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Hello DT community!

I have been a long time reader of this forum and value all of this information and input highly!

My wife and I recently had to put down our 5 year old Doberman (picture below) this last year due to cardiomyopathy. Our sweet girl was amazing, she took so much time and energy for training but it was so WORTH IT!

We are on the hunt for another puppy here shortly and I wanted to know of a reputable breeder around SW Missouri. I donít mind traveling!

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Two breeders in that area who used to post on dt frequently are old drum dobermans and promise dobermans. If you have Facebook ask to join the doberman pinscher breeder listings page. I'm pretty sure I saw a puppy posted by these two breeders just the other day on that page...
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Unfortunately, I can't help you with your question...

But I am so sorry about the loss of your girl. DCM is such a beast of a disease and dogs seem to be developing it at a younger and younger age. I'm sorry.
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Yeah... I am also sad at he loss of your girl. DCM sucks. It is the bane of this breed. Most here who have owned Dobermans for years have had to deal with this insidious disease. Myself included.

I have a couple of suggestions, if you don't mind:

- Purchase a quality pet insurance as soon as possible when and if you get a new pup.

- At an appropriate age (maybe 3 yo) have the pup given a full cardio work up. This would usually be an echocardiogram, A 24 hour Holter monitoring and perhaps full blood panel.

Caught early, DCM is treatable. It is pretty much treated the same with dogs as it is in humans. Thats not to say that the dog won't ultimately pass due to heart disease, but treated early the can live a pretty much normal life with a fairly normal life span.

At least this has been my experience.

Best to you and your search for a puppy!

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I agree with GK - contact both Old Drum and Promise/Olympia Dobermans. I believe I have seen both of them recently post about litters, and if not, either would be a GREAT resource in pointing you towards other reputable breeders.

I, too, am so sorry for your loss.

I am going to have to slightly disagree with John, here, though. I do absolutely agree with testing yearly, and with insurance (I do both). Early detection is wonderful, and it's true that in some cases dogs can and will live a long time with early detection. However, I don't think it's fair to say give the picture that early detection and treatment will make this the case for ALL Dobermans. DCM appears to manifest in multiple ways in Dobermans, and even with aggressive early treatment some dogs will still die early in treatment. So, YES, test! Yes, insurance is great (for so many reasons!). But I don't think we should give people the idea that early detection and treatment will necessarily mean a long life. Hopefully that will be the case, but it isn't always.
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@ MC

My bad...

I did not mean to imply that an early definitive diagnosis of DCM and subsequent treatment is a "cure all'.

My comment was based on our situation with our deceased boy Butcher. At about 5 1/2 years old, he succumbed to what is commonly referred to as Sudden Death Syndrome. Most of the time, the first that time owners see this, it is the end of the dog.

Butcher was lucky. His (very Dobe knowledgable) vet rushed him to an immediate care hospital. There was a cardiologist on site. They brought him back. On a very modest heart med regime, he lived to 9 yo.

He passed quickly and seemingly painlessly after an easy walk with The Sheriff, his little brother who is still a happy camper. He came home and just dropped dead.

I miss him, but I am happy how he passed.

This was about 5-6 years ago. Without medical intervention and support, his prognosis was "extremely poor". Best guess was 2-4 months.

So...Just my experience. I have great hope for DCM treatment in Dobes (Danes, etc,)

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Well, you have to keep in mind that this one disease manifests in different ways - some have an electrical problem predominantly, some have the enlargement and not the electrical problem so much, some have both. The prognosis is really going to vary from individual to individual. Some respond well to the meds, some don't. Some will live for years with treatment, some will die the next day or week even with treatment.
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So ....IMO all we can do is be as proactive as we can....some will live long lives and some will die early ......but since we love them so much we try to pick the best breeders and insurance plans and use early detection as a chance to extend their lives .....knowing there is no guarantee of anything except the joy experience with them during their healthy days .
There is comfort that when that end comes ......we know that we provided our best work for our pups.

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Hello DT community!

I have been a long time reader of this forum and value all of this information and input highly!

My wife and I recently had to put down our 5 year old Doberman (picture below) this last year due to cardiomyopathy. Our sweet girl was amazing, she took so much time and energy for training but it was so WORTH IT!

We are on the hunt for another puppy here shortly and I wanted to know of a reputable breeder around SW Missouri. I donít mind traveling!

Thank you! Attachment 110435


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I'm sorry to hear about your loss.
Both Promise and Old drum are great breeders.

Could you PM me your girl's pedigree? Or send me her reg. name, date of birth and her sire and dam names? I keep a database of dogs that have passed from DCM for research purposes.
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Hello DT community!

I have been a long time reader of this forum and value all of this information and input highly!

My wife and I recently had to put down our 5 year old Doberman (picture below) this last year due to cardiomyopathy. Our sweet girl was amazing, she took so much time and energy for training but it was so WORTH IT!

We are on the hunt for another puppy here shortly and I wanted to know of a reputable breeder around SW Missouri. I donít mind traveling!

Thank you! Attachment 110435
Have you considered getting an older (3 year old) dog at all? Sirai Dobermans has a 3 year old show female they're trying to place: Sirai Dobermans
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There is a Chapter Club in Missouri--Doberman Pinscher Club of Missouri Inc--you might try contacting Mary Jane Ladd who is their AKC rep--she's Walkaway Dobermans--don't know how active she is as a breeder but I think she'd be a source for more information.

Old Drum is Ali Doughty--she's n Harrisonville, MO--e-mail [email protected]

And Promise/Olympia is actually in Arizona--that's Jana Dupre she's in Fayetteville, AR the e-mail address is [email protected]

Good luck in your search.
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Have you considered getting an older (3 year old) dog at all? Sirai Dobermans has a 3 year old show female they're trying to place: Sirai Dobermans


I wouldnít be opposed to that at all. I will contact them. I have never adopted an adult dobie, I had our previous dog since 8 weeks


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The female I had available likely has a new home. Working out the final details now. Have a 3 year old male available, but would need to be the right fit. I'm planning a litter now.

In regards to the original post, as has been mentioned, there is Old Drum, Promise/Olympia, Zane, and ShoMe.
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I just looked up Old Drum and sure enough - they have Puppies - Here's the link Litterbox

DOB - I think was 11/23 - 7 Reds .
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The female I had available likely has a new home. Working out the final details now. Have a 3 year old male available, but would need to be the right fit. I'm planning a litter now.



In regards to the original post, as has been mentioned, there is Old Drum, Promise/Olympia, Zane, and ShoMe.


I sent you a message. You can email me if thatís easier at [email protected] I would love to know more info about the male!


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I just looked up Old Drum and sure enough - they have Puppies - Here's the link Litterbox



DOB - I think was 11/23 - 7 Reds .


We are getting a male from this litter


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