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Just wondering if anyone has dealt with Monaco Dobermanns. Just wondering about the breeder Molly King and her reputation. Any feedback welcome here is the website.

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I haven't heard of her, but her website looks great. I love that picture of the tiny newborn puppy.
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I do know of her...I have very little respect for her... she breeds way to much in my opinion... a few people i know have had some dealings with her that didnt work out so well....


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I dont know anything about her, but I just recall somehow I have heard she wasnt the greatest
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my advice on this one is run far, run fast, I know people who have purchased there and none would recommend going there. if you want more details pm me.

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This is the feedback I'm looking for. A big thank you to everyone. Where are the issues specificially with the dealings with Monaco Dobermans? Are they with the quality of dog's, or dealings with her personally?
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I read on the site they were expecting two litters in consecutive months. Not sure if this is just a bad timing thing or if it could be a real red flag. There is a lot of talk about the pedigrees of the dogs, but nothing about showing or working any of them. This is one of those breeders where it's hard to figure out what one is breeding for
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"I have one of the top three Dobermann Kennels in North America." interesting claim, wonder who rated the kennels for her to say this, she has changed her website, looks very classy- but then we know looks can be deceiving.

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They breed WAY to many puppies in my honest opinion! Enough said!
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Have seen her dogs at shows a couple years ago, not impressed conformation wise, no nothing about her breeding practices.

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I would seriously question a breeder who considers PHTVL-PHPV a "title"
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I just looked that up and found :

PHTVL / PHPV Persistent hyperplastic tunica vasculosa lentis (PHTVL) and persistent hyperplastic primary vitreous (PHPV) refer to the persistence of the embryonic vascular system of the lens.PHTVL /PHPV is a congenital eye anomaly which has been described in many animals as well as in man. Until the late 1970's PHTVL / PHPV was only sporadically described in a litterature in animals including dogs. The first documented case in dog was in a Greyhound (Grimes and Mullaney). After that there were also some descriptions of individual cases of this anomaly in the litterature (Keller, Blanchard and Krehbiel, 1972, Gelatt, 1973, Barnett and Grimes, 1973, Rebhun, 1976, Rubin, 1974, ).

Yes this 'definitely' is not a title.

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I would seriously question a breeder who considers PHTVL-PHPV a "title"
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PHTVL / PHPV Persistent hyperplastic tunica vasculosa lentis (PHTVL) and persistent hyperplastic primary vitreous (PHPV) refer to the persistence of the embryonic vascular system of the lens.PHTVL /PHPV is a congenital eye anomaly which has been described in many animals as well as in man. Until the late 1970's PHTVL / PHPV was only sporadically described in a litterature in animals including dogs. The first documented case in dog was in a Greyhound (Grimes and Mullaney). After that there were also some descriptions of individual cases of this anomaly in the litterature (Keller, Blanchard and Krehbiel, 1972, Gelatt, 1973, Barnett and Grimes, 1973, Rebhun, 1976, Rubin, 1974, ).

Yes this 'definitely' is not a title.

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I thought I was the only one to find that..... I was so confused.... Maybe I should go look at the page again and see WTF they are talking about....... LOL

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Sadly we have heard from client who paid like 4,000. for a pup and the pup had the worst temperament ever.
What bothers me is buying Euro titled or from titled dogs and not doing anything with them. She has not shown in a ring for ages as i dont remember seeing any of her pups in the rings..
Deb n Maura am i right? she doesnt compete anymore just produce pups?:confused2
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Sadly we have heard from client who paid like 4,000. for a pup and the pup had the worst temperament ever.
What bothers me is buying Euro titled or from titled dogs and not doing anything with them. She has not shown in a ring for ages as i dont remember seeing any of her pups in the rings..
Deb n Maura am i right? she doesnt compete anymore just produce pups?:confused2
Yes, I can say that I don't think I have ever even seen her at any of the shows, but I have seen a couple of her dogs.
Speaking of puppies....debi.....any news????????

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I believe the current rate is $2500 for her puppies and requires $1000 deposit for next year. I believe the dog she is breeding with is Nicola and her grandmother was a champion I believe. I saw her picture in some book from Europe that Molly had.

Since I'm still learning about the difference in Euro v. NA, and also the credibility of breeders awards etc, you can probably guess what direction I'm leaning towards here. I have met amazing ppl on this board, who are continuing to help me find the right puppy for next year.

The only thing is I did spend 6.5 hours on the road a couple weeks ago, but it's a learning experience.
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After visiting her website the person in question claims that the dogs have working abillity's...the main lines I see are Neerlands stam...I still have to see the first Neerlands stam dog who has descent working abbility's
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Thanks - do you know where are the Neerlands stam dogs from?
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Neerlands stam is a Dutch kennel they are very beautifull dogs and the kennel I think started back in the 60's and was owned by the legendary mr.Knijff-Dermout and was later taken over bij Mr. VanderZwan chairman of the DVIN (Dutch dobermann club) In some working pedigrees there is Graaf Quirinus van Neerlands stam but for most of the part it's all show.
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Interesting. I did a search on Mr. Han Van Der Zwan - and found this pic below from a 2002 contest.

So my question is based on the female Dobe I saw when I arrived at Monaco (Nicola) -is there a correlation between the pedigree of Neerlands Stam and the dogs Molly King has. I assume it is - but based on the link - what is your opinion - good/bad/average?

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If you want a beautifull dog and do some shows I would say yes Neerlands stam is your choice but don't be fooled with a ipo or schutz 3 on a showdog in Europe. How does it come that you never see those dogs on a big working trail?
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Hey Frank

I got your pm. I visited Monaco a few years ago when I first decided on buying a pup for schutzhund. I only met 3 of their dogs and very briefly. They were individually brought in to the living room from the basement for about 10 minutes each. I didn't like how the dogs looked or behaved. When we were discussing what I wanted the puppy for, their attitude was these dogs are from Euro lines and will therefore excel in the sport regardless of the fact they never work their dogs or the dogs they breed from. They almost seemed insulted I would question this "fact" if they never worked or titled their dogs how could they be so certain of the dogs' ability. I remember also being unhappy with how the conversation went when I asked about the what ifs of the puppy's health, but I honestly don't remmber the details.

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Just an update after further investigation - here is what I have found about the membership section of Monaco Dobermann.

Monaco is in excellent standing with:

The American Kennel Club

I called the AKC today, and advised that there has not been a dam and litter registered under Monaco Dobermann's since 2000. No further information is posted.

The Doberman Pinscher Club of Canada

Currently not listed as a member. Molly advised that because she doesn't "show" her dogs anymore, she cannot register with the DPCC. Hmmm I challenged on that point, since there are breeders listed that currently do not show.

The Dobermann Club of Holland

Emailed club president for information.....waiting on reply.

The United Doberman Club - must be voted in as well as sponsored by (2) other members.

I contacted the UDC, and spoke to the Canada rep. Advised that she is not a current member.

The Belleville Kennel Club

Not listed on website as a member breeder - but also left voice mail to inquire about this.

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You're doing a lot of investigation Frank. I like that it means that you're very serious about getting the right dog?
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Thank you bonzo. After researching I realized not everyone has the integrity and determination to better the doberman breed as "advertised". I really wish that I didn't have to find out this way that Monaco has falsely advertised on their website. But I feel it's necessary (especially for potential buyers) to realize that what you hear isn't what you get (Point in case at the memberships she claims on her site above).

Luckily I met a wonderful breeder today, and I'm VERY excited.
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