Everyone has their own opinons as to what qualifies as a reputable breeder.
As stated before, I do not bash nor support Kimbertal.
I speak from experience owning a Kimbertal, and agree with those that do own Kimbertals that they produce a decent dog. Not the best, but decent, definately not what I would qualify as being "World Class", which to me is defined having both parents titled International Champions. I know, I have those too!
Euro's are different than the american line dobes, they are much stronger in both temperment, size and usually health. They are a stronger bloodline. The problem with american dobes is they are so bred out. The hypocrisy here is that you people here all agree we should breed for the betterment of the breed, and when it is done, you are quick to bash. What I have seen from Kimbertal is much nicer than what I see here amongst these same members bashing.
Let me ask, who is willing to spend 5 grand on a dog? I have, several times. Though with Kimbertal, this is usually on the sire's side. For breeder's the money is in the Sires and why you see usually the sires/males competing in the canine sports, they make more money in stud fees than producing actual litters.
For the comment that reputable breeders only produce 1-2 litters a year, this is your assumption, and your making a complete ass out of yourself. Some of the very best dobermans in the world, coming from some of the very best kennels in the world produce hundreds of pups a year. And do you think they house and kennel all these sires and dams? No, they are under co-ownerships with other individuals, the same thing Kimbertal does.
The fact they may have more pups in rescues is more than likely a numbers driven statement, they produce more pups, thus, more in rescue....Duh! ALL breeders will have dogs placed in rescues, an unfortunate reality. Money is one of the biggest deters to a dog going into a rescue. Kimbertal, in my opionion produces a decent dog, not the best, ask a little on the high side for them, but I do not know their costs of doing business either. I can tell you my pup will not end up in the rescue, she is an investment.
While there is a poster here that says she
Again, I am neither for them, or against them, I do speak from experience and trying to enlighten some here, I have a Kimbertal, she is a great girl. Funny, there is a poster here who said she see's more Kimbertals in rescues, the irony in her statement is she actually mentions the good quality of the dog.
The sad part here people, as mentioned previous, I think Kimbertal puts out a decent dog, these decent dogs are of much better quality than most of what I have seen here amongst these same forum members. However. if you can open your mind and look at the overall larger scope of things, Kimbertal does much good for the dobermans in this country by importing the champion stud dogs that they do, thus supporting stronger bloodlines. The american bloodlines are PATHETIC!
I am stating these facts as a breeder in the know, a breeder who has invested many many thousands into my crew and who actively engages in the canine sports. I am also a succesful businessman, my dobes are a hobby to me. While I try to educate some of you people here, I realize that ignorance is bliss and runs rampant and some couldn't see there way out of a wet paper bag with a functioning GPS, for those, I truly am sorry.
Doberman Talk could be a real useful learning tool/forum. Fact is, most people in the show ring or canine sports have absolutely nothing to do with D.T., it is known to be a forum of arm chair warriors who have nothing better to do than to indescriminantly bash others. From what I have seen, there is not much for me to learn here and will make my decision to stay or leave depending on the responses here. And makes aboslutely no difference to me whatsoever, I will continue what I am doing one way or another, it's your loss.
Lynn