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I am looking for a Doberman pup with good prey drive that will work. Does anyone know a good breeder?
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Do a lot of research and take your time. A dog is a lifetime commitment. The breeder must do a lot of health research to insure healthy puppies. I have had Dobermans for almost 20 years. They are the best. Take your time. Your home becomes their home and they consider you their family. Give them a good home with lots of love.

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I'm not sure where they are located, and there are more I can't think of off the top of my head. I have a girl from Landgraf - FANTASTIC working bitch.
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I am looking for a Doberman pup with good prey drive that will work. Does anyone know a good breeder?
What type of work? Schutzhund? Ring? Something else?

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What are you looking to do? What other qualities are you looking for? Preferences in look/style? Color, gender etc.

And where are you located?
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I've also owned Dobermans for 21 years. Had to put my last one down 6 weeks ago. I haven't had to look for a dog in 9 years. It's hard starting over. I started looking last week. Thanks for the advice.
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Basically I'm looking to do French Ring, Schutzhund, personal protection, and most important healthy and good temperament. I'm trying to buy from a breeder from in the US but it seems I might have to buy from another country. Does anyone have suggestions?
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Basically I'm looking to do French Ring, Schutzhund, personal protection, and most important healthy and good temperament. I'm trying to buy from a breeder from in the US but it seems I might have to buy from another country. Does anyone have suggestions?
Wow all 3? Good luck.

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I spoke to Loel Turpin from vom koby haus Dobermans. Nice person with great dogs. She doesn't plan to breed this year.
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Have you already networked / established connections to trainers or training groups? It's hard enough to find good training in one venue, let alone multiple...

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Basically I'm looking to do French Ring, Schutzhund, personal protection, and most important healthy and good temperament. I'm trying to buy from a breeder from in the US but it seems I might have to buy from another country. Does anyone have suggestions?
Have you been involved in any of these venues before? Success in any one venue is a tall order. Real success in all of these is a pipe dream. Even if you have good trainers to connect to and work with, often the training methodology will be opposite approaches.
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Does anyone know anything about www.Cutn'apath Dobermans.com or Lone Star Dobermans in Texas? Both have new litters. Both sire and bitch aren't titled. Both breeders claims the pups have a great working drive.
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why would you want a dog from someone who doesn't bother to title their dogs? have they done full health tests on the parents? what's their reason for NOT titling the dogs?
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Does anyone know anything about www.Cutn'apath Dobermans.com or Lone Star Dobermans in Texas? Both have new litters. Both sire and bitch aren't titled. Both breeders claims the pups have a great working drive.
I'll put it simply "you get what you pay for" and "you get out of it what you put in"

if they aren't doing the titling, testing, and etc.. to prove their dogs are to standard and have the ability to do the things you plan to do(not easy sports either!) then why waste your money?

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You'll already get some crap for using a dobe rather than a mal or gsd, why make it harder getting a dobe from untested parents? Seems like you'll set yourself up for failure.


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Have you already networked / established connections to trainers or training groups? It's hard enough to find good training in one venue, let alone multiple...
And are you sure you really want to take up one or more of the sports you mentioned?

Lots of visitors come out to our SchH club full of enthusiasm, but when they discover the time commitment involved, they often realize that they have neither the time nor the energy necessary to continue. In the meantime, they've purchased a high-drive dog who has few outlets for his or her energy — and that can spell disaster for the dog.

If you haven't already connected with a club or training group, my advice would be to do this before you get your dog. Go to training sessions regularly, meet the club members, participate and help out when you can, and find out about the training methods and expectations and whether they're a fit for you.
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Cara Dobermans in NY

Masaya (?)
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I'm not sure where they are located, and there are more I can't think of off the top of my head. I have a girl from Landgraf - FANTASTIC working bitch.
Masaya is either in Kentucky or Indiana.
Chalmar is in Massachusetts
vom Koby Haus is in New York

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Masaya is either in Kentucky or Indiana.
Chalmar is in Massachusetts
vom Koby Haus is in New York
Masaya and also Swift run are in Kentucky

You also have kansa dobes in kansas

Do'orden in florida
De tejas in texas


This is a list taken from a post by Sam&macksmom, please do note though that not all are working lines but they are all euro or euro/american working, show, or working/show lines.

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Does anyone know anything about www.Cutn'apath Dobermans.com or Lone Star Dobermans in Texas? Both have new litters. Both sire and bitch aren't titled. Both breeders claims the pups have a great working drive.
Even though I don't even train for "working" titles like those you are interestedin; if I was interested in dogs who could excell in those venues I surely wouldn't even consider buying from a breeders who didn't bother to put working titles on their dogs and just went along breeding them and telling prospective owners any damn thing they thought the prospect might want to hear.

I KNOW that at least one of those breeders claims great this and that but I doubt they would even KNOW great working drive if they saw it. And don't think that you are likely to do better by going to another country. Unless you know breeders in other countries and trust them to find and choose a puppy for you, you are just as likely to get the kind of thing the standard BYB produces. I'd be prepared to wait for a good puppy from a good breeder who does title their dogs and has a track record.

Good luck in your search. My first choice in Dobes happens to be conformation--I don't buy from breeders who don't show and who don't produce puppies who go on to become champions. I also train my dogs and show them in Obedience, Rally and Agility after they are through in the conformation ring--all of my dogs for years have had advanced titles in at least some of those venues to go along with their championship. I figure I can train anything but if the structure isn't there they aren't going to do well in the conformation ring. From what I hear from the the better breeders of dogs who work and have the kind of drive to be successful you need that first if you are aiming at high level performance--following that you need conformation that will give them longevity in the working venue of your choice. I'd be looking for a breeder who breeds seldom and works their dogs a lot and titles them.
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Does anyone know anything about www.Cutn'apath Dobermans.com or Lone Star Dobermans in Texas? Both have new litters. Both sire and bitch aren't titled. Both breeders claims the pups have a great working drive.
I e-mailed back and forth a bit last year with the owner of Lone Star in Texas. In response to a simple "I don't want a Z-factored dog" statement by me, her answer was "It only matters if you breed them to another Z-factored dog". Sooo.... are her dogs Z-factored? I don't know, but she didn't just come out and say that they were not. That, and the lack of titles and skimpy health testing info is enough for me not to get a dog from there.

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I'm glad everyone agrees with me about breeding untitled dogs. I've done Schutzhund and personal protection training with my last dog. It does require a lot of time and work. But most important you need the right dog for it. Well if anyone hears of a good working litter please let me know. Thanks for all the good advise.
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Please ignore the De'ordun reference and steer clear of her kennel.....

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I'm glad everyone agrees with me about breeding untitled dogs. I've done Schutzhund and personal protection training with my last dog. It does require a lot of time and work. But most important you need the right dog for it. Well if anyone hears of a good working litter please let me know. Thanks for all the good advise.
So were you trying to test us or something? Or covering yourself and pretending you knew better? Not really understanding the point of bringing them up.


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There are a number of good litters coming up this year for sport. There are also a number that are going to be advertised as sport litters that I would have my doubts about. Pretty much it will be up to you to decide what bloodlines you are interested in and what "type" of puppy you want.

If all you want is a nice club level dog, then I think there are quite a few litters that could suit your needs. If you want a ring dog, that will be a little different than a SchH dog.

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To answer odiakkoh nasty comment. I wanted to see if I was the only one that feels this way about breeding untitled dogs. Why would I try to test anyone or care about your knowledge about this.
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