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I always find myself reading these threads, and it never ceases to amaze me how often new users crop up to defend their chosen (g)breeders...and then abruptly leave without having a reasoned debate/backing up their assertions.

I am really glad I found this forum. It's so nice to have a resource for this breed that doesn't make excuses for or sugarcoat bad breeding practices.

This is a bit off topic: I don't yet own a purebred Doberman (just a mix), and perhaps I never will given all the health problems, but I have definitely fallen in love with the disposition and aesthetic of the breed. It's nice to know that if I ever *do* decide to rescue a dobe (and I *will* rescue rather than purchase) I will have a community committed to his or her well-being available to me.

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Hah. Six pages worth of replies, and as soon as I raise my head people lose interest. Do I have cooties? LOL

Sorry!

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It's not personal... People are just tired of this topic, and the thread reviver is now gone.

This is a thread from 2008.

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Thank you everyone for your info about Kimbertal!!! I am looking to get a puppy & having a hard time & the breeder said "& they have Kimbertal bloodlines" I could not find anything then on here I see they are something to be cautious about. - Thanks!!
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Thank you everyone for your info about Kimbertal!!! I am looking to get a puppy & having a hard time & the breeder said "& they have Kimbertal bloodlines" I could not find anything then on here I see they are something to be cautious about. - Thanks!!
You are in Michigan, I would suggest Lyndobe, she has good pups.
I am not sure where Sheliandobe is but she might either have a litter upcoming or know a good breeder, if she is close enough. I am sure if you look through here, or use the DPCA breeder referral you can find a good quality breeder relatively close to you

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have a major issue with Altobello Kennels from Serbia. The owner is Dejan Malbasa contact number 0038166142150. I purchased a male Doberman pup from him a few years back and I forwarded over €3200 to his bank account which was supposed to include delivery and the pup never came and money was taken. He refused to return my money and never answered any of my calls. My lawyer couldn't deal with the case at the time due to the fact that he was outside of the EU and we in Ireland are in the EU. AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE


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The people bashing kennels that produce more than 1 litter a year are utterly ignorant. They've never bred a dog in their life, nor had a dog from any of these kennels. They're just people who've read a BuzzFeed article and are now suddenly experts. Bottom line is, we want people breeding the best dobermans, and if anyone has ever bred and raised a litter of puppies, they know that they are not going to be doing it for long, especially if there is no money involved. It's not worth the time and effort! Compare it to someone who bakes the best cakes on earth. Are they bad if they bake more than one cake in a year? Are they bad if they make money on it? Seriously, that's the logic you are using. You can make a bunch of amazing cakes, all of the highest quality AND make money at it. I pay for a cake, I love the cake, you make money so you can make more cakes for us to buy. It's a win win win. Now, when someone has 1 world class male and female and breeds them once that year, thats "responsible". But when you have numerous world class males and females and breed all of them once a year, thats suddenly bad? Even if they too are "responsible" about it? Quit being hipsters. Just because someone breeds "small batch" doesn't make them better. That's ignorant. And because someone breeds at the same or better quality, but at a larger scale, doesn't make them bad. As long as they're making money there will be high quality dobermans out in the world. It's a win win for everybody. Quit being socialists.
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The people bashing kennels that produce more than 1 litter a year are utterly ignorant. They've never bred a dog in their life, nor had a dog from any of these kennels. They're just people who've read a BuzzFeed article and are now suddenly experts. Bottom line is, we want people breeding the best dobermans, and if anyone has ever bred and raised a litter of puppies, they know that they are not going to be doing it for long, especially if there is no money involved. It's not worth the time and effort! Compare it to someone who bakes the best cakes on earth. Are they bad if they bake more than one cake in a year? Are they bad if they make money on it? Seriously, that's the logic you are using. You can make a bunch of amazing cakes, all of the highest quality AND make money at it. I pay for a cake, I love the cake, you make money so you can make more cakes for us to buy. It's a win win win. Now, when someone has 1 world class male and female and breeds them once that year, thats "responsible". But when you have numerous world class males and females and breed all of them once a year, thats suddenly bad? Even if they too are "responsible" about it? Quit being hipsters. Just because someone breeds "small batch" doesn't make them better. That's ignorant. And because someone breeds at the same or better quality, but at a larger scale, doesn't make them bad. As long as they're making money there will be high quality dobermans out in the world. It's a win win for everybody. Quit being socialists.
Are you a troll because that's the only way I can see something this stupid being typed out. Are you seriously comparing a puppy to a cake? I like cake and all but I don't put the time, effort and money in cake like I do my dog. I would do anything to help my dog if she had health problems. When the cake goes bad on the counter I throw it out.

