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Hello everyone! I'm looking for some guidance in finding my future dog. I have some rather specific needs so any recommendations would be very appreciated.

I am looking for a Service Dog prospect. As such, a dog from a breeder that does working titles and puts the emphasis on temperament and trainability is very important. I am also looking for a Euro line and a male because height/weight is a factor in my specific disability mitigating needs so the extra size is important.

Ideally I do not want a baby puppy like typical buyers. I'd like an older pup, 6 months
-1 year plus, that has already gone through the basics of house training, some polite leash walking, and vax. I was thinking maybe a show/competition dog that didn't quite have the conformation/drive and washed or a pup that needs to be re-homed? Or perhaps, are there breeders/trainer programs that sell older puppies with some basics done for an additional charge? The reason is I want to be able to focus on the bonding process and get right into training for Canine Good Citizen, the Public Access Test, and the 2 disability mitigating tasks. I would be finding and working with a trainer for this. I know this will be a 6 month minimum process and I don't want to extend the time by having a baby, as adorable as they are.

I don't mind traveling/transporting so location is not an issue. I have been saving up so I plan to pay close, if not more, to fully priced pups of $1500-$3000. If training has been done I know it could be significantly more which I am also prepared for. I'm not looking for a 'deal' buy getting an older puppy, just one that is old enough to begin his Service training and who the breeder thinks has the right personality and intellect to avoid a washout. I'm hoping to be in a position to buy sometime in the summer of 2019.

TL;DR : Looking for young male Service Dog prospect
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Just want to address the size part of your post - the American and European standards are very nearly identical...well bred European dogs aren't larger or "sturdier" than well bred American dogs. The show photos you see of American males are often of immature males, and of course the bone can vary. Sometimes you see heavier bone on Euro dogs, but you just as often see that they are kept heavier for show weight. They aren't any taller nor are they sturdier in terms of weight support.

Best of luck in your search. We do have at least one member with a service Dobe on here (Jaz with Creed...you can find threads). Creed is from Rebholzer Dobermans. Jaz is much more active on FB than on the forum, but you could try a PM.


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Just want to address the size part of your post - the American and European standards are very nearly identical...well bred European dogs aren't larger or "sturdier" than well bred American dogs. The show photos you see of American males are often of immature males, and of course the bone can vary. Sometimes you see heavier bone on Euro dogs, but you just as often see that they are kept heavier for show weight. They aren't any taller nor are they sturdier in terms of weight support.

Best of luck in your search. We do have at least one member with a service Dobe on here (Jaz with Creed...you can find threads). Creed is from Rebholzer Dobermans. Jaz is much more active on FB than on the forum, but you could try a PM.
That is fantastic to know about size and makes so much sense. I was looking up photos of some American show dogs and then working Euro lines and kept thinking some of the Americans looked so slight in comparison! If they are immature that would make a world of sense.
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That is fantastic to know about size and makes so much sense. I was looking up photos of some American show dogs and then working Euro lines and kept thinking some of the Americans looked so slight in comparison! If they are immature that would make a world of sense.
Are you sure you were looking at working line dogs and not show line dogs? As Meadowcat said, the standards are similar (differing by about an inch in height at the max), but a lot of European show line dogs are not only oversized, they are shown several pounds over their ideal weight.


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I'm going to stick my nose in here too. If you go and look at the actual standards for Euro and AKC Dobermans and I think there is a sticky to compare the most common Euro standard has disqualifying heights for Dobermans and AKC does not. But the height difference isn't significant.

And you should also know that the show line Euro dog are usually BIGGER/taller) than the working dogs who tend, not only to be shorter but tend to be kept in rock hard working weight while the show line dogs are often shown very fat--not just a few pounds fat.

Any of my AKC showline males have been able to act as dogs who could help me get up (I can't without some extra support get off my knees so for the last 30 years or so my dogs (even the Aussie who was under 26" would stand like rocks so I would use their shoulder to pry myself off the floor) The Dobes have ranged in height from 26 -7/8" to 28-1/2" the smallest dog weighed 75 pounds in working trim and the biggest weighs 85 pounds in working weight.

All of them--even the Aussie could keep me from falling IF I was close enough to reach them for help in balance.

Good luck in your search.

PS All of the Dobes learned to stand and let me use them to stand up by the time they were 5 or six months old. (the puppies tended to be 55 to 60 pounds at that point and I weighed at least twice what they did.
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I wanted to link you some past threads about service dogs:

https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...-dog-pics.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...-dobie-sd.html
https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...rvice-dog.html


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There are a couple of males available in this litter - nice working lines. Don't know if any have the temperament for service work, but might be worth an inquiry.
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