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RM Dobermans in Ontario Canada

Just a little rant...

So a few months ago, before I was well educated on the Doberman breed, I found RM Dobermans on Instagram. I believe they also go by Royal Majestic Dobermans. I became immersed with their pretty pictures and lost my better judgement.
As a very eager future Doberman owner, I contacted the breeder and was extremely close to putting down a deposit on an upcoming breeding. Due to miscommunication and seemingly rude emails from the breeder (thank goodness!), I decided against going with RM Dobermans.
Later, I also found out that the breeder of RM has bred a Z factored litter AND she places male Doberman pups in homes with other male dogs! I was appalled because I have done so much research on same sex aggression in the Doberman breed. I just feel awful for the people who are fooled by RM's flashy social media page and are paying upwards of $3,500+ for a poorly bred dog.

Now, after months of diligent research, I have found a terrific and reputable breeder. I am so thankful for this forum and for the people who are truly passionate about the breed (and dogs!). Now comes the hard part... waiting for the puppies to be born!

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i'm glad you decided against them. there are quite a few posts in this forum about them and their breeding practices. https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...bermantalk.com

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Is this the same kennel that used the Liberator dog at stud? How did they manage to get a Can Ch Monarch dog as well? If its a different kennel please let me know but why are 'reputable' breeders supporting this kennel??
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What breeder did you decide on? I'm in Ontario as well

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What breeder did you decide on? I'm in Ontario as well
I decided on Irongate from Eve Auch I was looking into Dobereich in Ontario, but the import regulations are extremely strict
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Terrible people to deal with, tried and persisted that I sign a contract with 0 info on the dog no litter#,no microchip #, and no go home date on THEIR contract. They were rude throughout the whole application process.... so bad that I forfeited my deposit. Completely unprofessional and felt like I was being scammed the whole time.

Avoid RM Dobermanís (Royal Majestic)
They are located in Tweed Ont.
The Owner is Olivia Harvey.
She is selling her dogs on kijiji because she is unreputable breeder!
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I also had a bad experience with them. Hereís the link to my story. I invite other people to share theirs.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/breedin...dobermans.html
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RMDobermans also operates under an incorporated company 10651095 CANADA INCORPORATED
A quick google search reveals it is registered to Philip John Farrugia who is on the RMDobermans instagram account
Olivia ďLIVĒ Farrugia
Their address is also found in the incorporated information if you search for it.
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"Hi all, my name is Lena, I just have registered on Doberman talk, however I have been reading post about breeders for some time now, because I, like some other people, would like to get a good pup. I live and NYC and I have been researching for over 3 month (reaserch is part of my job so I am very good at it) , I have been on the websites AKC , IDC and CKC, looked into offered breeders. And I have read posts from your site on a lot of them. On my own I came to a conclusion that there is no good kennel offered by AKC in 500 mile radius of my city, now I started looking out of state and came up onto RM Dobermans, and guess what now I am reading negative thing about them as well. This was my last resort. I have concluded that on Doberman talk people just talk. Because they have something negative to say about every single breeder that I looked into, but yet when you ask them to refer you to a good breeder from their point of view, everyone is quiet. Interesting isnít it.

For people who do research we all know that Yes the breeder does need to provide you with the information and health testing on their dogs, however it is not necessary for them to put it on their website, you can email or call and ask them about it, and if you live close go visit and talk to them personally.
You will never ever get a perfect genetic material and FYI the purer the bread, the more health problems it has. And even if nor mother or father carry any genetic mutation your dog can still develop them. You have to decide what you want a dog for and take a lip of faith in this case.
I found RMD thorough a guy on Instagram, I loved how his pup has a character and perfect ear crop, he told me he got his dog from a person who gets very few pups, but the father of his pup belongs to the RMD family. I looked through all RMDs followers and photos on Instagram , and guess what all her pups have charisma and character which made me consider emailing her, and I am currently talking and following to other people who got pups from her or whoever she refers them too, and it seems that everyone is happy.

