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VZ-Doberman- I was more uncomfortable leaving the dog there than taking the risk in bringing her home. We did months and months of research in finding what we thought was a "reputable" breeder and the 4 hour drive was never a complaint of mine- I would have driven further. My point is that she LIED about a dozen and a half things to us. The original post was asking if anyone who had purchased a dog from Linda in recent years had any health issues and I certainly have an experience to share. So happy you had a positive experience. That was not our case, it's not the case of many, and I won't hesitate to share my experience.
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This is the thing - when you have a puppy/dog that you are happy with and who is earning titles and doing great, all you have to discuss with the breeder are good things so of course the breeder is going to be happy with the buyer and there isn't likely to be discord.

Conversely, when you have problems with your puppy/dog, the likelihood for discord is much higher. When the breeder has an upset puppy buyer, they frequently get their back up and the relationship goes downhill quickly.

I have certainly heard many stories like this, where the breeder does not support the owner and puppy when there is an actual problem. The handling of problems that arise really does separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to breeders.

I might be a breeder, but it sure seems like there are some breeders who think that somehow they are just above producing a problem, they don't want to hear it, they have no sympathy or empathy and they just blame the owner for everything. That is how not to handle a problem 101.

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This is the thing - when you have a puppy/dog that you are happy with and who is earning titles and doing great, all you have to discuss with the breeder are good things so of course the breeder is going to be happy with the buyer and there isn't likely to be discord.

Conversely, when you have problems with your puppy/dog, the likelihood for discord is much higher. When the breeder has an upset puppy buyer, they frequently get their back up and the relationship goes downhill quickly.

I have certainly heard many stories like this, where the breeder does not support the owner and puppy when there is an actual problem. The handling of problems that arise really does separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to breeders.

I might be a breeder, but it sure seems like there are some breeders who think that somehow they are just above producing a problem, they don't want to hear it, they have no sympathy or empathy and they just blame the owner for everything. That is how not to handle a problem 101.

Yep, that is what Michelle said, Linda Duff claimed the cancer and other problems was all her fault.

I believe Remy also had allergies or digestive problems or both because Michelle has told me several times that the food I recommended was the first food in his life that did not cause him problems.

Horrible for her, her husband and three children. I mean Remy didn't even make it to have a second birthday!

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Yep, that is what Michelle said, Linda Duff claimed the cancer and other problems was all her fault.

I believe Remy also had allergies or digestive problems or both because Michelle has told me several times that the food I recommended was the first food in his life that did not cause him problems.

Horrible for her, her husband and three children. I mean Remy didn't even make it to have a second birthday!
This is what I try to say about no one being in on the conversation but it gets repeated by people getting it second, third hand. No one but Michelle and Linda know what was said.

If you don't like a breeder....fine.

For what it's worth I spoke directly with Michelle at that point in time.

As to my comments to the OP I made a point to say this was my experience with Bacc.
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This is what I try to say about no one being in on the conversation but it gets repeated by people getting it second, third hand. No one but Michelle and Linda know what was said.

If you don't like a breeder....fine.

For what it's worth I spoke directly with Michelle at that point in time.

As to my comments to the OP I made a point to say this was my experience with Bacc.

You're right, best not to get info second hand.

Here is a some of it directly from Michelle. Remy was just short of 10 months here:

https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberman...vet-again.html


And Remy's story by Michelle is post #40 on his Rainbow Bridge page. Not sure if there's more on the thread or not.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/rainbow-...-exacta-2.html

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And that's fine for what he was experiencing. I never doubted Remy's issues. I've never posted or inferred that. I'm referring to conversations between Linda and Michelle concerning Remy.

I only know what Michelle wrote me in emails which I no longer have. (I don't keep emails from months or years ago) and I routinely clean out my pm acct.

So why this?
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You're right, best not to get info second hand.




And Remy's story by Michelle is post #40 on his Rainbow Bridge page. Not sure if there's more on the thread or not.

https://www.dobermantalk.com/rainbow-...-exacta-2.html
And again, his issues were never in doubt. Even Murraydobe remarked on them in (I believe) that thread. What I am posting and have posted is that the conversations between Linda/Michelle were exactly that. No one was in on them. No one can state what they were.

