Locating a reasonable, reputable, breeder - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums

Puppy Corner Everything Puppy related goes here

DobermanTalk.com is the premier Doberman Dog Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-14-2013, 08:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
Lil Pup
 
Posts: 10
Dogs Name: Tell us your dogs name

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit iSunGod's Gallery
Thanks: 6
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iSunGod is infamous around these partsiSunGod is infamous around these partsiSunGod is infamous around these partsiSunGod is infamous around these parts
Locating a reasonable, reputable, breeder

Greetings to all. I am a new member the forum and was going to buy a puppy from a first time breeder and ended up backing out of the deal for a number of reasons - mainly the situation didn't seem right, kept getting worse, and I felt VERY uncomfortable getting the pup from them even though I wanted him very badly. I apologize for the upcoming, possibly incoherent, babble but I have a lot of random thoughts regarding this issue/search and I promise I'm not trolling so please be kind to my random-thought babble.

Currently I am looking for a puppy at a reasonable price(~$1000) without having to sacrifice quality. I've been lurking in these forums, as well as others, and have come to the conclusion that most of the members only really support breeders that charge a ridiculous amount of money for a "pet" puppy. I've gone through the list on DPCA of breeders and contacted most of them in my area and I can't believe that they charge $1,500+ for a pet. A lot of the breeders in my area have titled dogs, Good/Excellent OFA ratings posted, vWD clear, etc which is great for the breed but NOT great for the consumer's pocket book. I understand that these breeders have spared no expense along with an invaluable amount of time to do the right thing by the breed but how can the average Joe afford to get one of these dogs as purely a pet?

Lets say, hypothetically, all the Z-factored dogs were gone and we finally get rid of that pesky vWD problem, and hips/elbows/eyes were all certified excellent... the best possible scenario for the Doberman. That would leave the basically the dogs of an even higher quality remaining that would drive the price up even further making the Doberman even more out of reach for the average person, right?

My question (sorry for the babble) what is considered an acceptable dog that doesn't come from a breeder that has basically run the gambit on their dogs? Is it wrong to buy from a breeder that has been breeding for x+ years, owns the dogs, knows the history of their dogs (life span/health issues/temperament, etc) does background/reference checks, and genuinely cares where the pup goes even though they may not have done health testing or any kind of titling?

Thanks again for any responses.
iSunGod is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jan 2013
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 01-14-2013, 09:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
Got mutt?
 
Rosemary's Avatar
 
Posts: 7,552
Location: Southeast Texas
Dogs Name: Ilka (Mutt), and Leo (GSD)
Titles: Ilka-BN RE CA CGC; Leo-UKC CA
Dogs Age: Ilka 4; Leo 2; Lucky 2000-2014
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Rosemary's Gallery
Thanks: 22,495
Thanked 16,262 Times in 5,711 Posts
Rosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond reputeRosemary has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by iSunGod View Post
Greetings to all. I am a new member the forum and was going to buy a puppy from a first time breeder and ended up backing out of the deal for a number of reasons - mainly the situation didn't seem right, kept getting worse, and I felt VERY uncomfortable getting the pup from them even though I wanted him very badly. I apologize for the upcoming, possibly incoherent, babble but I have a lot of random thoughts regarding this issue/search and I promise I'm not trolling so please be kind to my random-thought babble.

Currently I am looking for a puppy at a reasonable price(~$1000) without having to sacrifice quality. I've been lurking in these forums, as well as others, and have come to the conclusion that most of the members only really support breeders that charge a ridiculous amount of money for a "pet" puppy. I've gone through the list on DPCA of breeders and contacted most of them in my area and I can't believe that they charge $1,500+ for a pet. A lot of the breeders in my area have titled dogs, Good/Excellent OFA ratings posted, vWD clear, etc which is great for the breed but NOT great for the consumer's pocket book. I understand that these breeders have spared no expense along with an invaluable amount of time to do the right thing by the breed but how can the average Joe afford to get one of these dogs as purely a pet?

Lets say, hypothetically, all the Z-factored dogs were gone and we finally get rid of that pesky vWD problem, and hips/elbows/eyes were all certified excellent... the best possible scenario for the Doberman. That would leave the basically the dogs of an even higher quality remaining that would drive the price up even further making the Doberman even more out of reach for the average person, right?

My question (sorry for the babble) what is considered an acceptable dog that doesn't come from a breeder that has basically run the gambit on their dogs? Is it wrong to buy from a breeder that has been breeding for x+ years, owns the dogs, knows the history of their dogs (life span/health issues/temperament, etc) does background/reference checks, and genuinely cares where the pup goes even though they may not have done health testing or any kind of titling?

Thanks again for any responses.
In answer to the part I bolded: a rescue.
__________________

CA Speed Queen Leontine Von Washateria
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC
Lucky Rat Dog CGC ~2000-2014~ Requiescat In Pace
Rosemary is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jan 2012
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Rosemary For This Useful Post:
brw1982 (01-15-2013), eighmie (01-15-2013), EmilyB (01-15-2013), Herb2relax (01-15-2013), iSunGod (01-15-2013), Nynaeve (01-14-2013), RedFawnRising (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-14-2013), Thor_Red (01-15-2013), vivienne00 (01-15-2013)
Old 01-14-2013, 09:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
Banned
 
Posts: 7,462
Location: TX
Dogs Name: Zelda(siberian husky), Optimus Prime(doberman)
Titles: CGC, Certified Therapy Dog
Dogs Age: 7, 4
Gallery Pics: 12
Visit ZeldaRules's Gallery
Thanks: 9,240
Thanked 21,074 Times in 5,362 Posts
Images: 12
ZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how ZeldaRules became a supporter
Quote:
Originally Posted by iSunGod View Post
Is it wrong to buy from a breeder that has been breeding for x+ years, owns the dogs, knows the history of their dogs (life span/health issues/temperament, etc) does background/reference checks, and genuinely cares where the pup goes even though they may not have done health testing or any kind of titling?

