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post #26 of 83 (permalink) Old 03-15-2014, 02:19 PM
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How deteriorated is his tattoo? Have you tried swabbing with rubbing alcohol? That can sometimes sharpen up the ink momentarily for a better read.
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I didn't want to start a bash thread. Looking back I should not have said anything. I love my pup just like everyone else in this thread. I hope he stays healthy for many years. I know four months is too young to tell, but he is a member of my family so naturally I would defend him and where he came from. I would do the same for my 7 year old lab that cost me $50, heck she had a lot less health problems than my purebred lab that cost much more.

Either way DT has been positive for me... It helped save my little guys ears from bad vet aftercare and tons of people went out of their way to help me. I don't want to be known as a "troll", because I plan on being a part of this forum for me to learn more about dobes.

Usmcdoberman I wouldn't even know where to look for a tattoo but if you want to pm me I would love to help you figure out anything you want... I just don't want feed this thread and people to be negative about me, my dog or where and how I got him, if that makes sense ? Lol

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Where did you get the idea that all his dogs are pretty fully health tested, yet still produce sickly pups?

Having them health tested by euro standards before they are shipped isn't what I'd call quality health testing, neither is testing only the dame or the sire and not both and not fully. One or two tests either way, isn't fully health testing. Steve isn't reinvesting the $2500 - $3500 he gets per pup back into the lines because technically he doesn't have a line, he buys others lines and incorporates them into his subpar breeding program. Most likely he is spending his money trying to get his criminal record as a sex offender erased, lawyers aren't cheap or maybe he is saving up in case he gets run out of Salt Lake City like he did at his previous location. Buying all the necessary land to appear like a quality kennel isn't cheap... neither are all the toys (4 wheelers and the like for his kids) that he likes to buy.


I never really looked through his site fully, there is just too much on there - I just looked through the pedigrees quick and were familiar with most of the dogs on there and knew puppies they produced and didnt seem like they had the consistent health problems his puppies seem to.
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BINGADING"I don't want to be known as a "troll", because I plan on being a part of this forum for me to learn more about dobes. "

There is ALOT to learn here. There are people I think are full of crap 95% of the time but then the other 5% I read something I never would have thought of!!!! There are others that I learn from every post.

In time you might be in the same boat I am with my oldest Dobe. Her breeder does EVERYTHING WRONG, and I helped him keep doing it because I gave him $$$ for a pup that wasn't healthy out of parents that weren't health tested. I know better now, but I don't love my 85lb lap dog any less.

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She SHOULDN'T be 85 lbs, the vet says her thyroid problem is the reason she keeps putting on weight. That and her skin problems and allergies keep us hopping. Lots of problems buying one of these dogs from the wrong place!
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I didn't want to start a bash thread. Looking back I should not have said anything. I love my pup just like everyone else in this thread. I hope he stays healthy for many years. I know four months is too young to tell, but he is a member of my family so naturally I would defend him and where he came from. I would do the same for my 7 year old lab that cost me $50, heck she had a lot less health problems than my purebred lab that cost much more.

Either way DT has been positive for me... It helped save my little guys ears from bad vet aftercare and tons of people went out of their way to help me. I don't want to be known as a "troll", because I plan on being a part of this forum for me to learn more about dobes.

Usmcdoberman I wouldn't even know where to look for a tattoo but if you want to pm me I would love to help you figure out anything you want... I just don't want feed this thread and people to be negative about me, my dog or where and how I got him, if that makes sense ? Lol
I hope what you learn from DT is that there is a difference between loving and defending your pup and loving and defending where he came from. Because lots and lots of us here have made the same mistake you did. We supported bad breeders with our money, and we later learned that we made a mistake. I know I did. I wish I hadn't given money to Shanoa's breeder. But I don't support her now, because I know better. That doesn't mean I love my dog any less. In fact, it's because I love my dog, and because I love this breeder, that I don't support those types of breeders.

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She SHOULDN'T be 85 lbs, the vet says her thyroid problem is the reason she keeps putting on weight. That and her skin problems and allergies keep us hopping. Lots of problems buying one of these dogs from the wrong place!
Excess weight is caused by excess food!! Your vet SHOULD be telling you that. If your Doberman also has skin problems I would look at a raw diet with very limited menu.