Let's play with your baker analogy as much as it pains me. Baker wants to bake a lot of cakes to make as much money as possible. Do you think that baker is going to use the best, freshest ingredients? Nope, those will be too expensive. Rotten eggs, they are practically giving those away, yeah let's use those. Flour with weevils in, that will do, just a little extra protein at the end. After all it's all about the money. Let's put all those shitty ingredients together and it's time to produce!

You know what takes awhile, baking a cake, let's cut our time in half so what if it's raw in the middle, looks good on the outside and they'll never know, we'll put frosting on it. Don't forget you can't turn the oven off to clean it and make sure it's maintained. Nope if it wears out we'll throw it out and get a new one. Now sell them to the public, but we'll sell them cheap so everyone can afford our cakes but not too cheap so people think they are bad quality. We'll find that sweet spot and people will buy buy buy! Don't like the raw cake, sorry too bad. Oh you got sick, oh too bad.

Now substitute your "breeder" in for the baker and you get the shitty offspring with health problems that mills produce.

Thanks for my fill of stupid for the week.

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The people bashing kennels that produce more than 1 litter a year are utterly ignorant. They've never bred a dog in their life, nor had a dog from any of these kennels. They're just people who've read a BuzzFeed article and are now suddenly experts. Bottom line is, we want people breeding the best dobermans, and if anyone has ever bred and raised a litter of puppies, they know that they are not going to be doing it for long, especially if there is no money involved. It's not worth the time and effort! Compare it to someone who bakes the best cakes on earth. Are they bad if they bake more than one cake in a year? Are they bad if they make money on it? Seriously, that's the logic you are using. You can make a bunch of amazing cakes, all of the highest quality AND make money at it. I pay for a cake, I love the cake, you make money so you can make more cakes for us to buy. It's a win win win. Now, when someone has 1 world class male and female and breeds them once that year, thats "responsible". But when you have numerous world class males and females and breed all of them once a year, thats suddenly bad? Even if they too are "responsible" about it? Quit being hipsters. Just because someone breeds "small batch" doesn't make them better. That's ignorant. And because someone breeds at the same or better quality, but at a larger scale, doesn't make them bad. As long as they're making money there will be high quality dobermans out in the world. It's a win win for everybody. Quit being socialists.
Did you just compare a living thing to that of a cake???

Yes, there are actually generations that breed dogs and don't make money, it's called a hobby. I guess people just don't like using their dog's sexual organs to fill their pocketbooks.

Although I haven't personally bought from Kimbertal one of my really good friends did. She put a bunch of titles on him, super smart dog with crazy drive, died at 4, but outlived most of his littermates that died at 3.
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whats the issues with the &breeding quot;altobello" and "kimbertal?"🙄

