Join Date: Sep 2014
Dogs Name: Gretchen and Maverick
Titles: CGCA, RE, RATN and Supreme bed destroyer
Dogs Age: 21 mo and 6mo.
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Here's my two cents and some may disagree:
I've seen many doberman puppies fail at protection work, doesn't matter if they're euro, working lines, or American. I will say that my american show line bitch is one of the decoys favorite to work. She's tough and comes in flying full mouth. Also, doing protection does not mean they will be protective when it counts. Almost every doberman I've ever known has been exceptionally protective of their domain. Be careful of what trainer you train with in protection. I don't want to come off as some positive only trainer but I will tell you dobermans love to please and they do much better with positive training over corrections. I do give them but I'm VERY careful about it. The more I learn as a trainer with my dogs the less and less I seem to give corrections. In fact, when I'm REALLY mad at them, like trade them online for a rock type of mad, I ignore them, for some reason it kills my dogs when they KNOWINGLY do something bad and KNOW that I'm mad and instead of correcting them I just turn my back on them. Try that some time, it's kind of funny.
I agree with what dobebug said, all dobes are intimidating. I don't think most dogs (not just dobes) would actually lay a bite on a bad guy, honestly it's the LAST thing you should want if you love your dog anyways. We have an animal lawyer in our IPO club and he can tell you horror stories. One bite, even if protecting the home and the LEAST that will happen is the dog has to be quarantined. If it shows aggression or aggressive behavior during that time, many places will put the dog down. I personally believe video alarms are much better.
Lastly, if you're looking for a service dog, my experience has been that I would go with a female. Many, if not all, males go through an insecure phase between the ages of around 1-3 which is kind of their teenage tough guy years, and a male may fail as a service dog in that manner. Where I've seen zero issues with MOST females(although I have encountered one), they tend to be protective when it's needed and out going (enough so) when it's needed.
I don't like any of the kennels you listed. Kimbertal has too many puppies dying from DCM and they're just gross. I don't know enough about the other ones. I will say Canis is deceptive on their website IMO. They say owner bred, raised CH, but when I click on the dog it's an import. Also, 3 litters due in a matter of months??? They could likely get more titles on their dogs if they would take a pause from their money makes and title dogs. I probably could find more if I looked but I don't care too really. For Kevlar, they appear the same, Why are they putting other kennel names in their dogs names? Kevlars Pride of Russia, Kevlar's Di Altobello, they are playing off of other kennels which isn't cool. Also, they breed with Kimbertal and lastly their dogs really aren't that nice looking. Ultimately the decision is up to you but I look for a breeder to be someone I look up too, someone with similar values to me. When you see all of those dogs on their websites (and I'm sure you know dobermans are PEOPLE dogs bred to be with people) are they getting the attention and love they deserve or are they living their lives in kennels? When they retire from breeding what happens to the dog? Are those dogs really loved?
I love my male, he's half Euro and 1/4 American and South American BUT he will never be that dog I can take everywhere. He's been well socialized, he likes people, we compete in MANY sports but he's also not afraid to whip around and bark or nip at someone. My American female, on the other hand is super protective when she needs to be but she rarely ever takes that stance. On most days she's fairly outgoing and I can take her everywhere.
I love my American female, she has great bone (many people think she's euro) at just over 10mo. old she weighs 72lbs. Her aunt is an IPO III championed bitch And Sharjet is an amazing breeder. They are located in NJ. They will be breeding in the spring if I remember correct.
The last thing I want to leave you with is don't JUST pick a breeder. Pick the pedigree you want and no this doesn't mean the two pretties bad assed dogs you can find. Make sure the breeder has the vWD status, full yearly thyroid sent to MSU and a full blood panel done as well as and most importantly yearly holters and echos. This breed has A LOT of health issues and they can be scary and expensive. One top of that ask to see the pedigrees of the parents and google their names online and see if you can find out how and what age the dogs in the pedigree died. and decided if you're ok with that. I was given the same advice from a breeder when I was looking for my male. I not only learned about pedigrees and who to potentially stay away from but I learned a lot about dobermans and my dogs.