So, ether provide us with a good and proper info regarding a good breeders, or stop talking **** just based on your observation, and limited conclusions.

Good luck to all trying to become an owner of a wonderful breed."
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I lost $500, as did two others
That isnít talking isht. Thatís a fact.
If you want to put your nose up RMDís ass, gíhead.

But facts are facts.
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Just got word from the CKC.....

Thank you for contacting The Canadian Kennel Club.

Our records do not reflect members with the surname Farrugia, nor do we have a reserved kennel name of RM or RMDobermans. If you can get more information on the breeders, we would be happy to check our records again.

If a dog was born and purchased within Canada, then the breeder/seller of the dog must provide the owner with a CKC registration certificate. The sire/dam of the dog must be CKC registered, the dogís litter must be registered as a group by the breeder/seller and subsequently each puppy would be individually registered.

All dogs must be permanently identified by either tattoo (tattoo series issued by the CKC to the breeder) or ISO standard microchip; the breeder must identify each puppy prior to the puppy leaving the breeder to go to their new home.

CKC Members should be following the CKC Code of Ethics and Code of Practice which can be found at these links to our website:

http://www.ckc.ca/en/Breeding-Dogs/C...ember-Breeders

http://www.ckc.ca/en/Files/Legal-Pol...Ethics-English

With regards,

Amie | Membership Services Representative | The Canadian Kennel Club



So there you go.
False advertising.
Fraud.
Iíve taken all the screen captures of their adís on kijiji
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Just got word from the CKC.....

Thank you for contacting The Canadian Kennel Club.

Our records do not reflect members with the surname Farrugia, nor do we have a reserved kennel name of RM or RMDobermans. If you can get more information on the breeders, we would be happy to check our records again.

If a dog was born and purchased within Canada, then the breeder/seller of the dog must provide the owner with a CKC registration certificate. The sire/dam of the dog must be CKC registered, the dogís litter must be registered as a group by the breeder/seller and subsequently each puppy would be individually registered.

All dogs must be permanently identified by either tattoo (tattoo series issued by the CKC to the breeder) or ISO standard microchip; the breeder must identify each puppy prior to the puppy leaving the breeder to go to their new home.

CKC Members should be following the CKC Code of Ethics and Code of Practice which can be found at these links to our website:

http://www.ckc.ca/en/Breeding-Dogs/C...ember-Breeders

http://www.ckc.ca/en/Files/Legal-Pol...Ethics-English

With regards,

Amie | Membership Services Representative | The Canadian Kennel Club



So there you go.
False advertising.
Fraud.
Iíve taken all the screen captures of their adís on kijiji
Here is 2 links to the CKC website showing I have been a member of the CKC since 2013

https://www.ckc.ca/Choosing-a-Dog/Pu...&breedcode=DBP

https://www.ckc.ca/Choosing-a-Dog/Pu...&breedcode=DBP


I called into CKC today and my current status and I am in "excellent standing"

Above accusations are unfounded and untrue, feel free to contact the ckc at 416-675-5511 to confirm.
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I lost $500, as did two others
That isnít talking isht. Thatís a fact.
If you want to put your nose up RMDís ass, gíhead.

But facts are facts.
All deposits are non-refundable as advertised without exception. If a buyer chooses to not purchase a puppy for any reason deposits are not returned as agreed from the onset.
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"Hi all, my name is Lena, I just have registered on Doberman talk, however I have been reading post about breeders for some time now, because I, like some other people, would like to get a good pup. I live and NYC and I have been researching for over 3 month (reaserch is part of my job so I am very good at it) , I have been on the websites AKC , IDC and CKC, looked into offered breeders. And I have read posts from your site on a lot of them. On my own I came to a conclusion that there is no good kennel offered by AKC in 500 mile radius of my city, now I started looking out of state and came up onto RM Dobermans, and guess what now I am reading negative thing about them as well. This was my last resort. I have concluded that on Doberman talk people just talk. Because they have something negative to say about every single breeder that I looked into, but yet when you ask them to refer you to a good breeder from their point of view, everyone is quiet. Interesting isnít it.