Does anyone EVER AGREE on who is a REPUTABLE BREEDER? I want to start breeding, but it seems as though no matter what you do somebody is gonna slam your reputation... if EVERYONE can AGREE on what a REPUTABLE BREEDER is then thats exactly what ill do, and in no time everyone will CHANGE there OPINION of whats REPUTABLE...
And why SO MUCH HATRED for DILUTES??? I have HEALTHY DILUTES that MEET THE BREED STANDARD. They are good looking dogs with DOZENS OF CHAMPION TITLES in their PEDEGREE. AND ABSOLUTELY, I'll be reproducing them for the "BETTERMENT" AND of the breed. What a joke.... WHO is the ALTIMATE AUTHORITY on what the "BETTERMENT OF THR BREED" Is?
That phrase has lost its connotation...
Just makes me sick that everypne GOSSIPS & HATES on everyone like a bunch of FICKLE FEMALES 🙄
OK, lets have it....UNLOAD ON ME to PROVE ME RIGHT...
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Does anyone EVER AGREE on who is a REPUTABLE BREEDER? I want to start breeding, but it seems as though no matter what you do somebody is gonna slam your reputation... if EVERYONE can AGREE on what a REPUTABLE BREEDER is then thats exactly what ill do, and in no time everyone will CHANGE there OPINION of whats REPUTABLE...
And why SO MUCH HATRED for DILUTES??? I have HEALTHY DILUTES that MEET THE BREED STANDARD. They are good looking dogs with DOZENS OF CHAMPION TITLES in their PEDEGREE. AND ABSOLUTELY, I'll be reproducing them for the "BETTERMENT" AND of the breed. What a joke.... WHO is the ALTIMATE AUTHORITY on what the "BETTERMENT OF THR BREED" Is?
That phrase has lost its connotation...
Just makes me sick that everypne GOSSIPS & HATES on everyone like a bunch of FICKLE FEMALES 🙄
OK, lets have it....UNLOAD ON ME to PROVE ME RIGHT...
Quite the first post, to bring up 7 years later! Welcome to DT, we'd love if you'd introduce yourself and your dogs.

I think your frustration may stem from the fact that a lot of breeders are discussed on DT but not a lot are actually reputable, ethical breeders who strive to preserve and improve the breed. The majority discussed here are for profit operations or back yard breeders.

Having said that, I agree, that some breeders have been unnecessarily bashed here. Some good breeders just 'breed too much' in the eyes of some of our members, as an example. BUT, as a general rule, I think we do have a consensus as to what constitutes a reputable breeder.

A reputable breeder, at the bare minimum:

Titles their dogs prior to breeding.

Either with conformation (AKC or Canadian CKC show) titles + hopefully some performance titles "on the other end"

or

advanced working sport titles in a sport such as Schutzhund or french ring

Does full health testing prior to breeding and in subsequent years

Yearly cardiac testing (echo and 24 hour holter)
hips, eyes, elbows
Liver
Thyroid
pre breed screening for communicable diseases (STI's)

Breeds to preserve and maintain the breed
This generally means the breeder aims to breed and present their dogs as close to the standard as posssible with the DPCA code of ethics in mind at all times. This is not possible without showing or working and titling the sire and dam to prove they are worthy of being bred. Puppies will almost always be sold cropped and docked, and pet puppies will be sold on limited registration so they can't be bred. Absolutely NO breeding of albinos or Z factored dogs.


I hope you will follow suit!!!
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Does anyone EVER AGREE on who is a REPUTABLE BREEDER? I want to start breeding, but it seems as though no matter what you do somebody is gonna slam your reputation... if EVERYONE can AGREE on what a REPUTABLE BREEDER is then thats exactly what ill do, and in no time everyone will CHANGE there OPINION of whats REPUTABLE...
And why SO MUCH HATRED for DILUTES??? I have HEALTHY DILUTES that MEET THE BREED STANDARD. They are good looking dogs with DOZENS OF CHAMPION TITLES in their PEDEGREE. AND ABSOLUTELY, I'll be reproducing them for the "BETTERMENT" AND of the breed. What a joke.... WHO is the ALTIMATE AUTHORITY on what the "BETTERMENT OF THR BREED" Is?
That phrase has lost its connotation...
Just makes me sick that everypne GOSSIPS & HATES on everyone like a bunch of FICKLE FEMALES 🙄
OK, lets have it....UNLOAD ON ME to PROVE ME RIGHT...
Might want to start your own thread instead of posting on the end of a very old one. Maybe tell us a little bit about yourself, your accomplishments in the breed, what you hope to accomplish by breeding the dogs you have, and a bit about the dogs you have.

