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**Colorado Dobes** · 04-08-2008, 02:22 PM

In response to Kim's message, I have noticed that some of our really knowledgeable members are no longer coming here, and that is so disappointing to me. The information they provided was why I started coming to this forum in the first place. This is a great community, but there are bound to be differences of opinion from time to time. I would like to encourage everyone to think twice before getting moderators involved in your issues (I'm sure they don't WANT to have to step in on every single disagreement, anyway!). 99.99999% of the people here aren't going to flat out insult you for no reason. They are passionate about this breed, and they are simply trying to do their best by it. To quote Murreydobe, please don't be over-sensitive and look for insults, because they likely don't exist. Take the information given to you and leave it at that. And if you do have a problem with something that someone has said to you and feel that it warrants a response, there is always a way to address it with class.

I'm very sorry that we have lost dragonman. I don't know what went on in chat, so I can't address the decision that was made. All I know is that I'll miss Tracy's knowledge, insight, and friendliness. I really hope some of our other valued members haven't left for good.

**2gooddobes** · 04-08-2008, 02:44 PM

Myself, i don't take things personal on this site because i don't have to deal with anyone on here in my personal life and nobody here affects anything in my life. However i think there are some people on here that get out of line with there comments. It's almost like they want to argue and put people down. Arguing with someone about a breeder isn't going to change their minds. Maybe if you took a different approach and educated them in a way that wasn't condescending they would listen. If you attack someone and put them down they are never going to listen to your ideas. Just because you feel one way about how a breeder should be doesn't mean it's for everyone. I think backyard breeding and puppymills should be banned but i'm not going to go on here and attack someone for their choice of breeders, it's just not productive. The bottom line is this site has rules and if you don't like them go elsewhere and start you own site that has different rules.

**Colorado Dobes** · 04-08-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 2gooddobes

Arguing with someone about a breeder isn't going to change their minds. Maybe if you took a different approach and educated them in a way that wasn't condescending they would listen. If you attack someone and put them down they are never going to listen to your ideas. Just because you feel one way about how a breeder should be doesn't mean it's for everyone.

I think when someone asks about a particular breeder, most know that what they're going to get back are people's opinions. So for one, they shouldn't be taken for gospel, and two, the OP asked for them. Slander is one thing. Opinions are another. There is nothing wrong with not agreeing with someone, but I don't think we should have to tippee-toe around to avoid hurting someone's feelings because they are overly-sensitive and get their panties in a wad over nothing. If we all act like adults, then it won't ever be an issue. I've never felt like anyone was purposely attacking me when I asked for information, and I haven't seen many situations where I felt like someone else was. But if someone honestly feels like they're being picked on, all I'm saying is handle it appropriately.

**2gooddobes** · 04-08-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Colorado Dobes

I think when someone asks about a particular breeder, most know that what they're going to get back are people's opinions. So for one, they shouldn't be taken for gospel, and two, the OP asked for them. Slander is one thing. Opinions are another. There is nothing wrong with not agreeing with someone, but I don't think we should have to tippee-toe around to avoid hurting someone's feelings because they are overly-sensitive and get their panties in a wad over nothing. If we all act like adults, then it won't ever be an issue. I've never felt like anyone was purposely attacking me when I asked for information, and I haven't seen many situations where I felt like someone else was. But if someone honestly feels like they're being picked on, all I'm saying is handle it appropriately.

I don't think there is anything wrong with stating an opinion either. What i am talking about is the arguing back and forth about what things a breeder should and shouldn't do. Everyones different that's what makes the world go round. If people would educate breeders and buyers alike in a postive way maybe they would get a better response. Instead it just turns into grudge match between who's right and wrong.

DobeMomToo · 04-08-2008, 03:03 PM

I'm not sure what transpired in chat to cause Dragonman to be banned, so I will not comment on that. However, I do agree that if there are issues here on this forum one needs to be in a position to take their own stand, voice an opinion, and move on. I was involved in the discussion on Saturday that has been referenced and at no time did I ever think of reporting that thread or any of the originators of a given post. I think boards can and often do moderate themselves.

I will also say that when a group of moderators make a decision to take some very firm action, we need to trust their decision was made thoughtfully and carefully. We also need to consider a decision may have been based on things we are not privy to.

While I miss Dragonman and what they brought to the forum, I do not see how rehashing the Moderators joint decision is anything but counterproductive to the membership at large.

Okay -- nuff from me on this topic.

**Colorado Dobes** · 04-08-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 2gooddobes

I don't think there is anything wrong with stating an opinion either. What i am talking about is the arguing back and forth about what things a breeder should and shouldn't do. Everyones different that's what makes the world go round. If people would educate breeders and buyers alike in a postive way maybe they would get a better response. Instead it just turns into grudge match between who's right and wrong.

I guess I've never seen any threads where there have been arguments about what constitutes a good breeder vs. a bad one. I thought most everyone here agreed on that. I don't want to see a grudge match, but a little healthy bickering wouldn't bother me as long as it didn't get personal.

GoodDog · 04-08-2008, 03:10 PM

I wanted share my perspective on this topic as a newbie. This site has been invaluable to me. It saved me from a backyard breeder. I’ve learned a great deal about what to look for in a breeder, ear posting, toys, crate sizes, training and trimming nails with a Dremel. I check the new posts, breeding section and puppy sections a couple of times a day.

Sometimes the discussions get a little animated, but I’ve always attributed that to the passion behind the opinions. It’s easier when everyone agrees, but I learn more when there is disagreement. I discuss the disputes with my husband and we decide how we’ll handle the issue in our household.

I wasn’t aware of moderators until the Korbella thread. I don't know what happened in the Chat room, but I was sorry to see Dragonman banned. I’ve enjoyed her posts. I hope banning isn't something done lightly and I desperately hope that other experienced members won’t be discouraged from posting. My future puppy needs you.

Murreydobe · 04-08-2008, 03:11 PM

[quote=2gooddobes;156331 I think backyard breeding and puppymills should be banned but i'm not going to go on here and attack someone for their choice of breeders, it's just not productive. The bottom line is this site has rules and if you don't like them go elsewhere and start you own site that has different rules.[/QUOTE]

Well..I guess it all comes down to what someone defines as an attack. I think it's important for people to realize that by "voting with their dollars" by buying from a byb or puppy mill they've enabled people who do an endless amount of damage, cause an incredible amount of suffering. I'm not too disposed towards patting them on the back for doing that-it's kind of like that saying about if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Pointing out that something might be morally wrong isn't necessarily an attack-although many times people take it that way.

Yes, this site has rules. And I think the rules are starting to be enforced to such a degree that this board is in real danger of turning into a place that's long on being politically correct and short on substance. But if that's what the majority wants, then that's what they'll wind up with.

**2gooddobes** · 04-08-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Colorado Dobes

I guess I've never seen any threads where there have been arguments about what constitutes a good breeder vs. a bad one. I thought most everyone here agreed on that. I don't want to see a grudge match, but a little healthy bickering wouldn't bother me as long as it didn't get personal.

Colorado Dobes lets bicker about if we have or haven't seen an argument in a thread.

**Colorado Dobes** · 04-08-2008, 03:27 PM

Ha Ha, OK here goes:

YOU ARE WRONG! There has never been an argument over good or bad breeders on this forum since it's beginning! This is typical behavior by the natural eared party! What are they going to try to say next, that someone has DARED say that Euro is better than American, or vice versa? The HUMANITY!

London looks forward to debating this issue with Beetle and Bella once all the presidential candidates have been nominated.