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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 09-07-2015, 08:21 AM Thread Starter
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My little rant on some breeders

I have been looking for a Doberman puppy for around two months now. I have been doing my due diligence and holistically doing research on good and bad breeders trying to find a breeder that I clicked with and felt right. Thankfully I found a breeder that I like and will be picking up my pup in the first week of November.

Anyways, Some breeders I contacted did not have a website or had a very rudimentary website which is fine, I would expect that. What is not fine is I send them a email with paragraphs and number the questions I ask since they have no website or information readily available. What I found uncomfortable was out of the questions I asked (between 5-8) they would answer ONLY questions about payment and how I can reserve a puppy. And in one e-mail, one breeder stated she had a lot of interest in a new litter, but no deposits. I just wanted to type back probably because it seems you only care about money and that you answered none of my questions about health testing, health guarantees, or what is done for the puppy in terms of vaccinations before pick up.

That is just my little rant. I do not know how people can be breeders and not give out basic information to potential clients. I know answering questions can be tedious especially questions that you have been asked countless times, but as a provider of a dog you need to answer them, or type out a FAQ sheet and send it to everyone who asks.

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Doesn't sound like u were contacting reputable breeders.
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Exactly what JDD said. You definitely were emailing people that were not reputable.

When I was contacting KNOWN reputable breeders; I sent a long email telling them about myself, family, what we were looking for, our experience with Dobermans and why I was interested in them as a breeder. What I got back was an equally long and informative email from the breeder.
Unfortunately, we ended up not going with one of these breeders because I was basically handed a pup that needed a home.

But my point is a reputable breeder's intial contact back to you in not about payment information. While questions to the breeder is awesome, don't forgot to tell them about yourself and family, etc.

Are you sure the breeder you chose to go with is reputable?


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Reputable breeders don't want your money until they have checked you out to make sure you are a home they will sell to.
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The one breeder I'm talking about has been recommended on this forum, though they weren't on the DPCA... Not like I found them off craigslist.
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When you want a puppy, 2 months seems long but I can tell you, it's not nearly long enough to have done your research on the dogs, the breeders, their lines,... Although I trust the breeders I've reached out to I will still do my research on the lines they breed to before putting down the deposit.

Reputable breeders are traveling for shows, taking care of the pets, training, caring for litters, most have full time jobs... It could easily take 2 weeks to maybe a month to hear back. Not because they're rude but because they're busy. Staying persistent is key.

Unless you struck gold it worries me a tad bit that a breeder had a puppy for you instead of putting you on a waiting list. The stars can align and they might have a puppy (it did for me but I actually was the one not ready) but that doesn't happen too often. Is this someone who competes with their dogs? Is this someone testing hips, eyes, vWD status, thyroid, HOLTER and echoing (to start) and have you seen the results?

Just want to make sure you've made the right decision and not a "I need a puppy right now!" decision like I did. Best of luck with your newest family member!
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When you want a puppy, 2 months seems long but I can tell you, it's not nearly long enough to have done your research on the dogs, the breeders, their lines
Amen. If I only knew back then what I know now and even now, I'm still learning.



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If you give your general location maybe somebody can point you to an upcoming show in your area.

You can take note of the dogs you liked, talk to the handlers/breeders(after they're done w/the ring) go home and research the dogs on sites like dobequest.org and OFFA (both links in my sig below plus some other helpful ones).

Many sought after breeders of good repute don't keep websites, and even then if they do often aren't updated.
I would not judge a breeder based off a fancy extremely updated site.

Please don't be in a hurry, do your homework, and buy carefully. The breed desperately needs informed buyers to support the good breeders out there who are trying to do things right.

It takes time to be able to parse which ones out of all the names, even big names, are doing those things.
THEN you have to be able to click w/the person. It's like aligning stars if you're going about it the best way possible.

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Some may spend time on their own dogs and puppies and are busy. If you have a list of questions, it would be best to call and ask, not email a list. Just a suggestion. Use the DPCA breeder referral list. When they don't have pups, they will usually refer you to someone that does.
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If you give your general location maybe somebody can point you to an upcoming show in your area.

You can take note of the dogs you liked, talk to the handlers/breeders(after they're done w/the ring) go home and research the dogs on sites like dobequest.org and OFFA (both links in my sig below plus some other helpful ones).

Many sought after breeders of good repute don't keep websites, and even then if they do often aren't updated.
I would not judge a breeder based off a fancy extremely updated site.

Please don't be in a hurry, do your homework, and buy carefully. The breed desperately needs informed buyers to support the good breeders out there who are trying to do things right.

It takes time to be able to parse which ones out of all the names, even big names, are doing those things.
THEN you have to be able to click w/the person. It's like aligning stars if you're going about it the best way possible.
Going to shows is a great idea! I haven't seen a dobe that I didn't think was beautiful at the shows but I learned there are A LOT of looks and they aren't all for me. I have also seen pix of dogs and thought they were beautiful until I saw them in person. Still very beautiful but not the look I want.
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Going to shows is a great idea! I haven't seen a dobe that I didn't think was beautiful at the shows but I learned there are A LOT of looks and they aren't all for me. I have also seen pix of dogs and thought they were beautiful until I saw them in person. Still very beautiful but not the look I want.
My first National, 2010, I saw 6 or 7 bitches I liked, 3 in Top Twenty, 1 male I didn't hate. One male I liked in Obedience (an Emerald boy). My favorite bitch in the TT I cried saying goodbye to her after meeting her, then cried some more in the hotel when I looked up her pedigree.
I would have given a $1,000,000 for her on the spot if I'd had it to spare, but I would not touch that ped w/a 10 ft pole in my circumstances.
So yeah, I get that.

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When i first started looking for our second dobie, I contacted a number of reputable breeders and did not get much of a response at first.

Then i wrote out a very detailed "Doggy Resume" giving tons of information about me, my family, yard, fence, experience with dobermans, other pets, ability to afford veterinary expenses -- everything i could think of.

When i re-sent out emails with the Doggie Resume, i got many more responses and much more information.

What i took from this experience is that great breeders are super busy and just don't have time to respond to every casual inquiry. Once they knew that i was serious, and had put time into my request, many more breeders took the time to respond.

Hope this helps.
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