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Tail Docking w/rubber band

Hi, I know a breeder (former breeder) who was convinced of docking tails via rubber band, the guy brought his tools over and did it on his own puppy and then the "former breeder" allowed him to do it on 5 other dogs. 2 of the tails hadn't fallen off yet, well the people who took two the puppies took them to the vet (per the contract) and did not report back to the breeder as the contract says, instead they never contacted them and said anything was wrong with them making the contract null and void. He was registered with AKC to breed and only ever had TWO litters in the state of Arizona. My question is, does using a rubber band cause HARM to the dog? Is it cruel? Mind you in my state this is not an illegal action to do.
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Duno if it causes harm as I am not a dog with a tail.

Try it on your finger and as the flesh turns black and starts to rot you will know if pain is involved. I would bet it is very uncomfortable compared to surgical removal.

I personal would not want to do business with them but then again 40 years ago when I was a kid the guy next door had several litters and he bit the tails off.
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Umm... how old were these dogs when the procedure was done? If a breeder is going to do banding, they need to be applied when the pups are just a couple of days old, which is also the age when surgical docking is done.

FYI, the AKC doesn't register breeders. They register dogs. Anyone who hasn't had their AKC privileges suspended or revoked (which is darned hard to do, by the way) who owns a bitch on full registration and breeds her to a dog of the same breed, also on full registration, can register a litter.


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Duno if it causes harm as I am not a dog with a tail.

Try it on your finger and as the flesh turns black and starts to rot you will know if pain is involved. I would bet it is very uncomfortable compared to surgical removal.

I personal would not want to do business with them but then again 40 years ago when I was a kid the guy next door had several litters and he bit the tails off.
Biting the tails off a puppy! That is a new and i am not sure what to think of that. I could be in awe but i may have to ponder this one for a bit.
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It's much better done by a veterinarian. The risk of complication is lower. Banding can cause excess scar tissue exposed nerves (think tail dock neuroma) or an area with no hair on the skin.
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I've known a couple of breeders (neither of them still breeding today) who did tail banding and although they swore they'd never had a problem docking that way I know that at least a couple of puppies had to be redocked as adults because of significant problems that occurred with the banding process.

So for your question--does banding cause harm to the puppy--it can; but beyond the fact that virtually every state has regulations about non-vets (owners/breeders) performing operations (and banding is considered an operation--are you sure it is actually legal in Arizona?). Is it cruel? I know a lot of people who would certainly think so.
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I have never heard of banding puppies. We raised sheep and we did band tails and testicles. Never had an issue but we did it when they were very young and before they were turned out of the barn after lambing.
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