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Do not worry ...do not cry.
You are not the first owner that has experienced this....
First ...take a deep breath....and realize everything will be OK.
Leave the posts off .....and take some pics for us......if there are sores it will not hurt to leave the posts off until we can look at PICs and help you. No medicine now....let them air out......until we can see what you are dealing with.......
FYI....I remember crying ....and feeling so alone with this process....but lucky you......you have us !!!!
So.........enjoy your puppy tonight ..get us some pics and we will figure this out ..............

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I am beating myself up over here.

Yesterday, when he was showing me how to do this, I had seen the one long sore on his ear, but when I questioned it, he said it would be fine because we were loosely taping. I should have known that this was not good...
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BTW. Maybe I missed it, but does he have a name yet?
John,

His name is Tyrion...
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Oh..so glad I could settle you.
Do not post them tonight......give others a chance to look at the pictures.....we have some real experienced posters that can help you.
Yeah..the idea is to keep those ears up ...but.....for tonight its not gonna hurt to let them air......and give others a chance to chime in on this thoughts now that we have some pics...it looks mostly like little cuts.........versus blisters.
Touch of triple antibiotic wouldn’t hurt for tonight while you are waiting.
Are you using the tutorial we have under resources for posting ?
Seriously I have watched this forum take people under their wing and assist with learning to post ........but might be a good idea to follow the listed tutorial and obtain the listed supplies.
We call it a sticky because its a source that is used often when helping someone learn how to post .
Let me know if you need help finding this resource within our forum.

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Stay home tonight.....snuggle your pup. These pups will pick up on those tears.
So we want posting to always be a positive experience for your new baby.
Tonight Read the sticky note about posting...as I recall their is a step by step video.......the information ....it includes all the supplies you will need.
Time well spent tonight would be to study posting within our forums resources ..........
then.......before you post again you will be knowledgeable and ready with the same supplies a lot of folks on this forum has used.
Heck there was a girl months ago that was in such distress over posting........Meadowcat helped her and the dogs ears are gorgeous.
So tonight.....snuggle......study.........K?

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Hi soni...

Relax... You and Tyrion have a long way to go. I would leave the ears down until all the "wounds" are healed. You have plenty of time.

The cuts don't look bad at all. The sore at the base of the ear seems like it could be avoided when re-posting. Personally, given the pics, I see no sign of infection.

In the future to remove ear posting tape, use the advise that greenkouki posted in the link above.

Everything will be fine.

Hey! How about a pic of Tyrion with his ears down. Just a photo of him, not a close in ear shot.

Best to you and your boy.

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Edit say: Your attached thumbnail of a full on head just come through. IMO I really don't see a problem. Would let the scratches heal a bit before reposting and avoid taping over the one the small sore on the bak of his right ear. That's about it.

Stick with Zonas tape.

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Okay, take a deep breath. It really is not too bad. Everyone will get a sore spot posting ears with their puppy, it just happens, especially early on.

Personally I would post them, BUT, I would be sure not to put anything over the exposed wounds until they heal over. I would also put some medicated powder in there to help keep it dry and move things along but no neosporin.

To make the post get a piece of backer rod and back tape it like your breeder showed you (or in my tutorial which is posted above by John) but make it short. Make it so it comes just up to the sore spot(s) and not the full length of his ear. Then take a zip tie or a couple of them taped together so it's pretty firm and tape that to the section of backer rod that you have just made but offset to one side (which side it's offset to just depends on which side of the ear it is going to stick to, so that means the side where there are no sores!). The zip tied part should also be "back taped" sticky side out so it will stick to the undamaged part of his ear. Insert your new post, tape the backer rod portion as you would normally- so loosely onto his ear up to where the backer rod ends. Then this is where you just have to use good judgement- Use smaller strips of zonas tape cut length wise (or athletic tape if you don't have zonas yet) and tape the part made with zip ties on to his ear but again, no tape over the wounds. Make a semi stiff bridge out of a piece of backer rod and tape it at the base of his head to hold the two ears a little better.

