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In search of a gladiator Doberman pinscher

Hi my name is Ryan and I have been looking all over Washington and Portland side of oregon. Are there any breeders with gladiator Doberman puppies for sale under $1,000
In that general region may drive a couple hours farther. Located near Olympia, wa
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Or just as generally bigger bread Doberman bloodline. I'm newer to the Doberman scene but have been falling in love with them as that's all my close friend will ever own.
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I guess you have never heard of a Warlock Doberman ...that is brand most are looking for!
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Dobermans are dobermans, there is no such thing as a warlock, gladiator, king, etc... doberman.

They come in one size via the akc standard and are a medium sized breed (females 24-26" and males 26-28" tall at the shoulders/withers) and four colors, black/tan, red/tan, blue/tan, fawn/tan. Anything bigger or a different color is out of standard and not a correct representation of the breed.

Quality breeders sell their dogs for an average of $1500-2500 and that cost in inclusive of a well thought out breeding with a quality, generally healthy pedigree behind it, ears cropped, tails docked, shots started, some basic training and beginner socialization, and lifetime breeder support.

You might do best to look into getting a rescue pup (wait lists for puppies from rescue or breeder can be long) or young adult.

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Welcome to DT.

I'm sure there are plenty of people in that area breeding "Gladiator" (aka "Warlock", aka "Superior Sized", aka "Giant", all catchwords for "over-sized") Dobes, but none of them would be recommended by anyone here. Instead, all the recommended breeders will be aiming for dogs who fit the standard, which is 24 to 26 inches tall for bitches, and 26 to 28 inches tall for dogs (and don't believe the "Euros are bigger" hype when people talk about their 30 to 34 inch tall Dobermans, as the FCI standard calls for bitches to be 24.8 to 26.7 inches tall, and dogs to be 26.7 to 28.3 inches tall). Also, none of the breeders we recommend would be likely to have puppies for under $1000.

If you are really interested in having an oversized dog, why not look into getting a rescue? By adopting an adult, you can be guaranteed the size you want, and the adoption fee will likely only be a few hundred dollars, which is well within your price range.


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please rescue instead of supporting horrible breeders with your money. please.

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I am sure there are people out there that would be glad to sell you a "Gladiator" Doberman, and happily separate you from your money. Truth is, there is no such thing. There are OVERSIZED Dobermans, poorly bred, prone to injuries...

The reality is that if you find a so called "Gladiator" Doberman you are being scammed. Try a breeder that breeds for health, longevity, temperament and overall quality. A breeder that Titles and health tests, sends puppies home with ears cropped, well socialized and gives them the best possible start. A breeder that will be there for you anytime you have a question, and issue, or????

Believe me, the 27-1/2", 95# boy in my signature is a force to be reckoned with and in addition he is going to outrun and outmaneuver any "gladiator", "warlock" or oversized Doberman, out there.


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Awesome thank you I am just having a hard time finding any. I would provide the best home possible and would really like to raise the puppy. 95# would be perfect size. Just struggling to have the upfront hefty costly ones. Just slim breeders with puppies online. I can't find hardly any..
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I'll bear a little more bad news--along with the fact that there aren't really any such thing as "Gladiator" Dobermans (just as you've been told--just oversized dogs which isn't really a good thing in a breed subject to many health issues that "oversized" only tends to make much worse) many, many Doberman breeders don't advertise on line--but rather rely on word of mouth.

Probably the best way to find decent breeders is to go to some of the local dog shows. But with your monetary limit of $1,000 you might go through rescue and find yourself a "starter" Doberman and see if you could give a dog a break and a home and save your money while you have that dog so you can afford to go to a good breeder the next time you are dogless.

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Really, the purchase price is a drop in the bucket compared to the life-long cost of owning a dog. While anyone can simply slap two dogs together and call it a day, to be a good breeder isn't easy, nor is it cheap. This thread https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...ed-my-dog.html has some charts that talk about various "types" of breeders out there.

To be a good breeder, a person gets out there with their dogs. They compete in conformation and/or performance events, and actually title their dogs. They do the recommended health testing on their breeding dogs (and make sure that any outside dog they breed to is titled and tested, as well). Some tests are "one and done", like hip rating and vWD, but others are annual expenses. Blood panels for kidney, liver, and thyroid levels, as well as holtering and echoes (a heart condition is the number one killer of Dobermans) should be done every year.

People who say that "showing is nothing but who you know", or that they "want to show, but don't have the time and/or money", or who "don't have any health problems in their lines" are not people you should be getting a puppy from.

When my spayed mutt has more "official" titles than a "breeder's" entire compliment of breeding stock, they are not someone you should be getting a puppy from.

There are several good breeders up your way. There are also lots and lots of dogs in rescue that need a good home.


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Take a look at getting a rescue, many get oversized dobes coming in.
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So I have found a litter but they are quite a distance. We have meeting arrangements set up I just have to pick out a puppy I have three to choose from but not sure what puppy traits would be good to look for and personalities for Doberman puppies. Anyone have any opinions on what traits and good for a family Doberman when not getting to meet them first?
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Let the breeder know what your expectations are for your potential puppy. Reputable breeders will make an effort to match their pups with an owner who will do best with that pup's personality- very rarely will you be able to pick whatever puppy you please. Show prospects, high-energy, high drive, laid-back- each puppy should be placed appropriately by the breeder, depending on what the owner will do with the dog.
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Did you receive copies of all the health testing on the parents? If not, you are likely to be buying some serious potential for heartbreak. I'd be very surprised if a reputable breeder was giving you choice of three puppies.

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Where you live, if you're not tripping over good breeders, you're not looking in the right places. Really. Some of the best breeders in the US are the PacNW.

Get out to a dog show, observe the dogs you like, and (after they're done in the ring!) introduce yourself to the handlers to find out about the dog they're handling. That should get you pointed in the right direction.

Also, if you don't understand how to evaluate a puppy without asking total strangers on the internet, I would hardly recommend winging it with a Doberman litter.



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So I have found a litter but they are quite a distance. We have meeting arrangements set up I just have to pick out a puppy I have three to choose from but not sure what puppy traits would be good to look for and personalities for Doberman puppies. Anyone have any opinions on what traits and good for a family Doberman when not getting to meet them first?
I fear you are about to be bigtime scammed.

And it will probably go okay, for a while. Puppies are cute. Until.

Until the first major problem comes up, and you discover that breeder is gone with the wind and with your money.

Until you discover, as the pup matures a bit, that the pup has a nervy, fretful, unpleasant temperament and you can't do a lot of the fun things you'd wanted to do with the pup, not safely anyway.

Until you find out your four or five year old Doberman now needs upwards of $400 a month in medications...




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