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...My boy would not be able to be in most "pet" homes, he needs a certain type of experienced owner, as I am sure is the case with many of the euro bred pups.

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I am not condoning the breeder, I just prefer to stay neutral on the subject of the breeder, I don't feel it my place to be either a proponent or opponent to a breeder or people, I have never personally dealt with. I can only say what I have seen, and as far as what I have seen, is that with the pups they are breeding from the euro lines, they are very drivey and a bit harder of dogs, and most people in the U.S., would not be ideal candidates for these types of dogs as they would quickly run the home.

So, please don't condemn me for choosing not to attack them, and understand, I am saying that MOST people should not have dogs from their euro stock, unless they are experienced with dogs that are very high energy and need a strong handler/owner.
And yet they sell nearly exclusively to folks who are novice, not-knowledgeable, or do nothing with the dogs except breed them.

And you can't tell me that Kimbertal doesn't know that.


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so is this mrlynn's kennel site?
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The past pups on extremedobermans website are some of the worst conformation examples of the breed that I have ever seen, European or American. I hope they're all in loving, forever homes.

I wish the successful/popular European breeders really cared where their dogs ended up. If not for the dog's sake, but for the sake of their reputation.

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And yet they sell nearly exclusively to folks who are novice, not-knowledgeable, or do nothing with the dogs except breed them.

And you can't tell me that Kimbertal doesn't know that.

I am sure they do RFR, and that is one thing that should certainly be considered when looking for a breeder to purchase a pup from.


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The past pups on extremedobermans website are some of the worst conformation examples of the breed that I have ever seen, European or American. I hope they're all in loving, forever homes.

I wish the successful/popular European breeders really cared where their dogs ended up. If not for the dog's sake, but for the sake of their reputation.
Note that it seems to be more of an occurrence with Eastern European breeders. Also of note, there doesn't seem to be a ton of these Eastern European dogs being sold to Western Europe. Interesting huh?

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Please note that I have removed the link to the website owned by the former member in this thread at their request, sorry threat; however, this information can be found by anybody interested simply by searching their name. My suggestion for breeders who want to keep their kennel information secret is to not use their names to be easily searched. They are well aware of the information that can be found easily by a search on the internet and I don't take to threats lightly. Furthermore, they have been banned.

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One presumes that the mentioned kennel is owned by the poster mrlynn based off the similarity between the username on DT and the email address listed on the contact page of her breeder website. Also she stated that she had imported a dog from Serbia and 2 from Russia and has a Kimbertal dog, looking at the mentioned breeder website there is the dog "Ozzy" from Serbia, "Gotika" from Russia, "Sant Kreal Vixen" from Russia and "Jamie" from Kimbertal.


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Note that it seems to be more of an occurrence with Eastern European breeders. Also of note, there doesn't seem to be a ton of these Eastern European dogs being sold to Western Europe. Interesting huh?
I didn't even think about that, very good point! It's a shame because I really like the look of the Eastern Euro Doberman, but I can't support breeders that sell puppies/adults to the states just to enter this vicious cycle of backyard breeding. So sad :0(
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Well, all that flamboyant tossing down of the gauntlet went away real fast, now, did it not--when it came to actually showing pictures of the dogs?

You know, I hate p*ssing contests that involve innocent living beings, to begin with.

Somehow it's even worse when the person doing all the smack talk then hides their dogs away as if ashamed of them.

I'm sure they're nice pets, and it would be great if they were all speutered and got to train and compete in some nice fun sport with their owner.




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Please note that I have removed the link to the website owned by the former member in this thread at their request, sorry threat; however, this information can be found by anybody interested simply by searching their name. My suggestion for breeders who want to keep their kennel information secret is to not use their names to be easily searched. They are well aware of the information that can be found easily by a search on the internet and I don't take to threats lightly. Furthermore, they have been banned.
so just for the sake of curiosity, why were they banned?

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so just for the sake of curiosity, why were they banned?
For threatening me and implying threat to my family.
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Well, all that flamboyant tossing down of the gauntlet went away real fast, now, did it not--when it came to actually showing pictures of the dogs?

You know, I hate p*ssing contests that involve innocent living beings, to begin with.

Somehow it's even worse when the person doing all the smack talk then hides their dogs away as if ashamed of them.

I'm sure they're nice pets, and it would be great if they were all speutered and got to train and compete in some nice fun sport with their owner.
No kidding.
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For threatening me and implying threat to my family.

What a class act.




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What a class act.
Sure is.

I'm a little confused though...why exactly were the links removed? If the breeder doesn't want his kennel name out and there and being discussed he either should have been more discreet in his user name, refrained from posting about his kennel on the internet, or should not have a website at all. Are threads / posts / links for every breeder not being discussed in a positive light going to be edited at his / her request? I think this may set a bad precedent.

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WOW, now what happens when Kimbertal says they want it removed from all posts also
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You're absolutely right. I have received threatening e-mails and this breeder is only making it worse on themselves.

This site is and should remain educational. One of the main purposes is to stop breeders like them from ruining the breed, being responsible for contributing to the overpopulation and heartache of loving families. There is no lies or libel in exposing them for what they are. BYBs and bullies.

Please forgive my lack of judgement caused from lack of sleep. I'm rested and on my game now y'all.
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Well, all that flamboyant tossing down of the gauntlet went away real fast, now, did it not--when it came to actually showing pictures of the dogs?

