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So, you plan on conformation showing or putting higher level working titles on your dogs? That is the only way to know if you're improving the breed or not for sure, to have outside judges rate your dogs against others.

And, of course, you plan to health test your stock so you, too, can offer some assurances to your puppy buyers about the health of your puppies?

You will need a mentor to help you along.

Here's a listing of DPCA breeders: DPCA | The Doberman | Breeder Referral
I too am looking for a Doberman Puppy. I just lost my boy of 11 years to bone Cancer. I have owned, trained Dobermans for over 40 years. I quit showing because of the politics. There is so much more to this breed that putting them in a show ring!!!!! The Dobermans that I had purchased for a so called rep breeders with outstanding references, I have had nothing but health issues and problems as well as very short life that are coming out of the conformation show breeders. I am looking for the Doberman Working class Dobes, Dobermans need a job, they want to please. I have not seen this in the confirmation show breeders.
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I've moved your post to a new thread...the thread you posted on was a few years old and your post would not get responses at the end of it.

Are you saying you are looking for working line breeders who are competing and titling their dogs in sports (as in, their dogs have titles like IPO2 or IPO3, or titles in French Ring, or Mondio)? If you are looking for dogs from working lines, that is perfectly acceptable to have that preference (without disparaging those who prefer show lines).


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I have no plans to show or compete my Doberman, The working class lines just have more of what I am looking for in a Doberman, I like there look and I think they have better structure, conformation, and bone structure that the conformation show lines. I need a Doberman with more substance than the refined conformation Doberman, I train for support for handicap, but this will be my personal Doberman, He goes every place I go.
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Working bred dogs are usually smaller and there is less emphasis on conformation with those breeders so you get a variety in physical appearance. If you want a heavy square well proportioned dog you will find that in an adult American show male.
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I too am looking for a Doberman Puppy. I just lost my boy of 11 years to bone Cancer. I have owned, trained Dobermans for over 40 years. I quit showing because of the politics. There is so much more to this breed that putting them in a show ring!!!!! The Dobermans that I had purchased for a so called rep breeders with outstanding references, I have had nothing but health issues and problems as well as very short life that are coming out of the conformation show breeders. I am looking for the Doberman Working class Dobes, Dobermans need a job, they want to please. I have not seen this in the confirmation show breeders.
I purchased my boy from a show breeder. I work him in OB and we are going to start agility soon. I have yet to see this issue. My boy has plenty of drive and is certainly eager to please. He lives to work. He considers the show ring work, and we certainly treat it that way. Yes, breed politics can be taxing but that doesn't make showing less important.

Beyond that, every breeder has health issues. When you get a doberman, you *know* it's there. Perhaps you're just not finding a breeder that is giving you what you desire?

Don't knock a show breeder and claim every show line dog doesn't have drive. You couldn't possibly be more wrong.


You want a working line dog with drive, but you don't plan to actually work the dog? That... that makes absolutely no sense. That caliber of dog would be miserable without something intense to channel it into.
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I have no plans to show or compete my Doberman, The working class lines just have more of what I am looking for in a Doberman, I like there look and I think they have better structure, conformation, and bone structure that the conformation show lines. I need a Doberman with more substance than the refined conformation Doberman, I train for support for handicap, but this will be my personal Doberman, He goes every place I go.

There are very few, and I mean VERY few working line dobes that have even decent structure, let alone better structure. I know this because I'm keeping my eye out for ones that do. Do you know much about form following function? Not trying to be mean this is a sincere question because I don't know you or how much you know. They also tend to lack bone structure because the smaller a working dog the more agile they can be for working. I'm not sure where you get that show lines are refined, maybe you're getting working lines confused with Euro show lines? Have you been to a show lately? The way you talk sort of sounds to me like BYB rhetoric where they show you a picture of a 10mo. old female American bitch compared to a 3 year old Euro male and then say American lines are refined.

May I ask what reputable breeders you purchased from? As hard as a breeder strives to create healthy lines/puppies sometimes you just draw the short straw.

A working line dobe is great at working. What they don't tend to be great at, until they're older anyways, is settling down. They want to work and they need to either be mentally working, or physically working. They also suffer from the same health issues as conformation dogs as well. If you're sure you're wanting a working dog the UDC has a breeder referral list on their website.

All dobes are amazing so good luck on your search.
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