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Charts- "Should I breed?" & comparing types of breeders

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Breeding dogs can make money. nothing wrong with that. If a person has a litter of Dobermans say a litter of 8 pups. Say they sell them for 2500 (many sell for more) that comes out to $20000.

Mikki is a Grand Champion and just outside the top 20 and very well could be there by April. I agree making money shouldn't be the main motive for breeding but some of us aren't made of money so it is good to have our show money and a little extra come back.

I have less then 10,000 total in Mikki so far, including entrance fees and handler fees. Mikki's initial cost also. Mikki came from a litter of 14. Which was her mother's first litter. So if Mikki had a similar litter and sold 13 of the pups keeping one for myself that would be $32,500 So including stud fees as well as ears, tails etc. I would still walk away with a sizeable profit.

Since Mikki is from two different lines we are planning on two breedings so as to obtain the best for our future show dog. Mikki's pups will be 3000 at least. I am not giving away that kind of quality.

There can be profit. Profit shouldn't be a bad thing for hard work. No breeder gets paid a wage for their long hours on the road, their sleepless nights at the whelping box, anxiety for a struggling pup, losing a female from complications. They don't get anything except what ever they make off the pups. I think they earn it. We have had two litters of pups from Our V1 ranked IPO 1 German Shepherd. So I'm not speaking google. I'm speaking personal experience.
 
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Breeding dogs can make money. nothing wrong with that. If a person has a litter of Dobermans say a litter of 8 pups. Say they sell them for 2500 (many sell for more) that comes out to $20000.
You seem to be speaking about best case scenarios, which I have found rarely happen when having a litter. Speaking for myself, I have bred or tried to breed 13 litters in 20 years. I made a profit on one. ONE! And that certainly did not make up for all of the losses on the other 12, which includes 2 that did not take and a singleton that died at 2 weeks.
 
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Rarely does a person have a singleton? Here's some numbers for you. As I said, I've bred or tried to breed 13 litters. The numbers produced? 5, 5, 5, 2, 2, 1, 2, 1 (which died), 9, 8 (1 died so 7), 8 (1 died so 7). And 2 missed. You're talking like everyone is having litters of 12, 13, 14. I don't even have to talk about dollars - do you really think I was raking it in on those numbers? But oh wait, that rarely happens ... Give me a break.
 
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first I never said nor intended that breeders are always making money. The statement on the chart says if you are doing it right you will not make money. That can be incorrect What I was saying is if a breeder makes money it doesn't mean they aren't doing things correctly. I don't begrudge a breeder the opportunity to make money from a litter in which they have invested so much into. Low count litters do happen but are not the normal. What are some of the things that affect litter counts? Age of the bitch, AI Especially frozen, fertility problems, etc. I took a polls on multiple sites today just to get some numbers. Two people told me that they had single digit litters. One was an AI litter the other didn't respond to private message to talk specifics. I have not bred a litter of Dobermans for over 25 years so I won't talk them. I have bred 2 litters of German Shepherds (not going to compare them to Dobermans) took the total number that everyone told me then divided them by the number of litters and came to an average of 9.7 With several litters of over 10 and a total of 4 litters of 5 or below. The number I used was 8. But remember my point was that a breeder may make money but I felt if they did they earned it.
 
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FWIW, I used to do a little analysis of the Canadian (CKC) Doberman studbook every year for the DPCC newsletter. I seem to recall that the average litter size was ~5.8
Of course, all breeders might not have reported puppies who died or may not have reported others for some unknown reason. But it's a much larger sample size, year after year, than asking some buddies on the internet this afternoon.

BTW, I also agree strongly with Mary Jo's post. My practices are pretty similar.
 
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Well I am not a breeder but to those that are.... just know......as an owner ...I really appreciate everything our breeders do for us Humans and our dogs.
It appears to me once we take possession of our pups... your job is not over.
You continue to help your customers with their dogs and in my opinion you deserve every penny that you have collected.
Loyal to your profession, your dogs, and customers.
I wish I could be with dogs all day and get paid for it.....much easier than working with Humans all day !!! LOL
Anyway I really appreciate everything breeders do for us!!! Hats off to all of you out there!!!
 
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