Thanks again for any responses.

Contradiction.


From Rhapsody Dobermans:

THE PURCHASE:
The purchase of a purebred, registered puppy is a very important decision that should be considered very carefully.
In the purchase of a Doberman Pinscher (or any other breed), a buyer deserves a dog that is healthy, attractive, mentally sound, and functionally correct. It should be a dog that has the best possible chance of providing years of companionship, whether it be as just a pet... or for show events (conformation) ... or for performance competition (obedience, agility, flyball, tracking, schutzhund, etc)...or work (search & rescue, guide dog, medical assistance, therapy work, etc.)


THE BREEDER:
All ethical and responsible breeders health test, temperament test, title their dogs, and aim to produce only the highest quality Dobermans, which will better the gene pool.
Responsible breeders are choosy about which dogs they breed – they study pedigrees for quality in conformation, health, longevity, temperament and working ability.
All ethical and responsible breeders health test, temperament test, title their dogs, and strive to produce only the highest quality Dobermans, thereby improving the breeds gene pool.
They try to find the absolute best match for their female, sometimes traveling to great lengths to find the best male. Some people may feel it doesn’t matter which breeder they deal with because all they want is a nice pet...that it doesn’t matter if the parents of the dogs have any conformation, obedience, working or temperament titles. But it DOES matter! A breeder who doesn't health test, temperament test and title their dogs is basically saying that a buyer does NOT deserve any of this.

It's extremely insulting that a breeder would try to satisfy a person with something that requires less knowledge, less effort, less commitment, and less cost per unit. Don't settle for that!


THE SEARCH:
In your search for the "perfect" dog, you may have noticed that the prices vary widely. Newspaper ads may show one litter selling at $800.00 each and one at $1000.00 each. Though both are AKC registered, you will see through our conversations that AKC "papers/registered" are no indication of the quality of the pup. In this area a well-bred "pet" quality puppy generally starts at $1,500.00. Show quality puppies start at $2500.00 and go up from there.

Breeders set their own prices. Each breeder approaches breeding with a slightly different philosophy and has different regimens for raising puppies. Some are more involved and more thorough in pedigree research than others. Time and effort needed to research pedigrees, find the proper mate, breed and deliver healthy puppies, requires a breeder's time, energy and expertise...and generally speaking the price will reflect that.

If one divided the cost of a puppy over the 10+ years of a dog's life and takes into consideration extra veterinary expenses that may occur with poorly bred pups, the price is not unreasonable.


TAKE YOUR TIME:
Never settle for less because of time, money or other considerations. Your pup may be a part of your family for ten to fifteen years and compromises now will affect you and your dog for a long time to come. If you are not able to find the puppy you want immediately, a few weeks or months of patience will generally be rewarding. In fact, getting a pup from some of the better litters usually requires a wait - as many are sold in advance of whelping. So educate yourself, look around and see what is available by attending local shows and communicating with other owners. Talk with various breeders about required and expected standards and be wary of faults that are bred into the breed by the "backyard" breeders.





If you still don't get it, then I'm sorry but this might be the wrong forum for you. Please read our manifesto if you haven't already. Our sole concern is the welfare of the Doberman breed. I am in my 20's and am low/virtually no income as I am a student. I purchased my $1500 puppy from a great breeder. The price was nothing compared to all that I got out of the deal.

Last edited by ZeldaRules; 01-14-2013 at 09:26 PM..
ZeldaRules is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2009
The Following 19 Users Say Thank You to ZeldaRules For This Useful Post:
Adara (01-15-2013), alan j. (01-14-2013), Beaumont67 (01-14-2013), Brandy&Melanie (01-14-2013), EmilyB (01-15-2013), Feverhaus (01-15-2013), HarvestMoon (01-15-2013), MelissaRz (01-15-2013), mrsnitrobob (01-15-2013), My4BadDogs (01-15-2013), Navid_K (01-16-2013), PatchworkRobot (01-14-2013), RedFawnRising (01-15-2013), Rosemary (01-14-2013), Sam1491 (01-15-2013), Shell81 (01-14-2013), Sinister (01-14-2013), Thor_Red (01-15-2013), vivienne00 (01-15-2013)
Old 01-14-2013, 09:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
formerly AvianAntics
 
ShelianDobe's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,001
Location: SW Michigan
Dogs Name: *AKC GCH/UKC CH Lyndobe's Wheel of Fortune - "Wheeler" *Windsong's Fame N Fortune v Shelian "Fame"
Titles: Wheeler - AKC GCH/UKC CH, RO1
Dogs Age: Wheeler: 11/13/08 Fame: 07/10/13
Gallery Pics: 17
Visit ShelianDobe's Gallery
Thanks: 1,952
Thanked 10,281 Times in 2,870 Posts
Images: 17
ShelianDobe has a reputation beyond reputeShelianDobe has a reputation beyond reputeShelianDobe has a reputation beyond reputeShelianDobe has a reputation beyond reputeShelianDobe has a reputation beyond reputeShelianDobe has a reputation beyond reputeShelianDobe has a reputation beyond reputeShelianDobe has a reputation beyond reputeShelianDobe has a reputation beyond reputeShelianDobe has a reputation beyond reputeShelianDobe has a reputation beyond repute
I get what you are saying and I understand that not everybody can afford to pay $1500.00 for a puppy. However, what you aren't taking into consideration is the current health status of this breed. They have lots and lots and lots of problems, serious, expensive, ongoing problems. So.......... if you get a puppy for, lets say $800.00 from a breeder that doesn't health test the likely hood is that you are going to spend tons of money in vet bills.

vWD for instance can be an issue during any type of surgery, be it spay, neuter, or??? Hip or Elbow Dysplasia can render a dog crippled and the medications to keep a Dysplastic dog comfortable aren't cheap. The surgery for HD is very expensive and will far exceed the original price of the dog. CERF (eyes) --- well eye issues can = blind, and a blind dog = a number of lifestyle changes for both dog and owner. Thyroid can generally be managed relatively inexpensively, once diagnosed and controlled. However, a full Thyroid panel can cost upwards of $200.00. Liver issues can be very expensive to manage and unfortunately copper toxicosis isn't all that uncommon in Dobes.

