european breeder California - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums
Breeding and Breeders Know a good Breeder? Are you a Breeder? Please post here and let us know

 7Likes
  • 2 Post By MaryAndDobes
  • 1 Post By Rosamburg
  • 1 Post By MaryAndDobes
  • 1 Post By dzsolow
  • 2 Post By Cressrb
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-26-2018, 08:42 PM Thread Starter
Lil Pup
 
dzsolow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 4
Location: Patterson, CA
Dogs Name: Torque
Titles: no
Dogs Age: 3
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit dzsolow's Gallery
Thanks: 3
Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Images: 2
 
european breeder California

Earlier this year we lost our european female to DCM. She came from a bredder in California. We are now looking at getting another European female for our home. We have a male 3 year old American red. I did a search of the web site and could not find anything on the forums. I found a breeder around me but don't see any reviews. She said both parents are tested for DCM and are clear.
https://www.eurodobermannofcalifornia.com/
This is the link to the web site. Has anyone had any experience with this breeder?

Thanks for any help
dzsolow is offline  
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-26-2018, 11:14 PM
Extraordimary
 
MaryAndDobes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,872
Location: Ontario, Canada
Dogs Name: Moxie, Copper & Wicca
Titles: Yes
Dogs Age: 12, 11 & 7
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit MaryAndDobes's Gallery
Thanks: 0
Thanked 16,647 Times in 3,263 Posts
                     
What compelling reason do you see to consider them? Because I didn't see anything.

Have you spent some time on this resource? Buying Guide - Glengate Reg'd Doberman Pinschers
Cressrb and dzsolow like this.

MaryAndDobes is offline  
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to MaryAndDobes For This Useful Post:
4x4bike ped (04-27-2018), Cressrb (04-27-2018), falnfenix (04-27-2018), greenkouki (04-28-2018), Rosemary (04-26-2018)
post #3 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-26-2018, 11:26 PM Thread Starter
Lil Pup
 
dzsolow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 4
Location: Patterson, CA
Dogs Name: Torque
Titles: no
Dogs Age: 3
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit dzsolow's Gallery
Thanks: 3
Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Images: 2
 
Thank you. I could not find any info on them. That's what made me ask on here. I am just trying to do all my homework so I can get in touch with a great breeder. I do not want to have to go through losing another Doberman to DCM. 5 years old was to young. I want to do this the right way.
dzsolow is offline  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to dzsolow For This Useful Post:
4x4bike ped (04-27-2018), Cressrb (04-27-2018), MeadowCat (04-27-2018), melbrod (04-27-2018)
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-27-2018, 02:54 AM
Alpha
 
Rosamburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,069
Location: WA State
Dogs Name: Cairo vom Shattenfell IPO3 (X5), S'lichobor Gvadalahara Sch3 X6 (RIP Hara),
Titles: IPO3, ZTP SG1A,
Dogs Age: 10.5
Gallery Pics: 3
Visit Rosamburg's Gallery
Thanks: 776
Thanked 5,808 Times in 1,643 Posts
Images: 3
                     
Most of their dogs come from Altobello, the largest Doberman puppy mill in Europe. They mention the ability to work, but none of their dogs have working titles. I see no reason to support them.
dzsolow likes this.
Rosamburg is offline  
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Rosamburg For This Useful Post:
Brandy&Melanie (05-07-2018), Cressrb (04-27-2018), elly (04-27-2018), falnfenix (04-27-2018), MeadowCat (04-27-2018)
post #5 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-27-2018, 10:28 AM Thread Starter
Lil Pup
 
dzsolow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 4
Location: Patterson, CA
Dogs Name: Torque
Titles: no
Dogs Age: 3
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit dzsolow's Gallery
Thanks: 3
Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Images: 2
 
Thank you this was the kind of info I was looking for. I don't know about the breeders in Europe.
dzsolow is offline  
post #6 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-27-2018, 10:35 AM
Super Moderator
 
greenkouki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 15,029
Location: SC

Gallery Pics: 77
Visit greenkouki's Gallery
Thanks: 19,923
Thanked 31,022 Times in 9,995 Posts
Images: 77
                     
Click here to find out how greenkouki became a supporter
Why do you want a European doberman? There are not many reputable breeders in the US breeding European (show) lines because they can not be shown to gain meaningful titles here. Most "Euro" breeders are importing dogs already titled and just breeding them to sell pets because of the current "Euro" hype. The Eastern European show bred dogs a lot of people are attracted to come from very large commercial kennels that do not do a lot of health testing. If it's health you're concerned about you will be able to find an American show line pedigree with health testing and causes of death that goes back many generations.
greenkouki is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to greenkouki For This Useful Post:
Cressrb (04-27-2018), dzsolow (04-27-2018), Rosemary (04-27-2018)
post #7 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-27-2018, 11:38 AM
Extraordimary
 
