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I am located in Texas and I am looking for a reputable breeder. Any help an info would be greatly appreciated.
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Rhapsody and Touchstone are two frequently recommended breeders. Rhapsody is in the Austin area, and I think Touchstone is in the Houston area.


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It would be easier to keep the one thread.
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It would be easier to keep the one thread.
I think the OP was directed to start a new thread. It sounds like he wants to start over the right way.

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Ooops.

I mentioned it because he's getting responses on his other thread.
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Ooops.

I mentioned it because he's getting responses on his other thread.
That's true...OP, make sure you check on the other thread too. You were given a link to find out what defines a reputable breeder, and a few other members posted the names of some Euro breeders that may have the build of dog you are looking for.

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Eventermal I am in San Antonio. I possibly might show but looking more of a protective instinct in dog.
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Will just keep this tread guys. Thanks
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Eventermal I am in San Antonio. I possibly might show but looking more of a protective instinct in dog.
If the dog is bred correctly the protective instinct is there.
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What is difference in American dobie vs European?
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Go to Doberman Related Chat and there is a sticky there.
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If the dog is bred correctly the protective instinct is there.
Sorry but that's not necessarily the case. There are some well bred dobermans with very soft temperaments.

But again, that's why it's very important to convey what you're looking for in a doberman to an ethical breeder.
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Sorry but that's not necessarily the case. There are some well bred dobermans with very soft temperaments.

But again, that's why it's very important to convey what you're looking for in a doberman to an ethical breeder.
I agree, but I also feel (and I'm no breeder) that if it's well bred the temperament is an essential part of that package and should be there. It can't be just a beauty contest.

Health, temperament, conformation.
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A little from what I've gathered off the stickies American vs European is the euro is heavier boned and a bit larger? Can anyone contest or have opinions? Not trying to start a war
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No war here just an honest question. I wish some of the members that have experience would chime in.
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A little from what I've gathered off the stickies American vs European is the euro is heavier boned and a bit larger? Can anyone contest or have opinions? Not trying to start a war
They key words about the size difference are "a bit larger". The FCI (international/European) standard allows dogs to be up to almost an inch taller than the AKC standard. Also, when looking a pictures of show Dobes in Europe, keep in mind that most of them are shown several pounds over their ideal weight.


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Hello, I think I've got the ideal of both Euro and American lines in my dobe. He is very square and fits the standard and he is very protective. You may have several types of temperament in one litter. You should talk to the breeder and the breeder will be able to decide which one will be best for you. After all the breeder has been with them since day one.

There are many threads on this forum about Euro vs. NA lines. You'd be surprised that some of the imports of Euros are smaller than some of the NA. If I were you, I would go to several dog shows in your area and see what you like in person and approach that person--but please wait until after they've shown; they'll be more receptive of your inquiries. Talk to the breeders; they should be able to help you and by doing this, you are more than sure to get the type of dog that is pleasing to your tastes--but not over-sized ones. Anyway, the standard dogs can do more to protect you and do what they were made to do. I would also check several pages of threads (it was just recent) of how this one doberman that is winning titles in agility can handle the tight courses and turns. There are films of it. I believe it mentioned the European way of handling for agility. I know if I needed protection, I would want a dog like that rather than a large lumbering one.

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A little from what I've gathered off the stickies American vs European is the euro is heavier boned and a bit larger? Can anyone contest or have opinions? Not trying to start a war
This is my opinion. To me, the euro is not any bigger on average than an American bred dog. They *sometimes* show heavier bone a bit more consistently, but I've seen American dogs with heavy bone too.

I think the biggest difference is how the dogs are conditioned, just like you'd see in the divide between working and conformation dogs in any other breed. This isn't a result of breeding though, it's the result of the dogs lifestyle and day to day function. A working dog is typically going to look more solid and muscular than a dog that is kept in pet or conformation condition, which will generally look more sleek and smooth in their lines.

The other difference is that the dogs that do look truly larger, aren't really large at all... They're just fat.

All in all, the care, exercise and attention a dog receives from their owner will play a large role in how the dog looks as an adult. And bigger is rarely better.

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Here is a link from another thread you might find handy: [URL="https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/132529-help-tx-breeders.html"]
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I agree, but I also feel (and I'm no breeder) that if it's well bred the temperament is an essential part of that package and should be there. It can't be just a beauty contest.

Health, temperament, conformation.
Unfortunately, the way a dog acts in the ring at a conformation show is not held against that dog at other shows. I've seen many an AKC Doberman in my area of the country, cower for exam unexpectedly on different occasions. Some handlers are just more talented than others or some judges give some handlers lienency with their dogs when that happens. So, sometimes it is just a beauty contest.
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