What I would do in your situation is save your pennies until you have about 2k saved, and go with a reputable breeder that both titles and tests their dogs. Or, Rescue. There are many nice dogs in Rescue needing homes. In either case be sure to acquire pet insurance.

Welcome to DT, and kudo's to you for asking questions. Please stay and learn.
__________________
Shelly Wing
AKC GCH/UKC CH, RO3 Lyndobe's Wheel of Fortune, "Wheeler"
AKC Ptd/UKC CH Windsong's Fortune Hunter v Shelian, "Spock"
AKC Maj Ptd Windsong's Fame N Fortune v Shelian, "Fame"

ShelianDobe is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Apr 2009
The Following 21 Users Say Thank You to ShelianDobe For This Useful Post:
Adara (01-15-2013), Amelia_ (01-15-2013), barb0604 (01-14-2013), Beaumont67 (01-14-2013), blueberry (01-15-2013), Brandy&Melanie (01-14-2013), brw1982 (01-15-2013), eighmie (01-15-2013), EmilyB (01-15-2013), Feverhaus (01-15-2013), GRAYGHOST (01-15-2013), HarvestMoon (01-15-2013), Hilary (01-15-2013), MaxsMom (01-15-2013), My4BadDogs (01-15-2013), Nynaeve (01-14-2013), RedFawnRising (01-15-2013), Rosemary (01-14-2013), Sinister (01-14-2013), Thor_Red (01-15-2013), vivienne00 (01-15-2013)
Old 01-14-2013, 09:53 PM   #5 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Fitzmar Dobermans's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,878
Location: S. E. Pennsylvania
Dogs Name: Louise, Harvard, Jezebel
Titles: AKC CH & GrCh, CD, RN, WAC, CGC, TDInc
Dogs Age: 9, 6, and 2 years
Gallery Pics: 11
Visit Fitzmar Dobermans's Gallery
Thanks: 2,895
Thanked 14,906 Times in 3,321 Posts
Images: 11
Fitzmar Dobermans has a reputation beyond reputeFitzmar Dobermans has a reputation beyond reputeFitzmar Dobermans has a reputation beyond reputeFitzmar Dobermans has a reputation beyond reputeFitzmar Dobermans has a reputation beyond reputeFitzmar Dobermans has a reputation beyond reputeFitzmar Dobermans has a reputation beyond reputeFitzmar Dobermans has a reputation beyond reputeFitzmar Dobermans has a reputation beyond reputeFitzmar Dobermans has a reputation beyond reputeFitzmar Dobermans has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how Fitzmar Dobermans became a supporter
I don't even know where to begin... so basically I'm not. All I'm going to say is this: commercial greeders already charge more than most reputable breeders, and my last litter cost me more than $1000 per puppy to produce (does not take into account the cost to show the bitch OR any of my time) - and it was a healthy litter with no complications. Do you really expect us to give you a puppy at a price that does not even cover our costs?

Let me ask you a question - Do you work for free? I'm very tired of people wanting a puppy from health tested, titled parents AND from a reputable breeder who stands behind their dogs....... but are not willing to pay what it costs for a quality dog. While this is a hobby for most of us, it is a very expensive one and we can't afford to give away puppies as most of us are not rich people.

Ghaaaaa
__________________
Mary Jo Ansel
Fitzmar


CH Cha-Rish A Moment Like This RN WAC CGC "Louise"
AKC GRCH/UKC CH Fitzmar's Command A Minute CGC "Harvard"
Fitzmar's Victory Hop Devil CGC "Jezebel"
Fitzmar Dobermans is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Mar 2006
The Following 37 Users Say Thank You to Fitzmar Dobermans For This Useful Post:
Adara (01-15-2013), AgileDobe (01-15-2013), Amelia_ (01-15-2013), barb0604 (01-14-2013), blackdoberboy (01-28-2013), Brandy&Melanie (01-14-2013), brw1982 (01-15-2013), Burns (01-15-2013), Cressrb (01-15-2013), dapple (01-14-2013), dobegal (01-15-2013), eighmie (01-15-2013), EmilyB (01-15-2013), falnfenix (01-15-2013), gatehouse (01-15-2013), GingerGunlock (01-15-2013), HarvestMoon (01-15-2013), Herb2relax (01-15-2013), Hilary (01-15-2013), Julie W (01-15-2013), MaxsMom (01-15-2013), nagaer525 (01-15-2013), PatchworkRobot (01-14-2013), PortersMama (01-15-2013), rainddobes (01-15-2013), RedFawnRising (01-15-2013), Rosamburg (01-16-2013), Rosemary (01-14-2013), Sam1491 (01-15-2013), Shell81 (01-14-2013), Sinister (01-14-2013), SpecialK (01-15-2013), StarlaineK9 (01-15-2013), Thor_Red (01-15-2013), travisraghib (01-15-2013), triciakoontz (01-15-2013), ZeldaRules (01-14-2013)
Old 01-14-2013, 10:04 PM   #6 (permalink)
Alpha
 
RottenVonSpotten's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,325
Dogs Name: Otto RIP; foster Dane
Titles: Spoiled Rotten Von Spotten, Sir Spotty
Dogs Age: 8/4/98-4/18/11
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit RottenVonSpotten's Gallery
Thanks: 8,071
Thanked 6,251 Times in 1,873 Posts
RottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond repute
What if you saved up a bit more over the next couple of months while puppy searching? Chances are you will end up on a waitlist anyways so that could be a great time to set a bit more money aside.
RottenVonSpotten is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Sep 2010
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to RottenVonSpotten For This Useful Post:
Adara (01-15-2013), brw1982 (01-15-2013), Herb2relax (01-15-2013), My4BadDogs (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-14-2013)
Old 01-14-2013, 10:25 PM   #7 (permalink)
Lil Pup
 
Posts: 10
Dogs Name: Tell us your dogs name

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit iSunGod's Gallery
Thanks: 6
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iSunGod is infamous around these partsiSunGod is infamous around these partsiSunGod is infamous around these partsiSunGod is infamous around these parts
At this current point in time I'm not looking to rescue but thank you for the suggestions to do so.

