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Registration and Health Testing documents

We'll start with AKC documents.

First off, this is the form you should get when you pick your pup up from the breeder.
AKC application by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

If you don't get that actual form (there are sometimes legitimate reasons) then you should get documentation from the breeder on all the information contained on it, and the reason why they don't yet have the application forms for this litter.

These are examples of the type of certificate you will get after you fill out and submit the above form:

Full Registration
AKC full by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

Full Registration on a dog from a Breeder of Merit
AKC full Breeder of Merit by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

Limited Registration
AKC limited by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

There is also a Conditional Registration, on which more information can be found here Conditional Registration - American Kennel Club
AKC conditional by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

To go along with your registration certificate, you can also get a Certified Pedigree:

Regular Certified Pedigree
AKC certified pedigree by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

Conditional Certified Pedigree
AKC Conditional pedigree by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

There are also a few other AKC certificates you might see:

Purebred Alternative Listing (formerly called Indefinite Listing Privilege or ILP) Purebred Alternative Listing (PAL) - American Kennel Club
AKC PAL by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

^^ This is NOT a registration certificate. In fact, the dog is supposed to be altered to be eligible for a PAL.

Canine Partners Listing
AKC Canine Partners by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

^^ Also NOT a registration certificate. This is for mixed breed dogs, or dogs that are not an AKC Recognized, Miscellaneous, or Foundation Stock Services breed. You are allowed to list up to two AKC/FSS breeds on your application (there are a lot of duel registered Am Staff/APBT, which is why Lily's says Am Staff), but your dog will be listed as an "All American" on entry forms and title certificates.

For more info on any AKC certificate, you can check their website and/or contact them directly. American Kennel Club - The Dog's Champion - American Kennel Club


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Now, on to health testing. These are examples of Orthopedic Foundation for Animals certificates, which are the most common here in the US. Orthopedic Foundation for Animals

Any certificates not marked "Example" are deliberately for breeds other than Doberman Pinscher.

First off, hips.
OFA hip by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

Elbows.
OFA Elbow by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

Since dentition is important in Dobermans (the AKC standard says that missing more than four teeth is a disqualification), a lot of breeders also have that certified, as well.
OFA Dentition by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

^^ Hips, elbows, and dentition are generally a "one and done" test.

Sometimes, you will see a Preliminary (Consultation) Report for hips or the like. These are usually because the dog is too young for a formal evaluation but the owner would like an idea of how the dog is developing, and are not considered an official rating.
OFA preliminary by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

The following tests should be updated annually:

Cardio
OFA cardio by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

Eyes
OFA eye by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

Thyroid
OFA thyroid by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

If a dog has had all the testing recommended by their parent club, then that dog will be entered into the Canine Health Information Center database, and be issued a CHIP certificate.
OFA CHIC by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

^^ It is important to note that, just because the dog has been issued a CHIC certificate, it does NOT necessarily mean that the dog actually passed or tested within normal limits, just that it has been tested.


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This is such a good idea Rosemary. I hope that this will be made a sticky somewhere--maybe in more than one place. Maybe breeders, puppies and Dobermans.

So many people have never seen any of these certificates, don't know what they mean if they even have seen them and it's one way of keeping breeders honest (not that you have to keep the better breeders honest but there are a bunch of not so good breeders who don't provide even copies of various certifications for parents health and sometimes even proof that they are registered.)

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In addition to OFA certificates, a breeder should also have on hand copies of the actual lab results for things like thyroid testing (from places like IDEXX or MSU), as well as copies of the holter and echo results from a veterinary cardiologist.

Canadian dogs might have a hip rating from the Ontario Veterinary College program, instead of an OFA rating. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3524811/

Dogs from the European continent should have a European rating. https://www.bva.co.uk/uploadedFiles/...hd-schemes.pdf


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~~Requiescat In Pace~~
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
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This is such a good idea Rosemary. I hope that this will be made a sticky somewhere--maybe in more than one place. Maybe breeders, puppies and Dobermans.
This thread is to replace the previously stickied one, which, thanks to Photobucket changing their policies, lost most of the pictures.
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~~Requiescat In Pace~~
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
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I've stickied this new thread and "unstickied" the other one.


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Thank you for posting this! Now we know what to look for!
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Learn something everyday...I didn’t know there was such a thing as a conditional registration.
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Learn something everyday...I didn’t know there was such a thing as a conditional registration.
Yeah, they started that after DNA became more common. Usually, it's because the sire of record turned out to not be the actual sire. The Frequently Used Sires program is responsible for a lot of that.


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More registration certificates from various organizations:

First off, a quick mention of the AKC's Foundation Stock Services, which is a record keeping service for various in recognized breeds. Most of them are what are considered rare breeds in the US, even if they are quite popular in their home country.
AKC FSS-Certificate by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

The United Kennel Club is another registry in the US. It sometimes gets a bad rap, because it will give full registration to a dog on AKC Limited Registration, but it is a legitimate registry. A lot of dogs are duel registered with the AKC and the UKC, while others are only registered with the UKC. For a UKC dog, you might see the designation "PR" in their name, meaning that all their ancestors for at least three generations have been UKC registered dogs. As a note, I could NOT find a decent image of a UKC certificate, so if anyone has one they'd like to post, feel free to do so.

The Canadian Kennel Club is the registering body in Canada. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but per Canadian law, an animal can only be advertised (and sold) as a purebred if it is registered. It is the breeder's responsibility to ensure that the dog has a permanent ID (tattoo or microchip) before being sold, as well.

CKC registration certificate
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CKC Non-Breeding (equates to AKC's Limited)
CKC certificate non-breeding by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

Now, on to the other CKC, the Continental Kennel Club... more properly called the Cont. KC, they were formed mainly as an "industry" registry, and a way to get around the AKC's Frequently Used Sires Program and Limited Registration. They not only register purebred dogs, they register designer mixes, and are not considered a reputable registry. Look carefully at the two certificates, and see if you can spot the difference...

Cont. KC Registration Certificate by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

Cont. KC registration certificate by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

If you missed it, take a look at the parents names belong on the second certificate, and you'll see where it says "Original Stock". Wonder what that means? It means that a dog without known ancestors can be registered using a form stating that they look like the breed in question. And yes, you can register the offspring of your unknown dog.

Another "industry" registry is the American Pet Registry, Inc.
APRI registration certificate by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr


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~~Requiescat In Pace~~
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
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I believe we had a reminder in the other thread (or, if not, should have), that proper documentation is only ONE component of good, ethical breeding practices.


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This is a great post - good info!!
As a note, not all health testing will be submitted to OFA. Hips should be either OFA or Penn Hip, but thyroid, cardiac testing, blood work, VWD often is not. You should ask for copies of all tests & ask for the most recent tests. A Cardiac ultrasound and/or 24 hour holter monitor that is more than 1 1/2 to 2 years old is pretty much worthless. Cardiac testing, thyroid, and blood testing should all be recent within the past year.

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