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Question Need opinion on this European Breeder/Litter

I am really interested in getting a pup from this breeder Hírek / news - von Karpatia kennel

I am interested in a puppy out of the N-Litter Grafit di Perlanera x Jaffa von Karpatia. What do you think about their Pedigree? Can the puppy be registered with the CKC? What kind of documents do i need in order to register the pup? The price is $3500 with cropped ears. Would really appreciate your opnions. Thanks

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European show kennels, from what I could tell. I can't see where there is any health testing mentioned on the website. But... $3500 for the puppy, probably another $1000 or more to import it (sight unseen, other than pictures, I assume), and another $112 to register it with the CKC... Frankly, I think you'd be better off buying a puppy bred in Canada by a Canadian breeder who titles and health tests their dogs.


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This is the CKC application that lets the requirements for registration. https://www.ckc.ca/en/Files/Forms/Re...ign-Born-Dog-I

I have no idea what the governmental requirements are concerning age, vaccination status, or the like. You'd have to consult whatever agency it is that takes care of the. In the US, it's the Department of Agriculture.


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I'll be dead honest...unless I were going TO Budapest to actually meet them, see their dogs working, etc...you're taking a huge risk, and I wouldn't do it.

Is there a reason Rebholzer isn't an option anymore?

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Hi! The reason why i changed my mind about getting a pup from Rebholzer is because her dogs are from working lines. This will be my first Doberman and i am afraid it will me too much of a Doberman for me.
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For your first Doberman have you considered a rescue? There are many great dogs in rescue through no fault of their own. A good Dobe-specific rescue knows their dogs and will match you with one to fit your needs and lifestyle. Sometimes they even have puppies.
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Hi! The reason why i changed my mind about getting a pup from Rebholzer is because her dogs are from working lines. This will be my first Doberman and i am afraid it will me too much of a Doberman for me.
I think that is smart. A nicely bred show Canadian/American line puppy is probably exactly what you want then. A pup from one of these breeders will look similar to the dogs on the Rebholzer website too.
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Hi! The reason why i changed my mind about getting a pup from Rebholzer is because her dogs are from working lines. This will be my first Doberman and i am afraid it will me too much of a Doberman for me.
I concur, if this is your first, you don't want a working Dobe.

I wouldn't buy a Euro show dog, either, when you can find dogs in North America with excellent longevity and thorough health testing...plus you don't have a language barrier here like you would going to Europe. Utilize the breed club for referrals.

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Hi! The reason why i changed my mind about getting a pup from Rebholzer is because her dogs are from working lines. This will be my first Doberman and i am afraid it will me too much of a Doberman for me.

Sounds good - 1st time dobe owners, need pups with low-medium prey drive.
- not over the top high prey drive

From Canadian & USA championship lines:
Our 1977 Tanya, was our 1st girl...medium drive and easiest enough to learn together, with dedication.
Our 2000 Amy, was our 2nd girl...love prey drive with an insane desire to please, its family / human smart like
a +3 year old toddler and we puppy trained her to gain needed confidence. Several years later, she protected wife from a GST/Lab dog attack. Just a well balanced dobe...she would risk her life, to protect loved ones, if needed.
Our 2012, Kelly was our 3rd girl...high prey drive & independent / a nightmare to train.
- only for the experienced owner as a puppy, or she would have ended in rescue

The low prey pup had an awesome on/off stitch and could read people & perceive danger (she was a gift to live with).
Pup #3 couldn't separate a bad guy from a lady pushing a baby carriage (on street). Her sharp senses wired in (eyes, ears, nose). Red zone triggered moments, reduced her brain processing power ...so take your pick !!

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I think that is smart. A nicely bred show Canadian/American line puppy is probably exactly what you want then. A pup from one of these breeders will look similar to the dogs on the Rebholzer website too.
I agree with GK. I really, really think you need to connect with a breeder that is reasonably close to you, who can match you with a puppy that is going to be a good fit for your household. Going overseas means you don't have breeder support, and it's very risky - there's potentially a language barrier, and there's a good possibility they are going to sell you a puppy that is just any puppy, not a pup that is the best fit for what you need.

I really, REALLY think you need to stop fixating on a certain "look", and what's available right now, and instead get out to some dog shows, or connect with the nearest chapter club (go to www.dpca.org and click on chapter clubs). The good breeders in your area can help you. Believe, a well bred adult Doberman is very intimidating. My two are both on the smaller side of standard and they can scare the heck out of people - it happens all the time, even though they both are quite friendly to people who are friendly to them. (Both have shown their ability to protect and detect when something is wrong - we had an intruder across the street jump my neighbors fence and both my dogs alerted to him in a way I've never heard them do to anything else...that's how I saw the guy and was able to call the police).


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Tamás Dohóczki (Karpatia) is a respected Dobermann Conformation and IPO judge. He is not one of the many fly by night European breeders that frequently export to North America. Now, having said that, as some of the others mention there are definite advantages to having a breeder close by for support since you are not experienced.
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Hi can you please recommend me a good EURO breeder from Canada? I really like this breeder https://www.roulettesdobermans.com/ but seems like the website hasn't been updated for quite sometime, and i didnt get an asnwer to my email i send them. Thanks
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Hi can you please recommend me a good EURO breeder from Canada? I really like this breeder https://www.roulettesdobermans.com/ but seems like the website hasn't been updated for quite sometime, and i didnt get an asnwer to my email i send them. Thanks
Did you read any of the other replies to this thread?
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Hi can you please recommend me a good EURO breeder from Canada? I really like this breeder https://www.roulettesdobermans.com/ but seems like the website hasn't been updated for quite sometime, and i didnt get an asnwer to my email i send them. Thanks
It feels like you aren't actually reading or trying to learn how to distinguish good from bad breeders.

I'd frankly rather see you buy from the breeder in Europe you linked (given that Kansa has said they breed good dogs) than continue trying to find a Euro breeder in Canada, as they are going to be few and far between.

Again, I really, really think you need to step back and actually try and understand what you are buying, but if you aren't going to do that, I guess try and buy one of the puppies from that litter. At least it would be better than all the subpar breeders you're finding.
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Tamas is amazing with the best temperaments I’ve come across in Euro Dobes I currently own a female from this exact litter and she is the best dobe I’ve ever owned.
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In the US one would contact the AKC and submit pedigree, proof of rabies, pictures from the side and front, $125 and breeder's information along with your application.
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