In regards to the financial portions it isn't that I don't have the money to spend the $1500+ it's just that it seems a bit ridiculous for the average person to have to spend that much to get a pet. I understand, 100%, that we have the list of reputable breeders (for any breed) for a reason but I feel the prices they charge are getting to be outrageous and is only going to get worse as time passes on.

@Fitzmar... all I can say is wow. I'm not even really sure how to respond to what you said. To answer your question - no I don't work for free but I also don't expect people to pay top dollar to support my hobby. I can build you a computer that will cost $5000, will far exceed any PC you'll purchase at any retailer, and will last longer than anything you'll find from the top manufactures but I bet you'd still go to Best Buy(or your local electronics store) and buy a computer that is better for your pocketbook regardless of how long it will last or the quality of the parts.

Oh! And thank you to those that responded. Your input and knowledge is appreciated.

Last edited by iSunGod; 01-14-2013 at 10:31 PM..
iSunGod is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jan 2013
Old 01-14-2013, 10:31 PM   #8 (permalink)
Vicious Bitch.
 
Sinister's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,074
Dogs Name: Juno vom Langraf
Titles: Juno: IPO, flyball, UKC conformation training.
Dogs Age: July 10th 2011
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Sinister's Gallery
Thanks: 12,927
Thanked 7,061 Times in 2,155 Posts
Sinister has a reputation beyond reputeSinister has a reputation beyond reputeSinister has a reputation beyond reputeSinister has a reputation beyond reputeSinister has a reputation beyond reputeSinister has a reputation beyond reputeSinister has a reputation beyond reputeSinister has a reputation beyond reputeSinister has a reputation beyond reputeSinister has a reputation beyond reputeSinister has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by iSunGod View Post
At this current point in time I'm not looking to rescue but thank you for the suggestions to do so.

In regards to the financial portions it isn't that I don't have the money to spend the $1500+ it's just that it seems a bit ridiculous for the average person to have to spend that much to get a pet. I understand, 100%, that we have the list of reputable breeders (for any breed) for a reason but I feel the prices they charge are getting to be outrageous and is only going to get worse as time passes on.

@Fitzmar... all I can say is wow. I'm not even really sure how to respond to what you said. To answer your question - no I don't work for free but I also don't expect people to pay top dollar to support my hobby.
I bought my first dobe between the normal prices ($1500-$2000 + shipping from CA to VA), a little over a year ago. I'm 17 as of now, and I have very little "privileges" money wise. Everything I have is earned (pay from my own phone, dog food, vet, training, etc) - and I see absolutely no problem with the prices breeders charge. This breed is expensive. And not the healthiest (ie, this breed is plagued - heart problems, blood problems, joint problems, etc) - and if not properly bred or tested, this breed would perish. Dogs need to be properly conformed, and healthy. That costs money to produce.

Last edited by Sinister; 01-14-2013 at 10:33 PM..
Sinister is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jul 2011
The Following 13 Users Say Thank You to Sinister For This Useful Post:
Adobe4two (01-15-2013), Brandy&Melanie (01-14-2013), brw1982 (01-15-2013), Burns (01-15-2013), eighmie (01-15-2013), falnfenix (01-15-2013), GingerGunlock (01-15-2013), HarvestMoon (01-15-2013), Nynaeve (01-15-2013), PatchworkRobot (01-14-2013), RottenVonSpotten (01-14-2013), Thor_Red (01-15-2013), ZeldaRules (01-14-2013)
Old 01-14-2013, 10:36 PM   #9 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Sizzledog's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,960
Location: Central IA
Dogs Name: Kaylee, Poison, Stark

Gallery Pics: 52
Visit Sizzledog's Gallery
Thanks: 425
Thanked 12,277 Times in 1,932 Posts
Images: 52
Sizzledog has a reputation beyond reputeSizzledog has a reputation beyond reputeSizzledog has a reputation beyond reputeSizzledog has a reputation beyond reputeSizzledog has a reputation beyond reputeSizzledog has a reputation beyond reputeSizzledog has a reputation beyond reputeSizzledog has a reputation beyond reputeSizzledog has a reputation beyond reputeSizzledog has a reputation beyond reputeSizzledog has a reputation beyond repute
Puppy prices don't "support a hobby" - that makes it seem like breeders should operate in the red, just so people can get their cute pet puppies at a more affordable price. I don't really see that as fair.