MaryAndDobes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,872
Location: Ontario, Canada
Dogs Name: Moxie, Copper & Wicca
Titles: Yes
Dogs Age: 12, 11 & 7
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit MaryAndDobes's Gallery
Thanks: 0
Thanked 16,647 Times in 3,263 Posts
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by dzsolow View Post
She said both parents are tested for DCM and are clear.
You do realize that the breeder is probably talking about one or both of the DNA tests, and that being "clear" is not an indication that those parents won't develop the disease, and neither is it an indication that the puppies will or won't. The 2 DNA tests that we have for DCM at this time are just 2 pieces of a big puzzle. It is 2 genes amongst many, and no one knows why dogs who are clear might still develop the disease and why dogs who aren't live to be 14 and never develop it. So, responsible breeders do the tests to help with the research but they also have regular cardiac ultrasounds on their breeding dogs, plus regular Holter monitors. And some also do BNP testing. When someone has done ALL of those things with good results, it is more clear to call the dog "normal" with the understanding that normal can change at any time, which is why many breeders will say "Cardiac ultrasound normal - July 2017" indicating when the test was done. For instance, this is how I list out the cardiac testing for one of my dogs:

DNA test for the PDK4 mutation Positive Heterozygous
DNA test for DCM2 mutation - Positive Heterozygous
Normal - July 2014 (Dr. O'Sullivan / OVC)
Normal - June 2015 (Dr. O'Sullivan / OVC)
0 VPCs - April 2016 (Holter monitor result)
Normal - September 2016 (Dr. O'Sullivan / OVC)
4 VPCs in 24 hours - July 2017 (Holter monitor results)
Normal - February 2018 (Dr. O'Sullivan / OVC)

It's a bigger picture, and it gives you an indication that, as a breeder, I continue to monitor cardiac health. As a breeder, I can give you that same information for the dam, grand dam, great grand dam, etc of that dog and for some of the other relatives. I purposely picked a dog that I own above that does not have Clear DNA results to show you that, imo, it's more important to have a bigger picture than just a one-time clear DNA result that doesn't even tell you whether the dog will or won't develop DCM.

Anyway, your original post makes me think that you're uber focused on DCM considering that you just lost a girl to DCM. I'm sorry for that. I know that some people seem to feel that European Dobermans are "healthier". They're not. This problem is everywhere, and I do just want to share this European information. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20202106
The prevalence is just as strong there as in north America.
dobebug likes this.

MaryAndDobes is offline  
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to MaryAndDobes For This Useful Post:
Cressrb (04-27-2018), dobebug (04-27-2018), dzsolow (04-27-2018), falnfenix (04-27-2018), Fitzmar Dobermans (05-07-2018), MeadowCat (04-27-2018), melbrod (04-27-2018), Rosemary (04-27-2018)
post #8 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-27-2018, 05:11 PM Thread Starter
Lil Pup
 
dzsolow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 4
Location: Patterson, CA
Dogs Name: Torque
Titles: no
Dogs Age: 3
Gallery Pics: 2
Visit dzsolow's Gallery
Thanks: 3
Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Images: 2
 
I want to thank everyone for your help on this. I was set on getting another Euro female. Because that was what our doberman we lost was. I am now going to look for a American Doberman from a great breeder in California, Nevada or Oregon area. I want to give our next doberman the best chance at a long healthy life. Now to find a great breeder in these areas. Any help on great breeders would be great. I joined this forum for help and I am not disappointed.
LadyDi likes this.
dzsolow is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to dzsolow For This Useful Post:
falnfenix (05-04-2018)
post #9 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-27-2018, 05:40 PM
Alpha
 
Cressrb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,832
Location: Utah
Dogs Name: Irongates East of the Sunrise, aka 'Jada' CGC, WAC, GrCh. Cha-Rish Mine To Imagine, WAC
Titles: CGC, CH. WAC GCH
Dogs Age: DOB:5/21/12, 1/26/15
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Cressrb's Gallery
Thanks: 10,540
Thanked 6,664 Times in 2,222 Posts
                     
Click here to find out how Cressrb became a supporter
You might call Eve Auch of Irongate Dobermans in Truckee, Ca. She is on the DPCA breeders list. She does not have a web site. I believe she has a litter on the ground.
We have two of her Dobermans, a six and and eight year old. I know there are other good breeders in Cal and Nev and Ore. that people could refer you.
Best of luck and I am so glad you are doing your homework here and willing to learn.
whitesocks and dzsolow like this.

