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So enlighten us more... this is how a reputable breeder does things, right?





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And is this your website, correct? Qualified Breeder offers Bichons, Havanese, Maltese & Yorkie Puppies for sale - Call Myra 954-434-4116
Myra, why are you breeding mutts? i'm pretty sure that goes against AKC policy.

and why are you listing your sale price as an adoption price? are you deliberately misleading your customers?
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Wow. Busy lady. Four litters on the go right now.

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that's a *lot* of dogs to be running around the house. don't forget all the adults she has!

they are running around the house, right? they're not in some kennel situation somewhere?
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oh my.
I was thinking along the lines of O f__k!!
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I was thinking along the lines of O f__k!!
i was trying to keep the expletives out of my earlier post. what went through my head was "what the flying f___!??!?"
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So enlighten us more... this is how a reputable breeder does things, right?





classy.

And is this your website, correct? Qualified Breeder offers Bichons, Havanese, Maltese & Yorkie Puppies for sale - Call Myra 954-434-4116
Wow. I would love to hear a response to this, because that web page made me sick. It disturbs me that I 'thanked' the original post by Myra or supported her in anyway.

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Gotta love those search engines.

Myra you're busted.
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I fear OP went off to the land of Only-Things-I-Want-to-Hear.
The thought occurs that many members of this community are more intent on reeducation toward a particular politically correct mindset than edification.
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The thought occurs that many members of this community are more intent on reeducation toward a particular politically correct mindset than edification.
Well the exit door is right over there, Stinky, so feel free to find somewhere else that better aligns with your views. There are plenty of BYB havens but this is not one.
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While I agree with what you're saying in that I wish the Doberman were a healthier breed overall, I also want to point out that even though all these people are breeding Labs that live long and are generally healthy, they shouldn't be.
The question is, is the Labrador breed so healthy in spite of or because of all the bungling hobby breeders?

If the latter, there's a bit of a conundrum. It seems so wrong. I was mildly horrified when my sister kind of casually mentioned they'd bred their Lab bitch to one of her then-husband's hunting buddy's dogs, I know they didn't put much of any thought into that because they weren't at all passionate about their dogs in general. Somehow, that sort of thing works for that breed.

When I was seeking a Dobe puppy, I found it frustrating that almost all the breeders either seemed to be show breeders with bloodline myopia (inbreeding popular sires) or trashy, thug Greeders. It took me a little while to find a middle-ground breeder, the sort I refer to as a "farmer type". Just like a large middle class is the foundation for a stable nation, I think a breed becomes very stable when most of the breeders are in that middle ground.

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I worked in a rural animal shelter in Eastern KY and I can say that most of the the dogs we got in were labs or some sort of lab mix. If someone were to come on here and ask about breeding labs (the fact that this is a Doberman forum, aside) the responses should still be much the same.
I think that's a rule in most shelters, because Labs are everywhere. They're dirt cheap, they generally don't become big disasters in the hands of novice dog owners, and it's hard to throw a stick in any dog park without having an intact & AKC-registered Lab pick it up.

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No matter what dog you're breeding you should put time and effort into knowing all the ins and outs of the breed and dedicate a vast amount of time to learning everything you can about the breed before even thinking about breeding.
I'm not disagreeing, and I'd think that even with Labs, people are mostly in that mindset by their 3rd litter, if they get that far.

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For example, you love Dobermans, or Labs, or whatever breed, so you get one. You fall in love with the breed so much that you get involved in working or showing, etc. Then as they years go on you learn what it takes to be the best of your chosen breed.
This is where I think the focus starts getting a bit too elitist, where you wind-up with very few midrange breeders. It's just not healthy to have a handful of elitist show/working breeders up high, a ton of pretty bad breeders who don't care at the bottom, and a lot of angst & resentment between those extremes.

A would-be breeder should be able to become familiarized with what's correct and what's incorrect/unacceptable in a breed, and be able to make a decent breeding decision without the lofty goals that would require making breeding dogs a life's work. It's just fine to have one's goal to be to produce quality animals that live-up to expectations by being perfectly average & mostly correct.