For people who do research we all know that Yes the breeder does need to provide you with the information and health testing on their dogs, however it is not necessary for them to put it on their website, you can email or call and ask them about it, and if you live close go visit and talk to them personally.
You will never ever get a perfect genetic material and FYI the purer the bread, the more health problems it has. And even if nor mother or father carry any genetic mutation your dog can still develop them. You have to decide what you want a dog for and take a lip of faith in this case.
I found RMD thorough a guy on Instagram, I loved how his pup has a character and perfect ear crop, he told me he got his dog from a person who gets very few pups, but the father of his pup belongs to the RMD family. I looked through all RMDs followers and photos on Instagram , and guess what all her pups have charisma and character which made me consider emailing her, and I am currently talking and following to other people who got pups from her or whoever she refers them too, and it seems that everyone is happy.

So, ether provide us with a good and proper info regarding a good breeders, or stop talking **** just based on your observation, and limited conclusions.

Good luck to all trying to become an owner of a wonderful breed."
Thank you for understanding forum politics, and I encourage a phone call from you anytime for a chat.
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I also had a bad experience with them. Hereís the link to my story. I invite other people to share theirs.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/breedin...dobermans.html
This individuals application for purchase was denied and communication was ceased. Individual later obtained an RM Doberman from kijiji that was on a strict non-rehoming contract, called our kennel swearing, being evasive and demanding documents in which she was not entitled not being the original purchaser/owner. (1 hour voice call recorded and available)
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Terrible people to deal with, tried and persisted that I sign a contract with 0 info on the dog no litter#,no microchip #, and no go home date on THEIR contract. They were rude throughout the whole application process.... so bad that I forfeited my deposit. Completely unprofessional and felt like I was being scammed the whole time.

Avoid RM Dobermanís (Royal Majestic)
They are located in Tweed Ont.
The Owner is Olivia Harvey.
She is selling her dogs on kijiji because she is unreputable breeder!
Individual had a very condescending attitude and short tempered. Individual was located out of province and the CKC used to require documents done in ink. I request that out of province buyers sign/send back all contracts and CKC documents via regular mail in ink as requested by CKC. I expected the individual would print the documents, sign, send regular post, and I would fill in the remaining information. Individual could not accept these terms. I will say that the CKC has changed processes allowing scanned and photocopied documents as they obviously identified a problem with the "in ink" rule.


Individual could not be given an exact go home date being located out of province and requiring shipping that can only be booked 48 hrs in advance of the actual flight. Individual could not accept these terms.

Individual forfeited deposit after reading misleading information coupled with a short temper.

I am a reputable breeder with the CKC, please call 416-675-5511 to verify my "In Excellent Standing".

I advertise my dogs on kijiji because in 2018 it makes sense, however I sell to who I feel is a suitable home.
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Is this the same kennel that used the Liberator dog at stud? How did they manage to get a Can Ch Monarch dog as well? If its a different kennel please let me know but why are 'reputable' breeders supporting this kennel??
Yes this is the same kennel that used a Liberator dog, Royal Majestics Lazy Daisy is the pup I kept back from that breeding. Reputable breeders are working with us because I have met their requirements. I have plans to breed again with a Liberator stud in 2019.

Yes I also have a Can Ch Monarch stud dog imported directly from Florida and titled here in Ontario, Canada. His name is Caddy he can be found here https://www.rmdobermans.ca/ch-monar8...war-cloud.html
Caddy's pedigree is full champions through and through https://www.rmdobermans.ca/caddy-pedigree.html
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I have given this thread my time and responded with the facts. I will not go back and forth in conversation beating a dead horse. There is plenty of incorrect/misleading information listed in this thread and I invite anyone to contact me ([email protected]) or the CKC directly (416-675-5511).

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