When I got my first Doberman more than 10 years ago, pet price was $1200. But fuel was also about $1.65/gallon, our vet care was cheaper, utilities for our homes were cheaper. I saved up that $1200 when I was still in high school. Want something bad enough, and anything is possible.
__________________
BIMBS MBAIMBS U-CH Kaylee BN RN CAA TT CGC TDI
MBIMBS U-CH Poison CA
Aura's Iron Man, a.k.a Stark

Last edited by Sizzledog; 01-14-2013 at 10:39 PM..
Sizzledog is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2006
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Sizzledog For This Useful Post:
Adara (01-15-2013), brw1982 (01-15-2013), eighmie (01-15-2013), GRAYGHOST (01-15-2013), GrdnDelite (02-22-2013), My4BadDogs (01-15-2013), RedFawnRising (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-14-2013), Thor_Red (01-15-2013), ZeldaRules (01-14-2013)
Old 01-14-2013, 10:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
Alpha
 
RottenVonSpotten's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,325
Dogs Name: Otto RIP; foster Dane
Titles: Spoiled Rotten Von Spotten, Sir Spotty
Dogs Age: 8/4/98-4/18/11
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit RottenVonSpotten's Gallery
Thanks: 8,071
Thanked 6,251 Times in 1,873 Posts
RottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond reputeRottenVonSpotten has a reputation beyond repute
To add to Sinister's post, I'm a broke grad student and am fully willing to pay up to $3000 for the right dog from an ethical breeder. In my eyes it's a better investment than all the expensive electronics I have sitting around my apartment.
RottenVonSpotten is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Sep 2010
The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to RottenVonSpotten For This Useful Post:
Beaumont67 (01-14-2013), brw1982 (01-15-2013), Burns (01-15-2013), eighmie (01-15-2013), GRAYGHOST (01-15-2013), GrdnDelite (02-22-2013), My4BadDogs (01-15-2013), RedFawnRising (01-15-2013), Shell81 (01-14-2013), Sinister (01-14-2013), sullylas (01-15-2013), Thor_Red (01-15-2013)
Old 01-14-2013, 10:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
Banned
 
Posts: 7,462
Location: TX
Dogs Name: Zelda(siberian husky), Optimus Prime(doberman)
Titles: CGC, Certified Therapy Dog
Dogs Age: 7, 4
Gallery Pics: 12
Visit ZeldaRules's Gallery
Thanks: 9,240
Thanked 21,074 Times in 5,362 Posts
Images: 12
ZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how ZeldaRules became a supporter
Cost of breeding a Doberman litter article...it's gotta be floating around here somewhere.
ZeldaRules is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2009
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to ZeldaRules For This Useful Post:
Adara (01-15-2013), My4BadDogs (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-14-2013)
Old 01-14-2013, 10:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
u mad?
 
PatchworkRobot's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,327
Location: Texas
Dogs Name: Rhapsody's Mystery of the Spanish Chest - "Dreizehn", Gaia's Bijort - "Ruthless"
Titles: UKC CH for Dreizehn, CGC for both, CA for both
Dogs Age: Born December 2010, July 2011
Gallery Pics: 5
Visit PatchworkRobot's Gallery
Thanks: 4,669
Thanked 15,576 Times in 4,512 Posts
Images: 5
PatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeldaRules View Post
Cost of breeding a Doberman litter article...it's gotta be floating around here somewhere.
Cost of having a litter of puppies....
Whats it cost to breed?


Quote:
Originally Posted by RottenVonSpotten View Post
To add to Sinister's post, I'm a broke grad student and am fully willing to pay up to $3000 for the right dog from an ethical breeder. In my eyes it's a better investment than all the expensive electronics I have sitting around my apartment.
I am also a broke grad student. I saved up or my well bred doberman through-out undergrad and it's the best decision I ever made. I would not hesitate to save up and spend a hefty amount for a well bred dog again either. As with many things, you get EXACTLY what you pay for when it comes to breeders.
__________________


No dog is at fault for being born into this world.

Last edited by PatchworkRobot; 01-14-2013 at 10:55 PM..
PatchworkRobot is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jan 2011
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to PatchworkRobot For This Useful Post:
GingerGunlock (01-15-2013), GrdnDelite (02-22-2013), RedFawnRising (01-15-2013), Rosemary (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-14-2013), ZeldaRules (01-14-2013)
Old 01-14-2013, 11:01 PM   #13 (permalink)
Alpha
 
odiakkoh's Avatar
 
Posts: 825
Location: Hiroshima, Japan

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit odiakkoh's Gallery
Thanks: 1,553
Thanked 1,308 Times in 531 Posts
odiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond reputeodiakkoh has a reputation beyond repute
Building a cheaper computer only hurts the person using it and if you're someone who just browses online and types up documents it might not hurt you at all.

Dobermans are animals and to create more you need to pass down genetic material, the bad along with the good. Creating a cheaper Doberman hurts the breed all around and everyone who loves the breed.


Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App
odiakkoh is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2011
The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to odiakkoh For This Useful Post:
Adara (01-15-2013), blackdoberboy (01-28-2013), EmilyB (01-15-2013), GRAYGHOST (01-15-2013), GrdnDelite (02-22-2013), My4BadDogs (01-15-2013), PatchworkRobot (01-14-2013), RedFawnRising (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-14-2013)
Old 01-14-2013, 11:08 PM   #14 (permalink)
Alpha schmalpha
 
alan j.'s Avatar
 
Posts: 1,100
Location: Florida

Gallery Pics: 1
Visit alan j.'s Gallery
Thanks: 1,889
Thanked 1,723 Times in 736 Posts
Images: 1
alan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond repute
this sounds familar
alan j. is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2012
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to alan j. For This Useful Post:
EmilyB (01-15-2013), falnfenix (01-15-2013), RedFawnRising (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-14-2013)
Old 01-14-2013, 11:14 PM   #15 (permalink)
u mad?
 
PatchworkRobot's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,327
Location: Texas
Dogs Name: Rhapsody's Mystery of the Spanish Chest - "Dreizehn", Gaia's Bijort - "Ruthless"
Titles: UKC CH for Dreizehn, CGC for both, CA for both
Dogs Age: Born December 2010, July 2011
Gallery Pics: 5
Visit PatchworkRobot's Gallery
Thanks: 4,669
Thanked 15,576 Times in 4,512 Posts
Images: 5
PatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond reputePatchworkRobot has a reputation beyond repute
It's cool guys, I found the perfect dog. Within budget for purchase price, low vet bills, NO health issues, easy to care for, and easy to train.....