People here are pretty fair, but us old-timers have heard your kind of lament a zillion times before and are a little tired of responding without more information about who you are. JMHO
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Does anyone EVER AGREE on who is a REPUTABLE BREEDER? I want to start breeding, but it seems as though no matter what you do somebody is gonna slam your reputation... if EVERYONE can AGREE on what a REPUTABLE BREEDER is then thats exactly what ill do, and in no time everyone will CHANGE there OPINION of whats REPUTABLE...
And why SO MUCH HATRED for DILUTES??? I have HEALTHY DILUTES that MEET THE BREED STANDARD. They are good looking dogs with DOZENS OF CHAMPION TITLES in their PEDEGREE. AND ABSOLUTELY, I'll be reproducing them for the "BETTERMENT" AND of the breed. What a joke.... WHO is the ALTIMATE AUTHORITY on what the "BETTERMENT OF THR BREED" Is?
That phrase has lost its connotation...
Just makes me sick that everypne GOSSIPS & HATES on everyone like a bunch of FICKLE FEMALES 🙄
OK, lets have it....UNLOAD ON ME to PROVE ME RIGHT...
Well, perhaps starting a new thread, rather than posting on a 7 year old thread, and introducing yourself, rather than yelling at us in all caps would be a good start? Generally when people come to a new forum and their first post is incredibly hostile for no reason at all, it's not a good sign. I hope to be proven wrong.

Also, I'm not sure why you feel it's necessary to attack people on gender stereotypes (fickle females?), but that's also generally not a good way to start off making friends or with a neutral start. You seem hostile from the beginning, so it's hard to start of with a positive opinion of you.


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Oh... Come on Jt.

Why jump on a well established thread, with many of the members being well versed in Dobermans and immediately make your first post derogatory and demeaning. This is a very personable and pleasant forum with tons of good, if not great information handed out to Doberman owners or prospective owners. I have owned Dobermans since 1974. You?

Also nobody's going to "Unload on you". You did it to yourself.

My suggestion is that you apologize and start over.

Oh... BTW...

What greenkouki said^^^

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Edit to say: The FICKLE FEMALES comment was not only unnecessary, but crude and basically hateful.

I would ask you to disappear, yet I believe that you would benefit from hanging out here, while trying to get along with truly informed Doberman owners

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You're right, i guess that wasnt the best way to introduce myself...
My name is Josh. I have 3 puppies, 1 boy 2 girls. A red, a fawn, and a blue.
I love all my dogs and feel that my blue & fawn pups are just as valuable and should be just as desirable as any other doberman.
Dobermans come in multiple colors, just as people do. Why is it any more acceptable to discriminate against an animal for the pigmentation of their skin than it would be to judge your neighbor for being a differnt race or ethnicity.
You cant say that its not just as ignorant to think that certain colors in dogs dictate superiority over others. And why is it everyones personal mission to persaude the world that anyone who would intentionally reproduce them is unethical, or a BYB? Sounds kinda similar to the philosophy of Hitler. Just saying...
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You're right, i guess that wasnt the best way to introduce myself...
My name is Josh. I have 3 puppies, 1 boy 2 girls. A red, a fawn, and a blue.
I love all my dogs and feel that my blue & fawn pups are just as valuable and should be just as desirable as any other doberman.
Dobermans come in multiple colors, just as people do. Why is it any more acceptable to discriminate against an animal for the pigmentation of their skin than it would be to judge your neighbor for being a differnt race or ethnicity.
You cant say that its not just as ignorant to think that certain colors in dogs dictate superiority over others. And why is it everyones personal mission to persaude the world that anyone who would intentionally reproduce them is unethical, or a BYB? Sounds kinda similar to the philosophy of Hitler. Just saying...
My boy is Foxfire's the Real McCoy (McCoy or "Baby") His Grandsire (Maternal) is a fawn. He is over 13 years old. He is owned by one of the most knowledgeable owners that I know.

You asked about "reputable" breeders.

Here is a link to the website of the breeder of my last 3 boys. And the breeder of my boy's grandfather... Ch Foxfire's Gold Toed Monster BN CD RE OA AXJ NF CGC CGCA ROM BFL-1 LC-10L and my boy's dam Jewelia GCh. Foxfire's Tell Me About it:

Foxfire Dobermans - Breeder-Owner of AKC Top Producing Doberman Pinschers.

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I hope so.

