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Old 02-25-2008, 10:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This is SO hard for me. He cries and yelps for me when in the crate and it breaks my heart! But, when I'm busy and can't watch him I know he'll have an accident. How do you do this? Does it get better?
I feel like I'm keeping him caged and he'll hate me for it or not be socialized properly being in a crate so many times in a day.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You have to stick with it even though it's hard. If you don't you'll regret it. All the dogs i've crate trained have whined in the beginning. Some like the crate more than others but if you stick with it they will learn to use it as a place for security. I don't believe in using it for punishment,if you always make it into a positive expierince( giving a treat for going in the crate) they will learn to like it quicker.
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Yes it does take time to crate train, especially if the breeder didn't introduce them to a crate before you get them. Some folks have the crate in their rooms at night and drape their hand down by the pup. Some folks feed in the crate. You just have to make the crate a positive experience for them, but boy can they howl in disapproval.

When we bring home a new pup, I take the next week off for pup-turnity leave just because of this type of training. At night, I had to sleep next to the crate waiting for the pup to fall asleep and then I moved them into the crate. Then after keeping that up, I started to close the door when I moved them in.

I never get a good night sleep anyway during the first week anyway, with potty breaks at night too. Be creative, but try to keep it a positive experience.
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Feed and water him in the crate, keep his toys in the crate so that even when he doesn't have to be locked inside he still has to go to it for play and basic needs - make the crate his room/space in the house. If he lays down for a nap while you are home put him in the crate and leave the door open - he'll likely come back out but keep putting him back in.

For nights - do you have one of those old style clocks that tick? you can wrap it in a blanket and it will sooth him. Be firm and consistent and try and keep a routine - at a certain time it's outside and then into the crate. With my guy I always gave him a couple of cookies when it was time to go to bed. Now, at one year, as soon as he hears my hand in the cookie bag, he's running for his crate and waiting with his head poking out the door for me to catch up. lol.
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Once they are 100% toilet trained do you let them sleep whereever they want or do you continue the sleeping in the crate routine for life?
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Puppies need 100% supervision until they are hold enough and proven not to get in any other trouble, like ingesting something. I would continue to crate at night for sometime. I don't crate at night but mine sleep in bed with me.
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"Once they are 100% toilet trained do you let them sleep whereever they want or do you continue the sleeping in the crate routine for life?"
I think you will find that the dog gets to where they like the crate and will go there on their own throughout the day for a quiet place to be. What you'll find is you'll be able to leave the crate door open and dog will hang out there and bed down there at night. We use a Furrari plastic crate versus open wire crate. Seems to offer a little more privacy which seems to be appreciated.
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This is SO hard for me. He cries and yelps for me when in the crate and it breaks my heart! But, when I'm busy and can't watch him I know he'll have an accident. How do you do this? Does it get better?
I feel like I'm keeping him caged and he'll hate me for it or not be socialized properly being in a crate so many times in a day.
he's not going to "hate" you for confining him in a crate--dogs don't think in those terms.

yes, it gets better provided you don't go running to his rescue each time he cries.

i don't know what constitutes "busy" for you but new puppies in my house spend a lot of time "tethered" to me with a leash so they are never "out of sight, out of mind". i try not to crate them unless i'm doing something that demands so much of my attention that i am really NOT able to keep track of them. for instance if i'm doing laundry i take the pup out for a potty break just before i start--then they go to the laundry area with me & i put up a baby gate, take them off the lead--fold the dry clothes & start a new load. if i'm cooking i can baby gate a pup into the work area (in this house a baby gate works--in a different house with a more open kitchen floor plan i used a small ex-pen) with me.

socialization takes many forms--keeping the puppy with you provides one type. just having a pup crated at night in the bedroom near your bed provides another. pups go with me everywhere--to the store--i crate the puppy in the vehicle & walk them around the parking lot before i go in to shop (weather permitting). i take the time to go to parks & malls once the pup has completed puppy vaccines--any place to meet other people. he goes to dog shows, agility trials etc.