__________________


No dog is at fault for being born into this world.
PatchworkRobot is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jan 2011
The Following 13 Users Say Thank You to PatchworkRobot For This Useful Post:
blackdoberboy (01-28-2013), Brandy&Melanie (01-14-2013), eighmie (01-15-2013), Fitzmar Dobermans (01-15-2013), GRAYGHOST (01-15-2013), Hilary (01-15-2013), PortersMama (01-15-2013), Reznik (01-15-2013), Rosemary (01-15-2013), Shell81 (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-14-2013), vivienne00 (01-15-2013), ZeldaRules (01-15-2013)
Old 01-15-2013, 12:08 AM   #16 (permalink)
BYB Hunter
 
Brandy&Melanie's Avatar
 
Posts: 910
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Dogs Name: Gentry's Pretty in Pink: "Molly", and Gentry's Brandy Alexander: "Brandy" CGN (RIP)
Titles: CGN (Brandy)
Dogs Age: 15 weeks, and 2 years (RIP)
Gallery Pics: 1
Visit Brandy&Melanie's Gallery
Thanks: 7,966
Thanked 1,828 Times in 566 Posts
Images: 1
Brandy&Melanie has a reputation beyond reputeBrandy&Melanie has a reputation beyond reputeBrandy&Melanie has a reputation beyond reputeBrandy&Melanie has a reputation beyond reputeBrandy&Melanie has a reputation beyond reputeBrandy&Melanie has a reputation beyond reputeBrandy&Melanie has a reputation beyond reputeBrandy&Melanie has a reputation beyond reputeBrandy&Melanie has a reputation beyond reputeBrandy&Melanie has a reputation beyond reputeBrandy&Melanie has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how Brandy&Melanie became a supporter
Actually, good breeders can sometimes actually lose money trying to create a healthy litter. $1500 sounds like a lot of money to pay for a pet, but if you pay a BYB $500 for a pup, you will get what you pay for. A BYB dog will most likely cost much more in vet bills later in life, than the well bred dog who you paid more for in the first place. If you spend the $1500 - $2000 on a good breeder that cares about their dogs, and health tests, you are not going to have to pay a vet to take care of issues like an improper dock, cropping, worms, parvo, and vWD tests after the BYB dumps the pup on your door and says: "See ya!" Spending the $1500 - $2000 now is going to set you up to a much brighter future in terms of paying to upkeep the dog.

To sum it up, it is basically your choice to pay a fair price now, or pay a great price later.
__________________
"Whenever I hear somebody talk about a horse being stupid, I figure it's a sure sign that the animal has somehow outfoxed them."
- Tom Dorrance

RIP Grandma Lois; the Doberman world will never be the same..


Doberman Club of Canada:
www.dpcc.ca
Brandy&Melanie is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Oct 2011
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Brandy&Melanie For This Useful Post:
Burns (01-15-2013), iSunGod (01-15-2013), Rednec_13 (01-15-2013), Rosemary (01-15-2013), Sam1491 (01-15-2013), Shell81 (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-15-2013), Thor_Red (01-15-2013)
Old 01-15-2013, 12:25 AM   #17 (permalink)
Paralibrarian
 
GingerGunlock's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,736
Location: CNY
Dogs Name: Elka
Titles: NTD
Dogs Age: DOB 5-16-09
Gallery Pics: 1
Visit GingerGunlock's Gallery
Thanks: 20,407
Thanked 10,683 Times in 4,467 Posts
Images: 1
GingerGunlock has a reputation beyond reputeGingerGunlock has a reputation beyond reputeGingerGunlock has a reputation beyond reputeGingerGunlock has a reputation beyond reputeGingerGunlock has a reputation beyond reputeGingerGunlock has a reputation beyond reputeGingerGunlock has a reputation beyond reputeGingerGunlock has a reputation beyond reputeGingerGunlock has a reputation beyond reputeGingerGunlock has a reputation beyond reputeGingerGunlock has a reputation beyond repute
Depending on what you need it for, $1500 can build you a pretty good machine. And also a pretty good Doberman. Coincidence?
__________________
GingerGunlock is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jan 2011
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to GingerGunlock For This Useful Post:
Adara (01-15-2013), falnfenix (01-15-2013), GrdnDelite (02-22-2013), My4BadDogs (01-15-2013), Rosemary (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-15-2013)
Old 01-15-2013, 12:54 AM   #18 (permalink)
Alpha
 
CalamitysHuckleberry's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,369
Dogs Name: Tell us your dogs name

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit CalamitysHuckleberry's Gallery
Thanks: 1,220
Thanked 2,321 Times in 865 Posts
CalamitysHuckleberry has a reputation beyond reputeCalamitysHuckleberry has a reputation beyond reputeCalamitysHuckleberry has a reputation beyond reputeCalamitysHuckleberry has a reputation beyond reputeCalamitysHuckleberry has a reputation beyond reputeCalamitysHuckleberry has a reputation beyond reputeCalamitysHuckleberry has a reputation beyond reputeCalamitysHuckleberry has a reputation beyond reputeCalamitysHuckleberry has a reputation beyond reputeCalamitysHuckleberry has a reputation beyond reputeCalamitysHuckleberry has a reputation beyond repute
I bet I have spent over $2000 just in behavioral training issues that I wouldn't have never had if I had went to a reputable breeder. Not to mention the future money I'm sure I will be spending on medical issues. After all that, I'm still having behavioral issues and getting ready to drop another grand.

Some things you just don't go generic on!


