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Looking for a Quality Breeder in Texas(possible other states)

I've been doing research for a while now, but I can't seem to find anything that works. Either their puppies are overpriced, out of my budget, or the website hasn't been updated in years.

I am looking for a quality show Doberman, preferably one that has a thicker build than the average American Doberman. I really would like to get a Red, but obviously quality would come before color.

Now, I know the title said Texas, but I would be willing to look out of state if, and only if, the breeder is willing to ship. I just don't have the time to pack up and take a road trip to Tennessee.

So, if you guys know of any good breeders that have thicker dogs, I would love for your input! Thank you!
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Marilyn Swick. She has show Dobermans & just had a litter but I believe they are all gone. You could see if she's going to breed another little
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I don't think you'll find a 'thick' show quality doberman. They are show quality because they fall within the doberman standard, and if they are outside of that, they aren't show quality.

Dobes are naturally lean and shouldn't be fat. They generally pack on an extra pound or two for shows but they aren't bred to be thicker.

Many American show line dobes are plenty 'thick' once they mature

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Check out sunburg and Kansa, I'll echo bigfootlives and mention going to some shows in the area to see the dogs in person, many American dobes have more substance than people think....

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Many American show line dobes are plenty 'thick' once they mature
^^^This.

When you are looking at show win pics, keep in mind that dogs often finish young and don't really fill out until age 4.

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Perhaps what he means is a dog with more bone like Tank?


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Will you show the pup? I know some show quality puppies but I think their breeder wants show homes.


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Well, just wondering how you are determining that a particular breeder's puppies are overpriced? Reputable breeders will have pretty high prices in this breed, just the way it is. It's kind of like buying a Porshe, budget is not really a concept that applies unless you want a beat up hunk of junk that doesn't run (in Dobermans that would be an unhealthy, backyard or puppy mill-bred, sketchy temperament version). What would you like to do with your puppy? Into agility or another sport?

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I can see where that sounds a bit confusing now. I don't necessarily mean thick as in 100% Euro build. I just mean that I wanted a slightly thicker boned dog. I just tend to visually like the thicker, broader chested ones than those with a narrower chest. Sorry if I caused any confusion.
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^^^This.

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Check out sunburg and Kansa, I'll echo bigfootlives and mention going to some shows in the area to see the dogs in person, many American dobes have more substance than people think....
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Well, just wondering how you are determining that a particular breeder's puppies are overpriced? Reputable breeders will have pretty high prices in this breed, just the way it is. It's kind of like buying a Porshe, budget is not really a concept that applies unless you want a beat up hunk of junk that doesn't run (in Dobermans that would be an unhealthy, backyard or puppy mill-bred, sketchy temperament version). What would you like to do with your puppy? Into agility or another sport?
I can see where it sounds a bit confusing when I mentioned thicker dogs. I didn't mean Euro thick, I just meant I like dogs with a bit more substance than some of the dogs I've seen. Not much, but just a nice chest, you know what I mean? Still in good conformation and all.

As far as overpriced, I don't mean paying good money for a quality pup. Some of the 'breeders' I've found want to charge up to three grand for a puppy that isn't necessarily conformation sound. It just frustrates me that people actually buy from breeders like these, specifically the ones who don't test or show their dogs.

Yes, I will be planning on showing the pup in both conformation and working events.

Thanks for the suggestions as far as the breeders! I will be looking into them!
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RFR, I don't think these are real dogs.

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This appears to be a community that does online role playing as dog breeders.
I very well could be wrong but that is what it looks like to me.
(They even have a poll up for what color doberman they should get in "real life.")

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RFR, I don't think these are real dogs.

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This appears to be a community that does online role playing as dog breeders.
I very well could be wrong but that is what it looks like to me.
(They even have a poll up for what color doberman they should get in "real life.")

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Since my daughter is on DeviantArt, and was still signed in, I left a comment on the "what color should I get?" poll.


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RFR, I don't think these are real dogs.

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This appears to be a community that does online role playing as dog breeders.
I very well could be wrong but that is what it looks like to me.
(They even have a poll up for what color doberman they should get in "real life.")

Sommer-Studios's poll: Which colored Doberman should I select, in real life, for shows? - DeviantArt
I can confirm these are roleplay "art" communities I even had started up participating in Horse ArtRPG in a while, it is a lot of fun and a good way to practice drawing and colouring, but I didn't have a tablet at the time so it was too much trouble to keep up.

Basically you can apply to any art RPG group on deviantart, and after that you must create a "character sheet" for your animal, like a studbook registry. Depending on the group's rules you have to include the animal's colour and genotype, age, breed, sex, etc. You can list whether the animal is available for breeding or not. If someone wants to use one of your animals, as far as I can tell, the most common thing is they have to message you. If you accept they have to draw a picture of the two together (can be entirely pg) for you to approve. Then they have to create a drawing showing the dam with the newborn(s). And after that an individual character sheet for the offspring which they can then register.

They can "sell" or "adopt" the young if they like, different people have different prices (which are often just an art trade for you to hand over the rights of the character's design and reference sheet).

You can participate in showing and competing, in which say you enter a show jumping competition, you draw a picture of your horse over a jump. The different "equestrian centers" will often give you a reference sheet of the types of jumps they own. Then when you submit the picture you also have to write a little paragraph describing how your characters (human and animal) might be feeling or what they are doing etc, how they are reacting to the situation.

There are also fantasy breeds, made up breeds with unrealistic colours etc. It is a peculiar creative outlet that combines writing and art basically. Oh and those online breeding simulation games like Howrse or Dogzer or what have you.
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Hit a show, buy a catalog, note the date of the dog's date of birth vs size.
If you give your general location I'm sure someone can look up upcoming shows in your area for you.

Don't judge puppy and young dogs by what a mature dog looks like, it's not fair, puppies deserve to be puppies and not look like 5 year old grown dogs. Too many early maturing look like herefords by 5. A sleek dog holds its form longer IMO.

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