it's not that my puppies don't spend any time in crates but i make sure that they spend a fair amount of time out of them as well. i also have found that some outside time as part of a potty break also helps to get them to settle in the crate. and i make sure that once the pup in crated that no amount of crying gets them out.
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I crate them until they become reliable and earn the right to be left unsupervised. Its not all about toilet training, but includes destructive behavior like chewy couches, etc. During the puppy stage and into the teenage years, they can be destructive without any notice. I crated my first girl until she was 15 months and my current one is 12 months and is still crated. Once the start to mature, then they start to be reliable. I test periodically for very short periods of time to see if some un-supervised time is working or not. I rather crate longer than necessary, than not to do it long enough and run into issues.

Mine see the crate as their place, which they will go into on their own at times. Crating is a good thing.
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Hold in there! That crying certainly does break your heart into little pieces but yes, it does get better. lexx used to HATE his crate, now at bed time he trots in and curls up on his soft blankies right away. Not to say that he wouldn't rather be on the bed with US, but he knows that bedtime is crate time and goes willingly.

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I know it's hard, but stick with it. Like the others said - the key is creating a positive experience with the crate, and NEVER using it for punishment. And NEVER let him out of it when he is fussing - this only reinforces the whining to be let out.

Here's what we did with Red:

When we first got him, I took a week "pupturnity" like Kratty to start the crate training. We had the crate in the room where we spent the most time and where he was confined to (our computer/living room). I fed him meals inside his crate - not closing the door at first, then closing it for a few seconds, then closing it for a minute, etc, etc. Just so he got used to being in it with the door closed and associating it with something positive like his food.

When he'd fall asleep, I'd gently scoop him up and place him in his crate (which had a nice blanket in it). I'd leave the door open and just sit by the door and watch TV or whatever, that way if he woke up, he would see I was sitting right there and wasn't alone.

At night, we hauled the crate into our bedroom and he slept in his crate close to the bed so he could see us. He cried for about 20 minutes the very first night we had him, and about 5 minutes the second night, and never cried in his crate since. We kept moving the crate back and forth between the computer room and the bedroom every single day for about 2-3 weeks. Then the crate found it's permanent home in the bedroom directly across the hall from our bedroom, positioned so he can still see us in bed if he is inside his crate. I was expecting some resistance to this new sleeping spot, but he never complained once. And that's where he crate has been ever since.

He is in his crate at night, and when no one is home. He has never chewed up blankets in his crate or messed in his crate a single time so he has a nice comfy crate mat in there.

We also gave him a treat every time he went into his crate - and still do. Now we say "bedtime" and he runs for his crate, goes inside and waits for us to shut the door and give him a treat through the bars.

A few times a week, I'll put a new chew thing in there (such as a cow hoof, knuckle bone, edible crunchy bone, or anything else safe that he can chew on unsupervised) without him knowing it, so he never knows what yummy thing he might find in there. Helps reinforce the good association with being in the crate.

Good luck and don't give up! It's worth it!
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Tough Love is what it is called! Make sure that his crate is located near you, away from drafts. Give him a blankie and a stuffie to keep him company. You may want to put a blanket over the crate to insulate him and give him a sense of this being his space. You could also try to place a radio near his crate and have it playing softly for company. His crying WILL stop and you just have to turn a deaf ear to it, even though your heart is breaking. Just know that he is safe this way and you are doing the smart thing. He will come to love his crate in time. My first girl never had a crate as she came to us when she was older, our second girl loved her crate and slept in it to the day she died. We just left the door open and in she would go when we went to bed. OUr two guys now love their crates and even go in to just hang around and have a rest. In the beginning when I had to crate them, I kept a different toy that they could only have in their crates and they looked forward to crate time. Of course, you have to give them a lot of time out of the crate to exercise and train and play. Good luck.
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Puppies need 100% supervision until they are hold enough and proven not to get in any other trouble, like ingesting something. I would continue to crate at night for sometime. I don't crate at night but mine sleep in bed with me.
My puppy is still a few weeks away from coming home, but I really want her to sleep in bed with me at night, but still do crate training during the day. Will this work out ok?
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My puppy is still a few weeks away from coming home, but I really want her to sleep in bed with me at night, but still do crate training during the day. Will this work out ok?
I would stick with the crate during the day and night whenever the pup cannot be watched. If you let her sleep in bed with you at night she might have an accident. You don't want her getting intot he habit of relieving herself whenever she feels the need. You need to stay consistent.

Maybe you can keep the crate close to your bed and if she wimpers or whines in the night take her outside.

Im not gonna lie, it's really tough and there will be a lot of nights you'll get no sleep but it only last a short while and once they are housebroken they can pretty much sleep where they want. As long as they are 100% reliable, IMO.
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Mine usually sleep in their crates until I "TRUST" them to not eat whatever is handy or potty in the house. My dobe just graduated to his own bed at age 1. (Yay, no more crate in my room.) He was potty trained almost immediately but he just couldn't resist chasing the cat down the stairs.
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My girl is nearing 13 weeks and it has been a month since an accident. Actually, she only had a few over the first couple of days we had her! She never had any issues with her crate, as she was crate trained when we got her from the breeder. She also goes in it for naps, and we give her treats and make it a 'happy place'. We never stopped doing that, even though she never had an issue. She has also never had an accident in the crate! She is very good at sleeping through the night now, she only wakes up maybe ONCE to be taken out. It's hard, but stick to it... GOOD LUCK.
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Wow... this thread has been going for sometime and restarted again... it's comforting to know that I'm not the only one with this issue.

Diamond hates her crate... or should I say, when she first goes in it. I have done all of these tips and tricks. Short time in the crate, lying beside the crate with my hand there, treats in the crate, feeding in the crate... putting her in the crate and lying on the bed where she can see me, giving treats when she goes in... etc. etc. etc.

However, no matter what, if she is calm and laying down in the crate, and I leave (with TV or radio on for some noise for her) she whines and whimpers. It only lasts for a bit... but if she wakes up, and there is no one there, it starts over again.

I don't go and get her out, because I don't want to reinforce this behaviour... but I have put her in her crate and been ready to leave for work, and she is visibly shaking... like she is scared to be in there.

I have never crated her when she has done something wrong... I don't use it for punishment ever.

I just don't know how to make her like it... and at this point, I don't know that she ever will.
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I don't go and get her out, because I don't want to reinforce this behaviour... but I have put her in her crate and been ready to leave for work, and she is visibly shaking... like she is scared to be in there.
I went through all the same crate training techniques with my puppy - giving her treats, throwing in toys, leaving surprises for her in the crate and all went well for a while. Then Fiona went through a phase where she would FLIP OUT if I put her in her crate and then left the room to do something else like clean the kitchen after dinner. I mean she would go nuts like you'd think someone were trying to kill her. I put a stop to it by completely ignoring the behavior. I made a point not to come back into the room until she was quiet and if she started howling or crying again when she saw me, I'd leave the room again until eventually she would be quiet and settled when I'd come back. Then I would quietly go over and let her out - I wouldn't greet her or make a big deal about it.

The total process took probably about a week of going through this same situation practically daily but she gets it now. Now when she goes in her crate, she just settles in quietly. I can leave the room or be in the room with her and she's relaxed (I say in the room with her because she now relaxes in her crate after dinner with a chew toy for about 30-45 minutes - I don't just stick her in her crate all the time when I'm home).

Around the same time she started reacting badly to me crating her and then leaving the house. My breeder suggested I move any tell-tale signs of me leaving out of her sight and get her interested in something else just before I walk out the door. So I've started taking my purse and keys out to my car about 10 minutes before I leave while she's playing and not paying much attention to me. Then right as I'm on my way to the door I crate her and she gets a kong with some peanut butter in it. I promise you she couldn't care less what I'm doing when she's got her nose shoved in peanut butter. I leave no problems and she usually doesn't even look up at me. When she does she just glances at me and goes right back to her kong. She even watches me put some peanut butter in her kong and will race me to her crate now. It's helped create a positive association in her mind to her crate and me leaving.
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Y'know... that may just have helped me Brigette. I just realized reading your post that I do/did all the same things you did... with one fatal error. I make a big deal out of it when I let her out of the crate. When I get home from work to let her out, I feel guilty for her being in there, so we always do kisses and belly scratches. I have made my own demon as she probably associates this with getting out.

I will try to let her out of the crate now and not make a big deal out of it... and see if that helps to make it easier. Thanks for the post... sometimes we can glean something significant from posts that others put up.

I hadn't even realized what I was doing by having a party every time she comes out of the crate.
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I hope things improve for you. I can relate to you wanting to get excited to let her out, I think that's just part of being a caring dog owner. But yes, I think it places a lot of unnecessary emphasis on getting out of the crate in the dog's mind; especially when they're already happy to see us whether or not we "have a party" like you said. If it's not a big deal to you she may not see it as such a big deal. This is also why I don't love on my puppy right before she goes in the crate or say anything to her when I'm leaving. I just give her the stuffed kong, close her door and leave. She's much more relaxed about her crate now and being separated from me.
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its the same with any command, like when releasing from a "stay" you don't want to make a big deal of it, you don't want the RELEASE to be the best part!
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Did I miss something? Did you get a puppy? All I see is your dog that is nearly two years old. Is that who you are talking about?
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Oh man is it ever hard...now that my boyfriend went away on vacation for a week i havent had any sleep she just wants me around all the time... i keep her in the crate even though she cries i know it sucks sometimes i wanna bring her out and put her in my bed but you cant.... now that she knows when she has to go she cries for a bit but than eventually falls asleep and what i like the most is that she cries when she needs to go outside so i wakeup and take her out she is so smart...dont get me wrong there are times when she has accidents here and there but she is still small slowly but sherly she is gettign it.......and giving her a treat when she is in there is a good idea i see that its working a bit....i mean it takes time but she is eventually getting the point....
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Play with your puppy until they are all wiggled out - then entice them to go into the crate by themselves, by tossing in a stuffie for them to snuggle and chew. Gently close the door - if they cry, it will be short, because they'll fall asleep, and as soon as they wake up and stir, you open the crate and take them out... VERY quickly, they will associate the crate with toys, pleasant naps, and you coming to let them out - and they will go there to nap on their own. I always leave the door open when I am around, so they know it isn't a trap - if you are home, you can keep them in a room with you, or on a leash - and TAKE THEM OUT EVERY 20 MINUTES at first, and increase the time gradually - but always always when they first wake up, after playing and eating. It won't be traumatic, and they'll love the crate as their own space. We take the doors off our dogs' crates once they are reliably housetrained, and not destructive. They are usually really easy if you are relaxed and calm about it. Puppies pee and chew - go with the flow, and they do stop - sooner than if you get too uptight about it.
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Wow... this thread has been going for sometime and restarted again... it's comforting to know that I'm not the only one with this issue.

Diamond hates her crate... or should I say, when she first goes in it. I have done all of these tips and tricks. Short time in the crate, lying beside the crate with my hand there, treats in the crate, feeding in the crate... putting her in the crate and lying on the bed where she can see me, giving treats when she goes in... etc. etc. etc.

However, no matter what, if she is calm and laying down in the crate, and I leave (with TV or radio on for some noise for her) she whines and whimpers. It only lasts for a bit... but if she wakes up, and there is no one there, it starts over again.

I don't go and get her out, because I don't want to reinforce this behaviour... but I have put her in her crate and been ready to leave for work, and she is visibly shaking... like she is scared to be in there.

I have never crated her when she has done something wrong... I don't use it for punishment ever.

I just don't know how to make her like it... and at this point, I don't know that she ever will.

Hey Swoosh- I had the same problem with Zeeva- but the trick with her is to cover her crate and she settles down very quickly. Maybe that will work- Zeeva has a plastic crate and I put her frozen kong in there with her and cover her up and then leave. I will not say she loves it- but she does go in willingly with the treats and then covered.
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