Sent from my iPhone using Petguide.com Free App
CalamitysHuckleberry is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Dec 2012
The Following 17 Users Say Thank You to CalamitysHuckleberry For This Useful Post:
Adara (01-15-2013), Brandy&Melanie (01-15-2013), eighmie (01-15-2013), EmilyB (01-15-2013), falnfenix (01-15-2013), GrdnDelite (02-22-2013), HarvestMoon (01-15-2013), Hilary (01-15-2013), iSunGod (01-15-2013), MeadowCat (01-15-2013), Nynaeve (01-15-2013), RedFawnRising (01-15-2013), Rosemary (01-15-2013), RottenVonSpotten (01-15-2013), Sam1491 (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-15-2013), Thor_Red (01-15-2013)
Old 01-15-2013, 05:02 AM   #19 (permalink)
Alpha
 
Adobe4two's Avatar
 
Posts: 552
Location: Florida
Dogs Name: Goryeo
Dogs Age: 1 year
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Adobe4two's Gallery
Thanks: 518
Thanked 1,593 Times in 427 Posts
Adobe4two has a reputation beyond reputeAdobe4two has a reputation beyond reputeAdobe4two has a reputation beyond reputeAdobe4two has a reputation beyond reputeAdobe4two has a reputation beyond reputeAdobe4two has a reputation beyond reputeAdobe4two has a reputation beyond reputeAdobe4two has a reputation beyond reputeAdobe4two has a reputation beyond reputeAdobe4two has a reputation beyond reputeAdobe4two has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by iSunGod View Post
At this current point in time I'm not looking to rescue but thank you for the suggestions to do so.

In regards to the financial portions it isn't that I don't have the money to spend the $1500+ it's just that it seems a bit ridiculous for the average person to have to spend that much to get a pet. I understand, 100%, that we have the list of reputable breeders (for any breed) for a reason but I feel the prices they charge are getting to be outrageous and is only going to get worse as time passes on.

@Fitzmar... all I can say is wow. I'm not even really sure how to respond to what you said. To answer your question - no I don't work for free but I also don't expect people to pay top dollar to support my hobby. I can build you a computer that will cost $5000, will far exceed any PC you'll purchase at any retailer, and will last longer than anything you'll find from the top manufactures but I bet you'd still go to Best Buy(or your local electronics store) and buy a computer that is better for your pocketbook regardless of how long it will last or the quality of the parts.

Oh! And thank you to those that responded. Your input and knowledge is appreciated.

Well, lets look at it this way.

Someone comes to you because they WANT that $5,000 computer. But they think that price is outrageous and you should take a loss, for their benefit, because thats just too ridiculous for someone who JUST wants to play games and send emails. But they don't want to buy a second hand computer (rescue) or go to a sub-standard computer tech or shop (Puppy mill / BYB).

Does it sound reasonable that they'd expect you to spend a small fortune building them a computer and they don't even want to pay enough to re-imburse your costs? Let alone pay for your time and expertise.

Sound reasonable?

Because that is what you're wanting. You're wanting responsible breeders to not just foot the cost of being responsible, but to take a loss by selling a pup to someone who feels entitled to reap the benefit of their hard work without even covering the base costs of producing that pup. Its not like the breeders are turning a profit at the prices they charge, they spend thousands just health testing and producing a litter... Thats not including the thousands toward titling and training the dogs. And sometimes they spend all of that and end up with a false pregnancy, a breeding that doesn't take or a small litter, maybe even a singleton pup. Or maybe they lose the litter...

They need to at least cut even to do what they do, and that is where the average pricing lies. It may seem unreasonable to you, but you're not looking at it from a reasonable angle.

Last edited by Adobe4two; 01-15-2013 at 05:06 AM..
Adobe4two is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jun 2009
The Following 20 Users Say Thank You to Adobe4two For This Useful Post:
AuraDobe (01-15-2013), BenVera (01-15-2013), Brandy&Melanie (01-15-2013), brw1982 (01-15-2013), eighmie (01-15-2013), EmilyB (01-15-2013), Fitzmar Dobermans (01-15-2013), GRAYGHOST (01-15-2013), GrdnDelite (02-22-2013), HarvestMoon (01-15-2013), iSunGod (01-15-2013), Nynaeve (01-15-2013), RedFawnRising (01-15-2013), Rosemary (01-15-2013), RottenVonSpotten (01-15-2013), Shell81 (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-15-2013), Thor_Red (01-15-2013), wantsaDobe (01-15-2013), workingk9s (01-15-2013)
Old 01-15-2013, 06:44 AM   #20 (permalink)
Alpha
 
PortersMama's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,192
Location: Northeast US
Dogs Name: Grizzly; Porter (5/06/02-11/30/12)
Dogs Age: DOB: 10/10/12
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit PortersMama's Gallery
Thanks: 5,123
Thanked 3,848 Times in 951 Posts
PortersMama has a reputation beyond reputePortersMama has a reputation beyond reputePortersMama has a reputation beyond reputePortersMama has a reputation beyond reputePortersMama has a reputation beyond reputePortersMama has a reputation beyond reputePortersMama has a reputation beyond reputePortersMama has a reputation beyond reputePortersMama has a reputation beyond reputePortersMama has a reputation beyond reputePortersMama has a reputation beyond repute
Dude...sometimes I wonder if people even bother to look around here before posting. I'm not trying to be offensive or rude, but sometimes my mind is effing blown.
PortersMama is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Dec 2010
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to PortersMama For This Useful Post:
EmilyB (01-15-2013), GrdnDelite (02-22-2013), RedFawnRising (01-15-2013), Shell81 (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-15-2013)
Old 01-15-2013, 08:29 AM   #21 (permalink)
Go Dog Go
 
Posts: 606
Location: Toronto & Belleville
Dogs Name: Chanel
Titles: Dogface, CGN (Sept 7, 2012)
Dogs Age: 5 years (dob December 1, 2007 per vet records)
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit smudgeid's Gallery
Thanks: 275
Thanked 881 Times in 375 Posts
smudgeid has a reputation beyond reputesmudgeid has a reputation beyond reputesmudgeid has a reputation beyond reputesmudgeid has a reputation beyond reputesmudgeid has a reputation beyond reputesmudgeid has a reputation beyond reputesmudgeid has a reputation beyond reputesmudgeid has a reputation beyond reputesmudgeid has a reputation beyond reputesmudgeid has a reputation beyond reputesmudgeid has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by iSunGod View Post
Currently I am looking for a puppy at a reasonable price(~$1000) without having to sacrifice quality.

