Look, I'm trying to be patient with you. It's obvious you care about your dobermans but you have been misguided and your assessment of many things is just flat out wrong.
Oh and as far as cropped and docked.....
Well, what should a puppy cost??? If i pay to have your puppy cropped than obviously its gonna jack up the price & should i then keep the dog until the ears stand on their own? I had a veterinarian of MY CHOICE crop my puppies and im glad that i had a say in who and how and when it was performed. I dont think the breeder i chose is any less reputable because the puppy had its ears intact.
Im sorry, but if you want to own a doberman you should be capable of taking it to the vet for an ELECTIVE pro cedure. Only if the puppies were approaching 12 wks and hadn't been sold would i take it upon myself to crop the ears of what will eventually belong to someone else.
Quite honestly, im much happier with the crop on my pups than that of their Dam & Sire.
You're right, it is an elective procedure, however; this is a cropped and docked breed. If you read our breed standard on the DPCA site you will come to know this. For this reason, most fanciers (breeders, handlers, exhibitors, judges) Feel that the dogs they produce or come in to contact with should closely adhere to that standard.
It should not be left to the owner because more often than not, the owner has no idea how to select a good vet and how to care for the freshly cropped ears. We've seen plenty of horror stories here on DT about just how wrong owner handled ear crops can go.
A well bred doberman is about $2500-3500 these days. After all that goes in to breeding and whelping the litter breeders are lucky to break even when they sell puppies for these figures.
Oh yeah, and why the hell would you only provide limited registration if you were only producing perferct specimans? Wouldn't you want them multiplied for the BETTERMENT of the breed??? It sounds like perfecring the standard only applies if it doesnt affect your profit. Spaying or neutering a champion quality Doberman would be the furthest thing from everything these breeders claim tbey stand for. So f'n hypocritical.
If YOU sell HIGH QUALITY dogs TOO...
Then you're a BYB because I SAID SO & because you're competing with me... ludicrous!
I don't think you understand. While breeders strive to produce show quality puppies, in any given litter you will get show quality and pet quality. Breeders are lucky to get one or two show quality puppies out of a litter, with the rest being "pets". Pet quality dogs are nice examples of dobermans but would have a fault or multiple faults that hinder their chances at becoming champions; therefore they should be spayed/neutered or sold on limited registration.
"For this reason you can't fault breeders for wanting to avoid producing dilute puppies"
I DONT fault breeders who aviod producing them...
I fault the idiots that say that "breeders not avoiding dilutes are BYB"
I didnt mean to offend anyone and im not even sure how i did, i said that it was WRONG TO DISCRIMINATE.
But your reasoning would be like saying african americans shouldnt reproduce because they could have children with sickle cell anemia. Try saying that....
And sorry if i just offended an entire other group, im just trying to say these things are WRONG!
It's hard to understand what you're saying with the double negative, but I think you should go back and read what I wrote. I said that some breeders do avoid producing them because of their inherent coat and skin issues, CDA, as Rosemary mentions. These issues are not what many puppy buyers or breeders care to deal with. That's not to say that there is anything wrong with producing them, but most just try to avoid it. I can name plenty of breeders who have produced them. Some have even produced a fair number of dilute champions, in fact.
Purebred dogs are human made. They were bred for purpose, and the breed standard reflects that purpose. If we did not have these breeders preserving it, we would not have a breed.