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Excess weight is caused by excess food!! Your vet SHOULD be telling you that. If your Doberman also has skin problems I would look at a raw diet with very limited menu.

The best part of feeding raw is complete control over what your dog is eating, and it is a lot easier to take weight off and put it on. (Just my own observation with my own dogs)


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Some backyard Breeder names are like lightening rods. Family Dobes, Kimbertal and House of Hoyt are my top three.

Regardless, BINGADING your dobe boy is very handsome.

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I know too much dog comes from too much food. The same can be said for too much ME now days!! My vet HAS told me that, as has common sense BUT the vet said "her thyroid isn't helping" Which to me meant "Go ahead and buy her treats one more time". I'm not saying it isnt my FAULT, I just like having something else to BLAME.

Considered raw many years ago with a different dog (back then I heard it called BARF Biologically Appropriate Raw Food). It's an option.
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I rescued my Saul about a month ago. He's a poorly bred euro dobe based on his appearance. He has a number of issues demodex being the largest. Now his thyroid results have come back with lowish thyroid (conflicting vets) and I've had him on raw since day 1 of arriving and he's slowly making improvements. His coat that is not affected by the demodex is so soft and silky smooth. He's also on fish oil and vit e and coconut oil (on his coat and eaten) and I believe if he was on his previous owners food (Nutro) or any other kibble, he would be worse than what he is now or have not made any improvement at all.

This is just in a month of raw feeding and while it doesn't look like much.. its a gain for Saul.

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His white skin patches are darker now cause stubble is growing where there was zero hair before. It still has to have coconut oil put on it to moisturize and also has to be exfoliated to keep it from getting greasy and pores clogging while it grows because of how bad his skin was... but it's slllooowly growing. Course if I can just stop him from licking himself constantly.

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How deteriorated is his tattoo? Have you tried swabbing with rubbing alcohol? That can sometimes sharpen up the ink momentarily for a better read.
It's not deteriorated it's just poorly done. It's not clean/clear numbers

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Can try swabbing. I'm kind of assuming it was a punch tattoo. They aren't easy to read at the best of times. Many hours spent trying to interpret/trace breeder tattoos. No fun, post a picture? Maybe we can help try and decipher it.

He looks great, you can see the differences your love and attention are making for him.


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I rescued my Saul about a month ago. He's a poorly bred euro dobe based on his appearance. He has a number of issues demodex being the largest. Now his thyroid results have come back with lowish thyroid (conflicting vets) and I've had him on raw since day 1 of arriving and he's slowly making improvements. His coat that is not affected by the demodex is so soft and silky smooth. He's also on fish oil and vit e and coconut oil (on his coat and eaten) and I believe if he was on his previous owners food (Nutro) or any other kibble, he would be worse than what he is now or have not made any improvement at all.

This is just in a month of raw feeding and while it doesn't look like much.. its a gain for Saul.

Saul then:

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Saul now:

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His white skin patches are darker now cause stubble is growing where there was zero hair before. It still has to have coconut oil put on it to moisturize and also has to be exfoliated to keep it from getting greasy and pores clogging while it grows because of how bad his skin was... but it's slllooowly growing. Course if I can just stop him from licking himself constantly.
Actually, that's a HUGE difference, in so short a time!

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The best part of feeding raw is complete control over what your dog is eating, and it is a lot easier to take weight off and put it on. (Just my own observation with my own dogs)
I switched my dogs to raw about 2 months ago and they are doing great with it... My Labs coat is shiny black and coat is getting thicker and she has more energy(in a good way).