It's hard to tell from your photo from head on but it does look like one tip is cut off? It could be that that part just died when the ears were healing due to poor blood supply, it was not actually cut off with scissors. I would ask the breeder.
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I will do what you say...but sooooo many questions!

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Stay home tonight.....snuggle your pup. These pups will pick up on those tears.
So we want posting to always be a positive experience for your new baby.
Tonight Read the sticky note about posting...as I recall their is a step by step video.......the information ....it includes all the supplies you will need.
Time well spent tonight would be to study posting within our forums resources ..........
then.......before you post again you will be knowledgeable and ready with the same supplies a lot of folks on this forum has used.
Heck there was a girl months ago that was in such distress over posting........Meadowcat helped her and the dogs ears are gorgeous.
So tonight.....snuggle......study.........K?
You are wonderful...thank you.

I am very new to all of this and am not sure what a sticky note is. Is it what shows the step-by-step pictures of posting? It was phenomenal!! I have seen that and studied it well. I also found a video on Youtube of a lady posting a doberman's ears using the backer rod method. I saw this last night and watched it over and over again.

I had gone out earlier today and purchased the backer rod material after seeing the video online. I could NOT find the Zonas tape. Would, by any chance Vet Wrap work, perhaps as a loose, first layer, then do a single, gentle layer of white tape?

Again, thank you!
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order some unisolve to help take the tape off - order the Johnson & Johnson 1" zones tape as well - get a case of 12.

You can tape without covering all of the ear with tape - and if need be you can cover a small sore with some gauze and tape over that. You just don't want tape right on a sore, and it is best if you can leave it open to air.
This is a totally different method of posting - but the point is to see how you don't have to cover over the entire ear with tape.
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Okay, take a deep breath. It really is not too bad. Everyone will get a sore spot posting ears with their puppy, it just happens, especially early on.

Personally I would post them, BUT, I would be sure not to put anything over the exposed wounds until they heal over. I would also put some medicated powder in there to help keep it dry and move things along but no neosporin.

To make the post get a piece of backer rod and back tape it like your breeder showed you (or in my tutorial which is posted above by John) but make it short. Make it so it comes just up to the sore spot(s) and not the full length of his ear. Then take a zip tie or a couple of them taped together so it's pretty firm and tape that to the section of backer rod that you have just made but offset to one side (which side it's offset to just depends on which side of the ear it is going to stick to, so that means the side where there are no sores!). The zip tied part should also be "back taped" sticky side out so it will stick to the undamaged part of his ear. Insert your new post, tape the backer rod portion as you would normally- so loosely onto his ear up to where the backer rod ends. Then this is where you just have to use good judgement- Use smaller strips of zonas tape cut length wise (or athletic tape if you don't have zonas yet) and tape the part made with zip ties on to his ear but again, no tape over the wounds. Make a semi stiff bridge out of a piece of backer rod and tape it at the base of his head to hold the two ears a little better.

It's hard to tell from your photo from head on but it does look like one tip is cut off? It could be that that part just died when the ears were healing due to poor blood supply, it was not actually cut off with scissors. I would ask the breeder.


Even though this may be the case, you would think the breeder would explain/disclose this.

Sorry you are having a bad experience, OP. He is a beautiful boy! I have a new pup as well and I can vouch that the posting does get easier! This is the video that helped me the most.

https://youtu.be/WEOQuBa0fDc


Edited to add: be sure there are no wrinkles in the tape when putting on the duct tape and back taping as wrinkles in the tape can cause a pressure sore. I made that mistake the first time I posted and had a small wound that I covered with a bit of cotton and posted over so that the tape did not touch the wound. Was gone in 4/5 days. I also prefer less tape around the ear:


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Do not use vet wrap. Zonas (a J&J product) can be ordered online. They also make a similar tape often sold as "Coach" sports tape. It is often available at regular pharmacies like Walgreens or Rite Aid.
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Okay, take a deep breath. It really is not too bad. Everyone will get a sore spot posting ears with their puppy, it just happens, especially early on.