I think it bears repeating-- the next few dogs who earn the Ch or IPO titles to be considered the "best Doberman specimens" aren't going to get the breed out of the weeds. It'll take the overwhelming majority of the next thousand Doberman puppies who go to their new homes meeting expectations as protective snuggle-bugs who don't bring grief to their owners due to poor health, dying young, or having unsuitable temperaments.
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Well the exit door is right over there, Stinky, so feel free to find somewhere else that better aligns with your views. There are plenty of BYB havens but this is not one.
So what you're saying is this forum is absolutely intolerant of alternate points of view and that if I don't conform to the politically correct mindset dominating this forum I should just leave? Gee, wouldn't doing reduce the drama here, and therefore ad revenues would be negatively impacted (drama sells!)? How would that be a good thing for a profit driven forum owned by a Canadian corporation much more interested in making money than dogs or cars?
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So what you're saying is this forum is absolutely intolerant of alternate points of view and that if I don't conform to the politically correct mindset dominating this forum I should just leave? Gee, wouldn't doing reduce the drama here, and therefore ad revenues would be negatively impacted (drama sells!)? How would that be a good thing for a profit driven forum owned by a Canadian corporation much more interested in making money than dogs or cars?
Nah.... She's telling you if you don't like it here get out.
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No. What they are saying is that noone is forcing you to stay. But if you continue to participate in a forum dedicated to our breed, you will be continually questioned and called out for ignorant statements that are damaging to the breed.

This forum is dedicated to knowledge and education about Dobermans. It is not a place where people gather to pat each other on the back for their unethical and poor decisions.



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Nah.... She's telling you if you don't like it here get out.
Are you kidding? I love it here!
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Wow. Busy lady. Four litters on the go right now.
With puppies available in all four breeds, it kind of makes you wonder if they aren't a broker, also.


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This forum is dedicated to knowledge and education about Dobermans.
So long as it's the politically correct knowledge and education, right?

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It is not a place where people gather to pat each other on the back for their unethical and poor decisions.
I'm a really big fan of irony, that's why I love this place so much.
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Are you kidding? I love it here!
You love to stir things up. That behavior is trollish.
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You love to stir things up. That behavior is trollish.
I have to disagree.

Stirring things up to, perhaps, open one's mind to other possibilities/opinions and make for honest, adult conversations and debates.
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I have to disagree.

Stirring things up to, perhaps, open one's mind to other possibilities/opinions and make for honest, adult conversations and debates.
insulting people for asking questions isn't the right way to go about it. that's precisely the way that user stirred things up.
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I have to disagree.

Stirring things up to, perhaps, open one's mind to other possibilities/opinions and make for honest, adult conversations and debates.
There's putting forth an opinion or facts and then having a discussion. Then there's trolling. Big difference.

You can go to plenty of threads on this forum and find lively discussions without them turning into name calling and someone getting banned.
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I've observed plenty of insults for having varying opinions, on this and other forums.
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There's putting forth an opinion or facts and then having a discussion. Then there's trolling. Big difference.

You can go to plenty of threads on this forum and find lively discussions without them turning into name calling and someone getting banned.
I guess I'm just not computer-language savvy enough to understand "trolling".
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that doesn't make it right OR useful, you know?

and i'm no angel - i've done it before in frustration. but i acknowledge the fact that it's useless to insult, and i recognize that resorting to vulgarity essentially means i've lost the debate. most people don't.
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I guess I'm just not computer-language savvy enough to understand "trolling".
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StinkyT was a troll.
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I've observed plenty of insults for having varying opinions, on this and other forums.
You're always going to find differing opinions on the subjects here but they don't and shouldn't devolve into a free for all.

I sometimes think that some members don't read the manifesto or come in swinging. There are threads that get lively but not to the extent that causes a mod to ban someone.
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