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Thank you for this information. I now have Soraya and was wondering what her life was like prior to her arrival here. Although she has racked up significant vet bills since her arrival, she is very sweet and I am saddened to have suspicions confirmed. Breaks my heart that she lived in a travel crate except when she wasn't having puppies or going out to potty. But it explains why she had such poor muscle tone...lack of exercise.
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So I worked for Steve for 42 hours before quitting because his puppies are all suffering from giardia, his kennel has had parvo and k9 herpes and his adult dogs are kept in travel crates, and he does not properly care for the animals. He refused to pay me because my 40 hours were all training hours (not even) n he was only going to pay me for 2 HOURS OF WORK AFTER WORKING 42!!! So I'm calling labor commission, and letting people know he breeds ill tempered, and over bred dogs who produce sickly puppies some of which have had eye problem Where they have to be put down because their eyes die n rot out, stomach problems n other health issues. He treats his workers like dirt and pays under the table to avoid paying any employees benefits or have to claim the taxes. Poor breeding for both him and his dogs.
Thank you for this information. I now have Soraya and was wondering what her life was like prior to her arrival here. Although she has racked up significant vet bills since her arrival, she is very sweet and I am saddened to have suspicions confirmed. Breaks my heart that she lived in a travel crate except when she wasn't having puppies or going out to potty. But it explains why she had such poor muscle tone...lack of exercise.
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Sorry for causing a drama that wasn't my intentions... I may or may not regret my pup later. I was just saying that I don't right now... I didn't start a thread to brag how good he was ... Infact the only threads I have been a part of was ear crop threads.. I just saw a negative thread and decided to reply with my experience...

I hope my dog turns out good like everyone else in this forum. I debated replying
I really hope your dog lives a long healthy life. I also had purchased two dogs from the same breeder several years ago and have been very lucky with their health despite the fact that there are no documented health tests done on the parents (holter tests, hips certified). I do know better questions to ask now though. I was a huge supporter of this breeder until I took one of his retired breeders. The minute she stepped out of her crate at the airport, I was no longer a fan nor a friend of his. I used to defend him. I no longer do. I have now seen the truth of the condition of the former breeding dogs who exit the kennel to retire...if they ever do. If I ever buy another Doberman, I don't know where I will get it BUT I do know who I WILL NOT get it from.
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I adopted a retired breeder from him in late March. She has calluses and scars all over as well. She also has two large masses on the pressure points of her hips. One has been removed and was benign. I'm guessing she had poor or no bedding.
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I adopted a retired breeder from him in late March. She has calluses and scars all over as well. She also has two large masses on the pressure points of her hips. One has been removed and was benign. I'm guessing she had poor or no bedding.
Tears of great sadness for her terrible suffering and tears of joy that now she has you. Thank you with all my heart!

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Thanks for reminding us that it is not only the pups of these type of outfits, but the mother's do need a chance at being truly enjoyed and enjoying a loving home life. May soyara enjoys many summers of rolling in the grass and soaking in the sun.
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from his website it seems like there is so much room for the dogs to be - I can not understand why someone would keep them in a crate, if thats what happen
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Isn't that the guy who's a registered sex offender?
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Isn't that the guy who's a registered sex offender?
Yes.

Also food for thought, as most of us who have dobes know, a nice manicured yard doesn't stay nice and manicured. the reason his property looks so amazing is because he doesn't have all of his dogs running around and tearing it up. If the dogs weren't crated and in fact we allowed to run around and live in the sun, and use the bathroom outside of a crate, his property would probably look much different.

SteveP does the least amount of work to maximize profits and picking up dog poop from all over his property is way too much work for that loser and his kids are too busy "playing with and socializing" all those puppies of his. His version creates a nice picture/scene but it's all fabricated

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Thanks for reminding us that it is not only the pups of these type of outfits, but the mother's do need a chance at being truly enjoyed and enjoying a loving home life. May soyara enjoys many summers of rolling in the grass and soaking in the sun.
Yes, those who are in support of unethical breeders ought to be directed to this girl's story, every time.

This is the reality of how many breeding bitches spend their lives, in the hands of crap breeders.

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from his website it seems like there is so much room for the dogs to be - I can not understand why someone would keep them in a crate, if thats what happen
Please read USMC's post.

He makes some good points--and these practices are very common.

This Family Dobes person does nothing with his dogs, except breed them. He doesn't work them, doesn't title them, just makes lots of puppies to sell.

Another example of why it makes folks here so sad and angry when bad breeders are supported. It isn't just the puppies and the new families who suffer--it's the breeding stock as well.




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