You know, I hate p*ssing contests that involve innocent living beings, to begin with.

Somehow it's even worse when the person doing all the smack talk then hides their dogs away as if ashamed of them.

I'm sure they're nice pets, and it would be great if they were all speutered and got to train and compete in some nice fun sport with their owner.
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Somehow it's even worse when the person doing all the smack talk then hides their dogs away as if ashamed of them.

I'm sure they're nice pets, and it would be great if they were all speutered and got to train and compete in some nice fun sport with their owner.
I am sure they would be nice pets, too, but have to wonder if they have ever had that chance since they really look like they are "pen dogs". If you will look closely into the background you will see the fences and dog houses.

I see why she rabbited after being ask about what titles she has put on her dogs.

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Sure is.

I'm a little confused though...why exactly were the links removed? If the breeder doesn't want his kennel name out and there and being discussed he either should have been more discreet in his user name, refrained from posting about his kennel on the internet, or should not have a website at all. Are threads / posts / links for every breeder not being discussed in a positive light going to be edited at his / her request? I think this may set a bad precedent.
She must have thought we were a bunch of dummies and would never be able to find out who she is. These people are always good for a laugh if it wasn't for the poor dogs.

Her "past pups" pictures tell the whole story in a nutshell IMO. A newbie breeding cranking up her "breeding operation" just like what I said she sounded like in a previous post.


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You're absolutely right. I have received threatening e-mails and this breeder is only making it worse on themselves.

This site is and should remain educational. One of the main purposes is to stop breeders like them from ruining the breed, being responsible for contributing to the overpopulation and heartache of loving families. There is no lies or libel in exposing them for what they are. BYBs and bullies.

Please forgive my lack of judgement caused from lack of sleep. I'm rested and on my game now y'all.
Nothing like sleep to make the mind clearer. Thanks for putting the site back in.

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I am sure they would be nice pets, too, but have to wonder if they have ever had that chance since they really look like they are "pen dogs". If you will look closely into the background you will see the fences and dog houses.

I see why she rabbited after being ask about what titles she has put on her dogs.



She must have thought we were a bunch of dummies and would never be able to find out who she is. These people are always good for a laugh if it wasn't for the poor dogs.

Her "past pups" pictures tell the whole story in a nutshell IMO. A newbie breeding cranking up her "breeding operation" just like what I said she sounded like in a previous post.

Nothing like sleep to make the mind clearer. Thanks for putting the site back in.

It's not even the first time I've seen that site. I came across it recently when I was doing a little research after being questioned on my criticism of Betelges. I was trying to find reputable breeders in the US that had imported from them, but mostly what I found were breeders like this one, or local classified ads from people that had imported and were then flipping the dogs / puppies.

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Are these people still bashing Kimbertal ?? Geeze ! I signed on this board years ago and got so tired of self proclaimed 'experts' trashing the good folks at Kimbertal and the beautiful working dogs they breed I havent bothered to come back.

Simple math says if you a breeder of dogs , cats or freakin rats who puts out large numbers of animals that there will a higher percentage of IDIOTS that purchase and abandon them ! A prime example is whenever the movie 1001 Dalmations plays that the following Christmas countless "SHEEPLE" run out and purchase Dalmations for their little brats to torture. When they discover the breed is not suited to being pestered by rug rats they ditch them at the shelter..........rotten human nature...whats new??

Anyone who is of the opinion that healthy dogs can only be bred in small numbers is ignorant and has self-imposed tunnel vision. Further one who states any breeder is over-priced does not take into consideration the limiting effect that has on undesirables ending up with them AND what business is it of anyone to comment on what one sells or buys a dog, car or box of kleenex for ...if you cant afford it ....go somewhere else ....


I can tell you my experience with the folks at Kimbertal over the years has been nothing short of exceptional ...they are surely people who care about each and every animal they adopt out.....

My dog Saint goes everywhere with me . A big , strong , intelligent and HEALTHY animal who is loved by all LE associats and feared by every crackhead who has the experience of trying to hide from him :0) ...

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For threatening me and implying threat to my family.
WOW, what an idiot.
some people just dont know how to act.

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post #98 of 161 (permalink) Old 03-03-2011, 07:44 PM
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Onyx is a Euro Dobie out of Dax Di Altobello lines and although she is young, I am so impressed. I think that any Doberman has the potential to be good or bad..So many folks have not done the research on the breed and buy the first dog they see. Thus ending up with an out of control...ill tempered nightmare that eventually ends up in a shelter somewhere adding fuel to the fire that the breed legislation idiots need! I do not breed nor do I ever plan on breeding, but I love my Dobie! She is my constant companion.
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Any yutz with a credit card can buy a Kimbertal dog. Does Altobello take CC's too?
Most of john q. public aren't capable of caring for a fern, much less a large, powerful dog. It's sad.



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So you have trashed every breeder that has a Kimbertal line in the dogs they breed...nice! I am not a breeder, but it is sad that everyone has an opinion!!! My dog is Dax Di Altobello and Kimbertal and she is an AMAZING creature!!!! She is stunning to look at too!!!! Just because they were not 200 out of someones back yard does not make them junk!!!! Keep adding to your list.
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