Personally I would post them, BUT, I would be sure not to put anything over the exposed wounds until they heal over. I would also put some medicated powder in there to help keep it dry and move things along but no neosporin.

To make the post get a piece of backer rod and back tape it like your breeder showed you (or in my tutorial which is posted above by John) but make it short. Make it so it comes just up to the sore spot(s) and not the full length of his ear. Then take a zip tie or a couple of them taped together so it's pretty firm and tape that to the section of backer rod that you have just made but offset to one side (which side it's offset to just depends on which side of the ear it is going to stick to, so that means the side where there are no sores!). The zip tied part should also be "back taped" sticky side out so it will stick to the undamaged part of his ear. Insert your new post, tape the backer rod portion as you would normally- so loosely onto his ear up to where the backer rod ends. Then this is where you just have to use good judgement- Use smaller strips of zonas tape cut length wise (or athletic tape if you don't have zonas yet) and tape the part made with zip ties on to his ear but again, no tape over the wounds. Make a semi stiff bridge out of a piece of backer rod and tape it at the base of his head to hold the two ears a little better.

It's hard to tell from your photo from head on but it does look like one tip is cut off? It could be that that part just died when the ears were healing due to poor blood supply, it was not actually cut off with scissors. I would ask the breeder.

Before getting your response, I glopped on some neosporin. Should I take it off? If so, with what? Simply a kleenex, or should I wash his ears somehow?

I have athletic tape that I just bought and have the backer rods ready to go, but I have cut them to the length of his ears. I will have to re-read what you are suggesting to do with the zip ties. I don't have any here at home right now, and it is 9:00 at night. I could possibly head out to see if the 24 hour Walmart has them!

I do believe that the ear may have been cut off at the tip. It really looks like it.

Lastly, can I use baby medicated powder if I do not have the Neo-Predef yet? I will order the Neo-Predef tonight, but want to make sure I am not hurting Tyrion if I give him the human version of medicated powder...

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I would wipe off the excess neosporin with a cotton ball but don't worry about that too much. If you don't have zip ties you can use something else. Q tips with the fuzz pulled off will work too.
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https://www.dobermantalk.com/ear-cro...ml#post4011922

Check this out !

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Medicated Powder for posting ears....can I use this until the recommended powder arrives?
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Caldesene powder is good.....should be able to pick up any place they have baby supplies.....

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Back to the question of stickies....some of them are informational tutorials about a particular topic...ear posting, or how to start threads or post pictures, for example...that someone on the forum has put together. A lot of them are simply threads that ended up having a lot of posts from various members with good information on them.

The name sticky means that we have flagged them so that they always show up at the top of your list of forum threads; they don't fall out of view even if they are not being actively posted on.
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Back to the question of stickies....some of them are informational tutorials about a particular topic...ear posting, or how to start threads or post pictures, for example...that someone on the forum has put together. A lot of them are simply threads that ended up having a lot of posts from various members with good information on them.

The name sticky means that we have flagged them so that they always show up at the top of your list of forum threads; they don't fall out of view even if they are not being actively posted on.
Ahhhh...now I understand. Yikes! I feel like such a dummy, both online and with my dobie. I am learning though! LOL

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Asking questions is how we all learn--it's only the real dummies who don't ask questions.

This is just general information--almost any medicated powder will work--Gold Bond is carried everywhere and has about a zillion different medicated powders--I've got a bottle of Gold Bond medicated powder (for feet it says) which I've had since Gold Bond only made one medicated powder.

On tape--the Zonas is nearly impossible to get except by ordering it on line but the Johnson & Johnson Coach Sports tape which is carried many places (Walmart, Walgreens etc) comes in 1-1/2" width and is nearly identical to the Zonas tape--I've been using it for years--I work for a vet clinic and we use Zonas tape but even with my employee discount the pricing is high. Also 3M makes a tape which is called Medipore--it's low tack, breathable and hypoallergenic, harder to find but can be used as a substitute for the Johnson & Johnson tapes in a pinch.