Also when referring to other people, references and comparisons to Hitler are not well received ( My wife and son are Jewish).I personally am offended

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You're right, i guess that wasnt the best way to introduce myself...
My name is Josh. I have 3 puppies, 1 boy 2 girls. A red, a fawn, and a blue.
I love all my dogs and feel that my blue & fawn pups are just as valuable and should be just as desirable as any other doberman.
Dobermans come in multiple colors, just as people do. Why is it any more acceptable to discriminate against an animal for the pigmentation of their skin than it would be to judge your neighbor for being a differnt race or ethnicity.
You cant say that its not just as ignorant to think that certain colors in dogs dictate superiority over others. And why is it everyones personal mission to persaude the world that anyone who would intentionally reproduce them is unethical, or a BYB? Sounds kinda similar to the philosophy of Hitler. Just saying...
As you know, the doberman comes in 4 colors. I have not seen but maybe a select few members in the 15 years of being on DT chastise breeders for producing dilute (blue and fawn) dogs as part of their breeding program. However; breeders who are intentionally breeding to produce dilute puppies because they can advertise them as "rare & unique" are not reputable, and deserve some choice words because they are part of the problem. They do not have the doberman breed's best interest in mind; and are doing it only to line their pockets.

Because dilutes have a different coat than red and black dogs, often they do suffer from hair loss and skin problems as they age. For this reason you can't fault breeders for wanting to avoid producing dilute puppies. I even know breeders who avoid breeding reds because they don't want to deal with light colored coats or bleaching in the sun (which is just silly, IMO).

I really don't think your claim that breeders looking to avoid breeding certain colors is akin to Hitler. In fact, I think that's incredibly disrespectful to persons affected by that part of our world history. That comparison should be reserved for only the most evil things in our world.

"White" (Albino) dobermans are a whole 'nother can of worms, and we need not get into that. You can read the information on the DPCA.org website and acknowledge that the dobermantalk membership basically align's it's views with that literature. those positions are based on facts and health, not by any other motives.

In my opinion, and the opinion of most here, if someone is not 100% dedicated to preserving and improving the doberman breed, that person is not a reputable breeder. Breeding for profit or 'just to have a few puppies for friends and family' defines back yard breeding. It takes a lot of commitment to do things right, which is why so few really do.
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Oh and as far as cropped and docked.....
Well, what should a puppy cost??? If i pay to have your puppy cropped than obviously its gonna jack up the price & should i then keep the dog until the ears stand on their own? I had a veterinarian of MY CHOICE crop my puppies and im glad that i had a say in who and how and when it was performed. I dont think the breeder i chose is any less reputable because the puppy had its ears intact.
Im sorry, but if you want to own a doberman you should be capable of taking it to the vet for an ELECTIVE pro cedure. Only if the puppies were approaching 12 wks and hadn't been sold would i take it upon myself to crop the ears of what will eventually belong to someone else.
Quite honestly, im much happier with the crop on my pups than that of their Dam & Sire.
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You're right, i guess that wasnt the best way to introduce myself...
My name is Josh. I have 3 puppies, 1 boy 2 girls. A red, a fawn, and a blue.
I love all my dogs and feel that my blue & fawn pups are just as valuable and should be just as desirable as any other doberman.
Dobermans come in multiple colors, just as people do. Why is it any more acceptable to discriminate against an animal for the pigmentation of their skin than it would be to judge your neighbor for being a differnt race or ethnicity.
You cant say that its not just as ignorant to think that certain colors in dogs dictate superiority over others. And why is it everyones personal mission to persaude the world that anyone who would intentionally reproduce them is unethical, or a BYB? Sounds kinda similar to the philosophy of Hitler. Just saying...
You said you want to do breeding right but you have 3 puppies, which is already wrong. Also, you have 3 puppies and you've already decided you want to breed them? How do you know you will better the breed? People don't like the breeding of dilutes because MOST breeders who breed for COLOR don't tell their unsuspecting puppies buyers that their dilutes will likely end up bald or partially bald and have skin issues. Some breeders like the breeding enough that they will take a chance or breed to a dog that won't produce dilutes. Most of the reputable breeders I know didn't get into breeding because they wanted to breed. They got a REALLY nice dog that did REALLY well in a sport, and that came from healthy lines, and by breeding that dog to another dog they got their next puppy to compete with and kept bettering their lines to produce better puppies.


