers - SONGBIRDS - will feature, after two decades of my absence, a litter of foreign-blooded puppies for an initial "set-up" by me. And there is a very real possibility that I will be dealing out to people in touch some of the most valuable Dobes on earth!! By the way, I speak of an Italian/Serbian blending of a better-than-usual European pair selected by myself.

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Uh... Can someone please translate this for me?!?!?

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Uh... Can someone please translate this for me?!?!?

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Well, to the extent I can--this former breeder hasn't been breeding for over 20 years--sounds like nothing left of his original lines (whatever they were).

Looks like his claim is that his former dogs who could be moderately successful in 'combat"--K9 corp type dogs? But Dobes haven't been used for armed service dogs for anything except tracking (a few) and/or maybe explosive trackers.

He is now going to start breeding again (evidently acquired at least one bitch) and the combination is Italian and Serbian. I don't have a lot of experience with any Italian breeding but that I did have looked overly too burley for good Doberman type. While I have like the look of several of the recent Serbian dogs I've at least seen pictures of I thought the pedigrees were kind of heavy on dogs with known cardio behind them.

For my kind of choice (mine all start as conformation dogs in AKC and CKC and on to general performance stuff--Obedience, Agility, Tracking, Rally) and in my 60 years in Dobes most of them were sufficiently protective of me that I wasn't worried about where I went as long as they were with me.

That's my translation John--for what it's worth. He'd probably like McCoy...

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Well, to the extent I can--this former breeder hasn't been breeding for over 20 years--sounds like nothing left of his original lines (whatever they were).

Looks like his claim is that his former dogs who could be moderately successful in 'combat"--K9 corp type dogs? But Dobes haven't been used for armed service dogs for anything except tracking (a few) and/or maybe explosive trackers.

He is now going to start breeding again (evidently acquired at least one bitch) and the combination is Italian and Serbian. I don't have a lot of experience with any Italian breeding but that I did have looked overly too burley for good Doberman type. While I have like the look of several of the recent Serbian dogs I've at least seen pictures of I thought the pedigrees were kind of heavy on dogs with known cardio behind them.

For my kind of choice (mine all start as conformation dogs in AKC and CKC and on to general performance stuff--Obedience, Agility, Tracking, Rally) and in my 60 years in Dobes most of them were sufficiently protective of me that I wasn't worried about where I went as long as they were with me.

That's my translation John--for what it's worth. He'd probably like McCoy...

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I am Michael Deyah'na, the scheduler and operator of the SONGBIRD program. Both I and my dogs, when campaigning, are quite openly out of the shadows with answers to questions and photographs. However, I myself have NEVER met any of you nameless and anonymous people. May I ask you - "4x4"... "VZ"... and "dobebug"... what intention you have in appearing here... if you are hidden strangers who are NOT here to gain knowledge of my work?
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Wow. More interpretation needed here. It must be me.

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I am not nameless and before you come into this forum and try to impress the Doberman people here you better have something to back that up. Oh, by the way my name is Mary Callaway and my dog Bacchus retired with 140 titles and awards. We had no mentor, we had no trainer, we had no club. We had each other. Now, exactly where do you compete and in what venues? Do you have national ranking? We competed extensively throughout the Midwest and east coast from NY to FL for years and I don't believe I've ever seen a Songbird dog in any venues (AKC/UKC/NADAC).
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LOL Michael

The people that you called out as being "nameless and anonymous" are hardly that.

VZ has been a DT member for over 10 years with over 16,000 thanks to her name. She just gave you her name and her dog's accolades.

dobebug has been a member since 2005 with over 20,000 thanks to her name. She has owned and/or shown Dobermans since 1959. She has more Doberman knowledge in her little finger than I will be able to accumulate in my entire life.

My name on line is either John (from Portland OR) or STJ! I sign every post.
I am hardly anonymous. a quick search of my posts easily reveals that my name is John
Lichtwardt along with the fact that I am 66yo. I always answer PMs. I have owned Dobermans since 1974. I currently have an almost 5yo male and frequently care for my son's almost 10yo Dobe. BTW... I have had over 12,000 thanks to my posts.

So you are questioning the motives of 3 people who have a cumulative decades of experience with this breed.

My initial post to your thread was merely to try and figure out what the heck you were saying.
I realize there may be a language barrier here. Sometimes I am a bit obtuse, which is why I asked for someone to explain to me what you were posting.

Lastly... Your second post could be taken as rude.

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Note to all those confused regarding comments from Michael's recent post.....review some of Michaels previous posts .....and things will become clearer regarding the definition of "Songbird" ...his definition is listed in some of his previous posts ....along with alot of other interesting details.
Welcome to our forum .....have not heard from you since last year......as I recall....... you were hoping to produce the perfect pups spring of 2019...so how is all that going for you.........are you selling the perfect specimen of puppies now?

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Thanks Di. I was clueless as to what 'Songbird' was. Thinking he was a DJ of sorts and somehow got on DT site by accident. Lol, yeah that's how my mind works.

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Good...glad you looked back onto the posts..........alot of info there to work with.........

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Good...glad you looked back onto the posts..........alot of info there to work with.........
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Nothing there that I would be interested in. I am still quite unsure as to what his post was all about! LOL

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LOL Michael

The people that you called out as being "nameless and anonymous" are hardly that.

VZ has been a DT member for over 10 years with over 16,000 thanks to her name. She just gave you her name and her dog's accolades.

dobebug has been a member since 2005 with over 20,000 thanks to her name. She has owned and/or shown Dobermans since 1959. She has more Doberman knowledge in her little finger than I will be able to accumulate in my entire life.