And zipties can be found practically any place that has a section of electrical supplies--the bigger stiffer ones are generally only available in bigger hardware stores though.

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I also don't think you necessarily need zip ties - I've posted two dogs using backer rods with no zip ties, and their ears turned out great. I just strengthen the posts by wrapping them with duct tape. Then wrap the posts with your coach tape (or zonas) sticky side out, so all the duct tape is covered and none of it touches the ear at all. Voila!


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Personally I would post them, BUT, I would be sure not to put anything over the exposed wounds until they heal over. I would also put some medicated powder in there to help keep it dry and move things along but no neosporin.

To make the post get a piece of backer rod and back tape it like your breeder showed you (or in my tutorial which is posted above by John) but make it short. Make it so it comes just up to the sore spot(s) and not the full length of his ear. Then take a zip tie or a couple of them taped together so it's pretty firm and tape that to the section of backer rod that you have just made but offset to one side (which side it's offset to just depends on which side of the ear it is going to stick to, so that means the side where there are no sores!). The zip tied part should also be "back taped" sticky side out so it will stick to the undamaged part of his ear. Insert your new post, tape the backer rod portion as you would normally- so loosely onto his ear up to where the backer rod ends. Then this is where you just have to use good judgement- Use smaller strips of zonas tape cut length wise (or athletic tape if you don't have zonas yet) and tape the part made with zip ties on to his ear but again, no tape over the wounds. Make a semi stiff bridge out of a piece of backer rod and tape it at the base of his head to hold the two ears a little better.


As I recall.... info above from Greenkouki .....this is where the zip ties came into play.......pup has some sores on the ears. He had some ideas allowing them to work around the sore spot using backer rod along with zip ties.

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You have some good advice for the sores and taping methods so I wonít touch on that but I wanted to chime in about the ear tip....

First of all breath, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it now, it may have been cut off accidentally or it may have been a circulation issue. I Know itís upsetting, I had a tip die while in the cone, I was super upset at the time but I realized itís not a big deal, you can always ha e them recropped if necessary once they are all done being posted, but let me say if you choose this method make sure to only have an experienced cropper do this....if/when the time comes reach out to people on here and they can recommend someone in your area.

Most people make the posts longer than necessary and trim them after they are partially posted, if you ever have to trim a post once it is on your pup, put your thumb over and slightly above the tip of the ear, this will prevent you from accidentally cutting the ear tip off of a wiggly puppy. Best advice I ever received, I have a photo somewhere when I cut myself once.
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I should have said thumb and finger over and slightly above ear tip to protect both sides but either way this could have been my pups ear

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I know how you feel. Similar has probably happened to most of us. I have seen worse, really. It may set you back a bit, but all is not lost. Let it heal. Do not retape over a sore. Even a scab.
The only tape I was instructed to use was Jonas tape. It is breathable. Order it online. You cannot buy it in a store. You're going to make it and so is Tyrion.
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You have some good advice for the sores and taping methods so I wonít touch on that but I wanted to chime in about the ear tip....

First of all breath, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it now, it may have been cut off accidentally or it may have been a circulation issue. I Know itís upsetting, I had a tip die while in the cone, I was super upset at the time but I realized itís not a big deal, you can always ha e them recropped if necessary once they are all done being posted, but let me say if you choose this method make sure to only have an experienced cropper do this....if/when the time comes reach out to people on here and they can recommend someone in your area.

Most people make the posts longer than necessary and trim them after they are partially posted, if you ever have to trim a post once it is on your pup, put your thumb over and slightly above the tip of the ear, this will prevent you from accidentally cutting the ear tip off of a wiggly puppy. Best advice I ever received, I have a photo somewhere when I cut myself once.
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