"Lots of people talk to animals...Not very many listen, though...That's the problem. " ~ The Tao of Pooh
Cressrb is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Cressrb For This Useful Post:
dzsolow (04-27-2018), falnfenix (05-04-2018), MeadowCat (04-27-2018)
post #10 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-27-2018, 06:49 PM
Big Lil pup
 
4x4bike ped's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 5,816
Location: Portland, OR
Dogs Name: Foxfire's The Real McCoy (McCoy)
Titles: Pet of the Year
Dogs Age: DOB 9/12/14
Gallery Pics: 9
Visit 4x4bike ped's Gallery
Thanks: 15,298
Thanked 13,787 Times in 4,751 Posts
Images: 9
                     
Hi dz and welcome from the Pacific NW!

Our last 3 boys have come from Foxfire in Southern Or. Our next will most likely also.

Here is their website:
Foxfire Dobermans - Breeder-Owner of AKC Top Producing Doberman Pinschers

They also have a large following on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FoxfireDobermans/

They are in Wolf Creek/Sunny Valley OR, straight up I-5 about 450 miles north of you.

You might want to check them out. Like most reputable breeders, should you consider a Foxfire Doberman, prepare to be put on a wait list.

Best of luck in your search!

John
Portland OR
4x4bike ped is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to 4x4bike ped For This Useful Post:
Cressrb (04-27-2018)
post #11 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-28-2018, 10:06 AM
Super Moderator
 
greenkouki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 15,029
Location: SC

Gallery Pics: 77
Visit greenkouki's Gallery
Thanks: 19,923
Thanked 31,022 Times in 9,995 Posts
Images: 77
                     
Click here to find out how greenkouki became a supporter
If you have a Facebook check out the "doberman pinscher breeder listings" group as well.
greenkouki is offline  
post #12 of 14 (permalink) Old 05-03-2018, 08:18 PM
Lil Pup
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 1
Dogs Name: Tell us your dogs name

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit heffalump's Gallery
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
 
I've reached out with thoughtful emails and a facebook message to Irongate and FoxFire but I'm not getting any responses. acutally in general, im having issues getting breeders to respond, we had the same issues when getting our ragdolls.

how would you recommend engaging with breeders? A phone call? We did hear back from one breeder, aldercrest, but they refused to sell us a dog unless we titled the dog in Schutzhund, which we're not sure we want to do

Thanks!
heffalump is offline  
post #13 of 14 (permalink) Old 05-07-2018, 12:31 PM
Alpha
 
Cressrb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,832
Location: Utah
Dogs Name: Irongates East of the Sunrise, aka 'Jada' CGC, WAC, GrCh. Cha-Rish Mine To Imagine, WAC
Titles: CGC, CH. WAC GCH
Dogs Age: DOB:5/21/12, 1/26/15
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Cressrb's Gallery
Thanks: 10,540
Thanked 6,664 Times in 2,222 Posts
                     
Click here to find out how Cressrb became a supporter
I really do not think Eve Auch is on Facebook, nor does she have a web site. You can email or or phone her and she will always respond.

"Lots of people talk to animals...Not very many listen, though...That's the problem. " ~ The Tao of Pooh
Cressrb is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Cressrb For This Useful Post:
falnfenix (05-08-2018)
post #14 of 14 (permalink) Old 05-07-2018, 06:28 PM
BYB Hunter
 
Brandy&Melanie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,058
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Dogs Name: Gentry's Northern Rose "Juneau", and GrCh Gentry's Pretty in Pink: "Molly"
Titles: Can. GrCh (Molly), CGN (Brandy- RIP)
Dogs Age: 1 year (Juneau) and 5 years (Molly
Gallery Pics: 1
Visit Brandy&Melanie's Gallery
Thanks: 9,144
Thanked 2,434 Times in 683 Posts
Images: 1
                     
Click here to find out how Brandy&Melanie became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by heffalump View Post
how would you recommend engaging with breeders? A phone call?
Definitely a phone call! Sometimes they get spammed with a lot of emails like "i want a puppy, how much" and they just learn to ignore them. Definitely call with a "puppy resume" ready, meaning you are prepared to say why you want a puppy, why you would be a great owner, what your plans are with the pup, dog experience, etc.)

"Whenever I hear somebody talk about a horse being stupid, I figure it's a sure sign that the animal has somehow outfoxed them."
- Tom Dorrance

RIP Brandy, thank you for being all I could ever ask for


Doberman Club of Canada:
www.dpcc.ca
Brandy&Melanie is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Brandy&Melanie For This Useful Post:
MeadowCat (05-08-2018)
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome