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Found great ear cropper in Boise, ID

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Dr Hunt at Bench Animal Hospital. 30 years of experience. Not sure how to post photos, I'll give it a try. There are only 3 vets that I know of that do them here, the other 2 will not do show length and tried to talk me into military cut.



 
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#2 ·
Pm Marieldobes as she is an ethical breeder who lives in the area and knows who can crop ears well.

A military crop is not an appealing crop for a doberman with their long narrow head. Those look much better on pit bulls.
 
#3 ·
I would take LindaH's advice. The cropping of a Doberman's ears is like art so you want to make sure they do the dog justice. I know from first hand experience that just because a vet says they have many years of experience and they might, doesn't mean that they are a good cropping vet. Have you seen his/her work before? This is something that can help you make your decision easier. If you want a show crop don't let them talk you into a military crop. Even because they suggested this makes me think they might not be able to do a show crop. This would have me running the other way.
 
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Dr Hunt at Bench Animal Hospital. 30 years of experience. Not sure how to post photos, I'll give it a try. There are only 3 vets that I know of that do them here, the other 2 will not do show length and tried to talk me into military cut.

They are very nice at Bench Animal Hospital and they seem to be about the only place in town that does procedures other vets dont. While they are not my regular vet, I have taken my pets there before.
Do you have pictures?
Where did you get your Dobie??
I live in Boise too and I am looking to get another Dobie this spring/summer. I am currently in contact with 2 breeders.
 
#5 ·
They are very nice at Bench Animal Hospital and they seem to be about the only place in town that does procedures other vets dont. While they are not my regular vet, I have taken my pets there before.
Do you have pictures?
Where did you get your Dobie??
I live in Boise too and I am looking to get another Dobie this spring/summer. I am currently in contact with 2 breeders.
If you purchase froma reputable breeder, needing to know who is a good cropper near you is an irrelevant point....


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Most people upload their images to photobucket then copy and paste the supplied IMG code here and that puts up pictures :)
 
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#6 ·
Already did the crop, and I did get a hold of marieldobes, but the person she put me in touch wouldnt tell me where she got her pups ears cropped at because I didn't buy from her.


They aren't my regular vet either, but they probably will be now.
 
#8 ·
I would love to see photos as well! And am also located in Boise! I had planned to take my new pup to Dr Pew in Orem, Utah, but if you found someone here that would sure save me a long day of driving. I need a vet that I can fully trust knows how to do a show crop. Please do post some photos! :D
 
#11 ·
If you're wanting a vet who knows how to do a show crop, then I would do the drive to Dr. Pew...he's well worth it! He's a Doberman breeder and AKC judge and knows how to crop and that's why I refer him. Below is a picture of a pup (not mine) that had his ears done by Dr. Pew...the owner was hesitant about making that drive from Boise, but in the end they were thrilled with the outcome.



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#9 ·
With the breeder I have talk to about getting a puppy they do not do ears. They tried to do it in the pass but to many people wanted different type of crops. Guess they were to nice with each person and not pick one type for their program. So I had the joy of finding one myself. I am luckly and have 2 good croppers in my area. I also get help with aftercare with the croppers. It will cost me alittle more but I have someone to go to for help with posting. I also get to choose what type of crop I want.
 
#10 ·
A really good cropper will not let you "choose" a crop style that will make the dog look bad such as a military crop. They will make sure the crop enhances the INDIVIDUAL dog and don't use patterns for cropping (one size fits all). Have you seen lots of photos of ADULT dogs that they cropped as puppies? This is the ONLY way to know if they actually are any good or just think they are. There are plenty of really sad looking crops done by vets who told the owners that they were good at cropping.
 
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His ears are wrapped up at the moment, just had them done about 2 weeks ago. He does all of the wrapping and aftercare, and I saw them unwrapped when we went to get some sutures taken out. He also did laser therapy on the ears, which helps the healing process. They looked great so far. I'm going to set up a photobucket account today.
 
#23 ·
Gosh, it all depends on the owner. Can't you just raise this puppy properly, so his ears will stand?

I owned Rott's for most of my life before owning a Doberman, the temperament of a dog depends on the owner, not the bloodlines. Health guarantees certainly don't guarantee a long life, as some assume. In fact in my experience, AKC registered dogs has lived much shorter lives than the mixed breeds our family had growing up.


We had the choice between a byb and a litter from champion bloodlines, with a wall of trophies as we walked in. The byb's mom and dad had a much better look to them, and were great family dogs. The $2500 litter with a father who had 20+ trophies from places I don't know and personally don't care about, were strictly outdoor dogs who wouldn't let you come within 20 ft. They also told us 4 of the 11 puppies passed away in the first few weeks. The others passed their health tests, but we didn't have a good feel about this place at all. The byb's took far more interest in their dogs and litter than the AKC registered litter, and we are 100% happy with our choice.
From:
http://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-corner/83282-i-need-vent-2.html#post1352346

Also, why is it a bunch of judgemental elitists are fine to volunteer their time to help you with your puppy over the internet? Was your BYB not knowledgeable enough or helpful enough, for continuing support with your puppy you bought from them?

Never seen a forum on any subject where people judge so much.. Good grief people, you act as if only good dogs come from champion bloodlines and byb's only breed bad dogs.
From:

http://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-corner/83282-i-need-vent-2.html#post1351946

And, for the pup's sake, that left ear in your first pic looks pretty swollen and like you may be starting with a pocket. Might want to get someone experienced to help you with that.
 
#25 ·
One person's hijack is another person's very relevant info.

I just thought the folks going above and beyond to help you, might care to know how you really feel about the DT community, by your own words.

Folks will still help, for the sake of the puppy, because that's what we do, here. It's just good to know where the pup's owner stands, so some of the more naive, sincere posters, or posters who missed your words in the other thread, don't get too emotionally invested. <shrug>

Edit to add: Thanks, but not at all interested in PMing with you.
 
#26 ·
Where do you see me asking anyone for help? I'm trying to help people in my area find a good vet, as there are very, very few ear croppers in our state.

You just wanted recycle some garbage and hijack the thread.. You don't see me following you around flinging mud, I'd appreciate it if you do the same.
 
#29 ·
most breeders find a good vet to crop ears before the pup is sent home. And most good crop vets will evaluate the pup and decide what will look best on the dogs.
However, sometimes you get uneducated people that buy from breeders who dont crop and they want their pup to look good so they search for a good vet to do it. While I do not advocate getting a dog form a breeder who is not reputable and ethical, I do advocate teaching those who made that mistake so they dont do it again and also helping them find a good ethical and caring vet to crop the ears after the mistakes of buying from a byb have been made.
 
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#30 ·
I chose a BYB on purpose.. What you may call a reputable breeder, I may not. I went to look at an AKC registered litter before making my choice, whose parents had earned a wall full of trophies that were on display. They have their own vet who do their crops, but I wasn't personally a fan of the job done. Also, the parents were very agressive and we weren't allowed within 20 feet of them. Also, half of the litter died within the first few weeks. I didn't feel comfortable with anything. My brother had purchased a female from them the year before, and while he loves his dog he isn't that happy with the overall look, she's very slender with a very slender face. Nor did he like the bell in the crop. Here she is, with his permission.


 
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I know there are some breeds that do not fault the dog if they bite the judge, due to their being used as a watchdog that is not supposed to tolerate the presense of a stranger without owner approval. Not sure how I feel on that as imo no dog should act without direct threat on owner or command. Says unstable temperament to me. In any case the doberman is not one of those breeds.

Thirding the idea that you just went from BYB to BYB.
 
#37 ·
Hmm, I'm not aware of any AKC breeds in which it is allowable that they bite the judge.

Behaving in an aloof, wary, watchful manner, yes, but the rules are the dog must be trained enough and under handler control, that it will allow examination by a judge.

I've seen incidents, yes, where if I were the judge I'd excuse the dog from the ring, if not file for the dog's privileges and paperwork to be pulled. I fault any judge who does not do this, if a dog is actually being dangerous and unstable in the ring.

Back to the OP...it occurs to me what a weird contradiction they are presenting.

On the one hand, they insist a dog's temperament is "all in how you raise them," but then they did not want to purchase a puppy whose parents clearly had temperament issues.

If they truly believe what they so insistently have argued for--that it's all in how you raise them, why would it matter at all if the dam and sire have crap temperaments? :rolleyesww:

Irony. Gotta love it.
 
#39 ·
From the breed standards of dobes, rotweillers.....

TEMPERAMENT

Energetic, watchful, determined alert, fearless, loyal and obedient. The judge shall dismiss from the ring any shy or vicious Doberman.

Shyness: A dog shall be judged fundamentally shy if, refusing to stand for examination, it shrinks away from the judge; if it fears an approach from the rear; if it shies at sudden and unusual noises to a marked degree.

Viciousness: A dog that attacks or attempts to attack either the judge or its handier, is definitely vicious. An aggressive or belligerent attitude towards other dogs shall not be deemed viciousness.
emperament
The Rottweiler is basically a calm, confident and courageous dog with a self-assured aloofness that does not lend itself to immediate and indiscriminate friendships. A Rottweiler is self-confident and responds quietly and with a wait-and-see attitude to influences in his environment. He has an inherent desire to protect home and family, and is an intelligent dog of extreme hardness and adaptability with a strong willingness to work, making him especially suited as a companion, guardian and general all-purpose dog.

The behavior of the Rottweiler in the show ring should be controlled, willing and adaptable, trained to submit to examination of mouth, testicles, etc. An aloof or reserved dog should not be penalized, as this reflects the accepted character of the breed. An aggressive or belligerent attitude towards other dogs should not be faulted.

A judge shall excuse from the ring any shy Rottweiler. A dog shall be judged fundamentally shy if, refusing to stand for examination, it shrinks away from the judge. A dog that in the opinion of the judge menaces or threatens him/her, or exhibits any sign that it may not be safely approached or examined by the judge in the normal manner, shall be excused from the ring. A dog that in the opinion of the judge attacks any person in the ring shall be disqualified.
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A quote from the akc about "viciousness"

R. Poorly Trained, Shy and Vicious Dogs

Excuse any dog that will not stand for examination; mark the judge’s book “Excused, unable to
examine;” and initial the notation.

Excuse any dog that in your opinion:
• Menaces
• Threatens
• Exhibits any sign that it may not be safely approached or examined in the normal manner.
Signs may include growling, showing or snapping its teeth, and rolling its eyes. Any dog that displays
such demeanor is a threat to you and every judge that follows you.
 
#42 ·
Ah, posted before my edit. To be honest I don't know if Filas are included in AKC and I don't know the working groups all that well so someone might be able to post a little more information on them. However as you can see in the standard of at least that breed (and I will prod my working buddy over the one I'm thinking of) they tell judges to expect to be bitten and make it sound like it should be a fault if they are NOT. Interesting way to approach it so like I said I'm not sure what I think of it yet.
 
#43 ·
Ahh ok see but they are judged different

Half of what makes them bite is a temperament test and then for conformation they are hands off as is.

Akc on the other hand is hands on so biting is a dq because it's a liability and shows a lack of control a well bred working breed should have.
 
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