And again, I know what Michelle told me in email.
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I might be a breeder, but it sure seems like there are some breeders who think that somehow they are just above producing a problem, they don't want to hear it, they have no sympathy or empathy and they just blame the owner for everything. That is how not to handle a problem 101.
I think a lot of them are worried about their program's reputation potentially scaring off prospective homes, or the sometimes cutthroat community in breeding. I have heard and seen too many cases where a puppy owner signals to the breeder that their dog has died of DCM and suddenly the breeder grows distant and harder to communicate with.

Which I think says way more about a breeder, than them having produced an unhealthy dog. I would rather have someone who is honest, and has produced unhealthy dogs here and there but has stood behind them, and also consequently re-adjusted their program or revisited certain lines (which is why it is so important to good breeders to have their puppy owners communicate with them about any issues they encounter... you can only improve if you learn from your mistakes and see where your weaknesses are).
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And that's fine for what he was experiencing. I never doubted Remy's issues. I've never posted or inferred that. I'm referring to conversations between Linda and Michelle concerning Remy.

I only know what Michelle wrote me in emails which I no longer have. (I don't keep emails from months or years ago) and I routinely clean out my pm acct.

So why this?

Why what?

Word of mouth is how any person, company or product builds it's reputation, whether good or bad. That's just a fact of life.

How many byb puppy buyers come on here screaming we can't know anything about a breeder unless we have direct contact with them an their crappy operation when that's just not true and we all know that's not true.

You had a good experience with your boy and I'm happy for you. Others have not had a good experience and their stories will be out there, too, either by an unhappy puppy buyer or someone that person told and so on. Again, that's life.

This is the last I'm saying to you on this because I have a feeling this could go back and forth all day and night long.

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Why what?

Word of mouth is how any person, company or product builds it's reputation, whether good or bad. That's just a fact of life.

How many byb puppy buyers come on here screaming we can't know anything about a breeder unless we have direct contact with them an their crappy operation when that's just not true and we all know that's not true.

You had a good experience with your boy and I'm happy for you. Others have not had a good experience and their stories will be out there, too, either by an unhappy puppy buyer or someone that person told and so on. Again, that's life.

This is the last I'm saying to you on this because I have a feeling this could go back and forth all day and night long.
Someone telling their story is one thing but when that story gets repeated down the line things aren't always how the original went. It's not a matter of someone purposely changing the story just how things are. Things get omitted, things repeated inaccurately. No matter if it's a breeder, retailer, service provider, etc.. That's why I believe it's best to talk with the original two people. And even then a story will have two differing points of view.

What I am attempting to say is that until an entire story is known with firsthand info you're only getting part of the picture.

Did I have a great experience with Linda? Yes. And I don't believe it was because Bacchus was always healthy (temperament/physical). To this day he can't eat some of the treats he hoovers off the ground at trials without getting gas or some upset. I peppered her with so many dumb newbie questions. Remember we all start out as newbs. She was always quick to respond and her input was correct. The woman was patient. To this day we stay in touch and not because of what Bacc has accomplished. She was someone to talk to when Tom died. She helped me network when I needed recommendations.

I'm all for personal experiences being posted.

Would I buy another dog from her? Yes.
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I am a breeder and I as well own a Briarwood Male he is 6 yrs old and still in great health .. Lovable boy. Linda is a great person and as breeders we do not have a crystal ball. We can only use the tools we have when we do a breeding .. But nothing is a guarantee that every pup is gonna live to teens. Thyroid is treatable and Addison disease is not common in the breed and is not a test that is done mandatory . Hips,heart,vwd,thyroid are the things most tested that are common in the breed.
Talk to Linda.
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Exactly. Addison is also a hard disease to confirm. I'd get another opinion. Easy to take the tests and make sure. Vets want to give us answers and sometimes they differ in opinions.

Best to the owner and glad your dog is getting treatment. Many I read lead long lives so work with a good vet. Sorry for this experience. I've never seen it in dobermans or even heard of it. Best to you and your dog.
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