Rosemary, I believe you are correct. They aren't titling or showing their dogs. I understand the worry in that. As far as skimpy goes, I have a very untrained eye. We are new to the dob-search and although I felt like I had done a decent amount of research on what to look for, something new is always mentioned that I am not sure of.
Here are some threads from this forum you could look through: https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...k-breeder.html https://rufflyspeaking.wordpress.com...er-ettiquette/
Quoting WorkingK9s, a member of this forum:
There have been a lot of breeder inquiries lately and some defensive people defending breeders whom they thought, or think, are reputable. So it begs the question, what qualifies a breeder as reputable.
Well, the answer is in the eye of the beholder mostly. Typically people on this forum would qualify a reputable breeder who does the following:
1. Health testing.
It is no shock that this is a breed that is plauged by more health problems than most. A breeder who doesn't health test cannot be reputable in my eyes. My own criteria for health testing is that brefore being bred a dog should have at minimum cardio tests (this has gotten more complicated but hopefully we are moving forward with progress), vWD and hips. That is minimum. I prefer also CERF, thyroid, elbows and liver bloodwork as well. For those breeders who say the pups have been checked... yes, the pups should have seen a vet at some point, but the majority of the health exams should belong to the parents.
2. Some kind of certification in a venue.
If you are looking at a working prospect, the parents of the litter should have working titles. If you are looking for a show prospect, the parents should be active in conformation shows. Just looking for a pet? Well, there are pet puppies in every litter so you are in luck! You can still get a pup from titled parents, usually for the same price as gimmick breeders. I.e. Family Dobes sells for 2500 with no ear crops and non-titled, or low titled parents. While there are always exceptions to the rules, in general breeders should be active in the venue that they are claiming to improve.
3. Few litters per year.
I would find it hard to believe that puppies get the appropriate amount of socialization if someone has more than 2-3 litters per year. Raising a litter takes a LOT of time. A lot. Raising many litters would probably do me in.
Anyways, when it looks like people are bashing breeders it is probably because some of these items are missing. There are a lot of really good breeders out there. Not all of the good ones are on this site. Not all of the breeders on this site are what I would call reputable. But again, it all comes down to what every individual wants or expects. These three categories are just my criteria when people ask me if breeders are reputable.
This was such a helpful post, and I greatly thank you! I was offered to be sent health tests on one of the females once they decide who is going to be bred for the Spring litter. I made sure to ask if any dogs had z-factors in their lineage also, so far its No's across the board. Health test wise, I am still learning on what to look for from a breeder.
I used those links, along with what the AKC recommended to ask a breeder to populate my email to these breeders.
As for what we want, I feel like its just a simple thing, but asking too much. A healthy male doberman that has a great temperament and doesn't come with a spay/neuter contract. I'm not going to lie, some of the breeders I have dealt with so far are just rude. I understand why breeders require their dog be neutered. They want their lines to stay pure and regulated, which can't be done if offspring is out in the world humping a poodle. But this is both of our dog, and that was his only requirement.
So honestly, I know we will get bashed for that, but what are we to do when that is what we want? It seems we are left to resort to "less than reputable" breeders who will allow. And when other people go to these less than reputable breeders for a dog and have great experiences with health/temperament of their puppies, its hard to ignore that..
As an ignorant person to the breeder's realm, I am geniunely asking. Why give up or change what we want? We both have spent the last year arguing over whether to get a Doberman or Rottweiler, and both agreed finally on a Doberman. This wasn't just a random decision for us. Unanimously wanted a male black&tan doberman. So in our position with what we want stated above, what would you have us do? I don't believe wanting a specific breed, or wanting our dog to be intact deems us as immediately bad pet parents? I have spent many years house sitting pets based of people's opinion of how I treat and care for animals. My boyfriend was given multiple dogs to care for while the owners went through tough times (divorces, etc) because they knew how great he was at caring for a dog. So where do we go from here if all reputable breeders will not sell to us because we don't want a spay/neuter contract?
(Which is what I was told by a breeder, who seemed offended by the questions I asked in the first place).