Did one breeder sell you 3 puppies??? Good god you must have more patience than me and the cost and time to train them separately, and the health testing and the competing you must do well for yourself in retirement lol. My advice, which you won't like, would be to rehome two puppies, do a lot of research learning about the breed and competing in different venues to learn as much as you can. When your puppies is 2 get another puppy from a reputable breeder and then, if you still want to breed, breed that puppy.
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Oh yeah, and why the hell would you only provide limited registration if you were only producing perferct specimans? Wouldn't you want them multiplied for the BETTERMENT of the breed??? It sounds like perfecring the standard only applies if it doesnt affect your profit. Spaying or neutering a champion quality Doberman would be the furthest thing from everything these breeders claim tbey stand for. So f'n hypocritical.
If YOU sell HIGH QUALITY dogs TOO...
Then you're a BYB because I SAID SO & because you're competing with me... ludicrous!
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Oh yeah, and why the hell would you only provide limited registration if you were only producing perferct specimans? Wouldn't you want them multiplied for the BETTERMENT of the breed??? It sounds like perfecring the standard only applies if it doesnt affect your profit. Spaying or neutering a champion quality Doberman would be the furthest thing from everything these breeders claim tbey stand for. So f'n hypocritical.
If YOU sell HIGH QUALITY dogs TOO...
Then you're a BYB because I SAID SO & because you're competing with me... ludicrous!
Although I feel like this is a waste of time because I can tell your thoughts for everything reputable are negative, I will still waste my breath trying because... why not.

I bust my a$$ working my dogs every Tues and Sat. training in obedience and protection. Every Wed. in agility. Many Mondays in conformation. Every Wed. and Sun morning tracking and every Mon., Thurs. and Sat. morning conditioning. I love my dogs. I give them the best of the best. I have spent countless hours ALREADY studying pedigrees for a bitch I don't plan to breed for well over a year. I've been bitten, I've been beaten (competing), I've won, I've cried, I've gone to the emergency vet,... these dogs are my pride. Literally blood, sweat and tears in EVERY sense of the word. I love every title, every head tilt and every minute I have with them. ALL of my puppies will leave co-owned. All of my pets will leave on limited registration why???? to keep my lines clean. If you read above and think for one second that I'm going to let all my work be ruined because some jerk wants to make money breeding his/her poor DCM/bad temperament lines you are out of your ever lovin mind. It has nothing to do with competition, I'm always helping newbies to the sports and to owning dobes. I encourage them to compete and learn pedigrees just as I was encouraged by someone else. Not many people stay reputable breeders who aren't OPEN to learning and becoming a student of the breed, and who aren't open to helping and encouraging others.


And your thoughts about profits are a joke. I've spent $8,000 on my dogs this year alone (only 2019)and does NOT count food, and most treats. If you think for one second when I have a litter that I have any intention of getting a profit, you're crazy. This is just a super expensive hobby for me.

I'm not sure where you were going with the spaying and neutering a champion thing but I know many breeders, mine especially that won't hesitate to spay/neuter and champion if there's an health issue or a temperament issue... I'm not sure how that's hypocritical.


Lastly, I want to go back to your original post. You asked what makes a reputable breeder. That will be for you to decide. Hardly anyone agrees on what is reputable. Do your research, read the articles on the DPCA website, compete and meet other dog owners. Learn pedigrees and how dog's passed away and what issues were in those lines and then decide what YOU think is important and reputable.
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"For this reason you can't fault breeders for wanting to avoid producing dilute puppies"

I DONT fault breeders who aviod producing them...
I fault the idiots that say that "breeders not avoiding dilutes are BYB"
I didnt mean to offend anyone and im not even sure how i did, i said that it was WRONG TO DISCRIMINATE.
But your reasoning would be like saying african americans shouldnt reproduce because they could have children with sickle cell anemia. Try saying that....
And sorry if i just offended an entire other group, im just trying to say these things are WRONG!
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