My name on line is either John (from Portland OR) or STJ! I sign every post.
I am hardly anonymous. a quick search of my posts easily reveals that my name is John
Lichtwardt along with the fact that I am 66yo. I always answer PMs. I have owned Dobermans since 1974. I currently have an almost 5yo male and frequently care for my son's almost 10yo Dobe. BTW... I have had over 12,000 thanks to my posts.

So you are questioning the motives of 3 people who have a cumulative decades of experience with this breed.

My initial post to your thread was merely to try and figure out what the heck you were saying.
I realize there may be a language barrier here. Sometimes I am a bit obtuse, which is why I asked for someone to explain to me what you were posting.

Lastly... Your second post could be taken as rude.

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NAMELESS, of course, in the intellectual sense that ALL THREE of you failed to introduce yourselves to ME. A man announced himself at the heading of this thread as a police officer seeking a Doberman Pinscher that could serve the purpose of protecting his family. I responded by telling him of my name and the SONGBIRD program. I looked back at this thread 3 days later and noted 3 T-Rexes that I had never noticed... noticing ME, tearing at MY name, tearing at MY program and discouraging prospective patrons. I saw old Sonny Listons speaking disparingly of my new program and expressing fear that it might be found "impressive." What did you expect "Kong" to do. Over the years I've concentrated about just as hard in the art and science aspects of Doberdom as others might have concentrated on the human crowd and political aspects of it. M.D.
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Eh??

Huh??

What??

LOL... So I am an "old Sonny Liston " and you are "Kong"?

I promised myself that I would not get reabsorbed into this bizarre conversation. Yet the pure amusement of this nonsensical conversation is keeping me around! You rock!

I would love to see some photos of your dogs and proof of their accomplishments that would make them desirable as dams and/or sires of a nice litter of Dobermans. Also evidence of health testing. I am sure that you know the drill....

BTW... Nobody here disparaged you (that was the word that you were reaching for). Personally, I was just trying to figure out what you were trying to accomplish with your initial post.

I am not picking a fight with you. Far from it. Please refrain from picking one with me.

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I am Michael Deyah'na, conceiver of the New Dey Eye-Opener program called "SONGBIRD." Over the past 44 years as a Dobermann Pinscher fancier and breeder, I have agreed to buy specimens and agreed to sell specimens only a very few times. Having the knowledge I have, I simply resolved never to spend my valuable time trading punches with non-friend George Foreman-like bullies who are reputably known for seeking to maneuver people into owning for themselves good-for-nothing "pets" that they just need to "get rid of" from their own collections. Thus, any of you who receive a puppy from ME out of a litter that I decide to breed can always rest assured that you are getting a puppy that is significantly good for, at least, SOMETHING. It will have either a high degree of modern combat work capabilities... or it will have a high degree of modernly correct structure fundamentals for show... or it will have a clearness of the vWd, dcm and thyroid diseases commonly found in these sales... or it will move better than other Dobes do. About the start of Autumn, my program of breeding New Dey Eye-Openers - SONGBIRDS - will feature, after two decades of my absence, a litter of foreign-blooded puppies for an initial "set-up" by me. And there is a very real possibility that I will be dealing out to people in touch some of the most valuable Dobes on earth!! By the way, I speak of an Italian/Serbian blending of a better-than-usual European pair selected by myself.
Sooooo…. you haven't bred the litter but you already know that you will have puppies with "modern combat work capabilities (although none of the dogs you own are from working lines, and this can't possibly be known without testing temperaments), that they will have correct structure capable of show (wow, I have to show-line dobes and can't make that promise without an evaluation), and clear from DCM (this is the most impressive, especially since you're buying Serbian and Italian lines, both well known for DCM). This is very impressive and if anyone believes any of this I have some ocean front property to sell you in Kansas.

And just so you don't think I'm anonymous....

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NAMELESS, of course, in the intellectual sense that ALL THREE of you failed to introduce yourselves to ME. A man announced himself at the heading of this thread as a police officer seeking a Doberman Pinscher that could serve the purpose of protecting his family. I responded by telling him of my name and the SONGBIRD program. I looked back at this thread 3 days later and noted 3 T-Rexes that I had never noticed... noticing ME, tearing at MY name, tearing at MY program and discouraging prospective patrons. I saw old Sonny Listons speaking disparingly of my new program and expressing fear that it might be found "impressive." What did you expect "Kong" to do. Over the years I've concentrated about just as hard in the art and science aspects of Doberdom as others might have concentrated on the human crowd and political aspects of it. M.D.
Where in the hell does it state members must introduce themselves to ANYONE???? Hard not to notice someone announcing some pretty unbelievable claims (dcm) and a lot of brags on accomplishments that have yet to be proven. Ahhh, your remark about "discouraging prospective patrons" pretty much exposes the real reason you're back and voila! You are hawking an upcoming litter. Just remember YOU were the one trashing dogs that are pets, YOU were the one extolling the incomparable wonders of the upcoming puppies by denigrating so many other members dogs. And you're still doing it.
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Michael Deyah'na has been dog-housed in a cooling off period, for infractions of the DT etiquette statement . At this point, I think his viewpoint has been effectively challenged by other members on this forum. We should all take a break, at least until he is able to respond to what you say. In the meantime, this discussion needs to conform to our forum rules.

At the moment, it has strayed far from the original topic and is off track. Please confine your responses to answering the OP's question for breeder recommendations in the Lexington, KY area.
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@ melbrod

You've got it.

Thanks for intervening (even though I was having fun).

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