......I understand that these breeders have spared no expense along with an invaluable amount of time to do the right thing by the breed but how can the average Joe afford to get one of these dogs as purely a pet?
Because of specific health issues with the breed, you can't get a oet puppy for $1000 without sacrificing quality. If you want a well bred dog, you have to pay for it.

I was also surprised at the cost but the more I read, and the more I meet other doberman owners, the more I realize that you do get what you pay for. (I grew up with free dogs & free cats - it still seems absurd to pay for one, but I'm starting to undertand.)

I love my dog (found her on kijiji) but I can see that although she's as sweet as can be, her back isn't straight & her tail hangs funny & her coat isn't very thick. She's 5 now & I have no idea how long she'll live.

I would pay more for a better computer, but I might not go $5000 - I'd also pay quite a bit more for a better car - one that would last over 10 years instead of 5-7 & would protect me in a major accident.

If you can find a breeder with healthy dogs that live a long life, you'll be able to have a friend that will keep up with you for years, rather than a dog that might drop dead, have hip or coat problems, or behavior issues.

What about looking for an older dog from a good breeder? Sometimes they don't cost as much as the puppies & you'll know what sort of temperment you're getting before you start.
Kate
smudgeid is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: May 2012
The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to smudgeid For This Useful Post:
Adara (01-15-2013), Brandy&Melanie (01-15-2013), GingerGunlock (01-15-2013), GrdnDelite (02-22-2013), iSunGod (01-15-2013), Rosemary (01-15-2013), RottenVonSpotten (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-15-2013), Thor_Red (01-15-2013)
Old 01-15-2013, 09:00 AM   #22 (permalink)
sweep the leg
 
Hilary's Avatar
 
Posts: 924
Location: San Antonio, TX
Dogs Name: Sunking's An Affair to Remember "Rémy"
Dogs Age: Born April 17, 2012 (Tax Day, perfect for a Doberman!)
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Hilary's Gallery
Thanks: 2,116
Thanked 1,915 Times in 654 Posts
Hilary has a reputation beyond reputeHilary has a reputation beyond reputeHilary has a reputation beyond reputeHilary has a reputation beyond reputeHilary has a reputation beyond reputeHilary has a reputation beyond reputeHilary has a reputation beyond reputeHilary has a reputation beyond reputeHilary has a reputation beyond reputeHilary has a reputation beyond reputeHilary has a reputation beyond repute
Bottom line: You are going to pay one way or the other.

Option 1:
Pay the money up front, support ethical breeding in the process and increase your odds of your doberman living a long healthy life. Not to mention unending breeder support for the lifetime of your pup for every issue from posting those dang ears to personality quirks to you name it.

Option 2:
Save a bundle on the front end, support a BYB and unethical breeding practices, spend into oblivion on correcting health & behavioral issues and possibly say goodbye to your dear friend far earlier than desirable. Need a question answered about issues your having with your pup? Good luck getting a hold of your so-called breeder. Lost your job/house/health/mind? Good luck getting your BYB to take the pup back and care for them.

Option 3:
Rescue. Save even MORE money on the front end, get the exact type of dog you would get in Option 2, support further rescue efforts with your money instead of future crappy breedings and also get lifetime support for your dog should something happen to it or you.

So, ya got options kiddo. Use that smart computer building brain of yours to choose the best one.
Hilary is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: May 2012
The Following 15 Users Say Thank You to Hilary For This Useful Post:
BenVera (01-15-2013), Brandy&Melanie (01-15-2013), falnfenix (01-15-2013), GingerGunlock (01-15-2013), GrdnDelite (02-22-2013), iSunGod (01-15-2013), Nynaeve (01-15-2013), Ojai Sho-Shawnee (01-15-2013), RedFawnRising (01-15-2013), Rosemary (01-15-2013), RottenVonSpotten (01-15-2013), Shell81 (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-15-2013), SpecialK (01-15-2013), Thor_Red (01-15-2013)
Old 01-15-2013, 10:01 AM   #23 (permalink)
Lil Pup
 
Posts: 10
Dogs Name: Tell us your dogs name

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit iSunGod's Gallery
Thanks: 6
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iSunGod is infamous around these partsiSunGod is infamous around these partsiSunGod is infamous around these partsiSunGod is infamous around these parts
Once again.. My issue is not about saving money. Please stop with the brain-washed, cookie-cutter, smarmy responses because it is getting old and if I wanted to see copypasta from other threads/sites I would have just skipped posting here. It really is disgusting how rude and snide a lot of you got in regards to my question(s). If you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation please stay out of it.

Thank you to those that provided intelligent responses and can think for yourselves.

To those with your smarmy responses... What is it like to drive in your Escalades? You've spared no expense to get the perfect pet so you must have spared no expense in transporting and caring for that pet. I can only imagine the physicians you're visiting - they surely must be the best in their fields because with the money you spend to get that perfect pet you must be in pristine health at all times. I can only imagine your spouses don't suffer from any kind of heart disease or genetic ailments because you wouldn't want to deal with potential health issues in the future with them or your children. God forbid you find out that person may get cancer or do you do health checks and ask for medical records before you make an actual commitment to a relationship. I mean if this is the kind of care you take in selecting a pet I can only begin to fathom what precautions you take in selecting a mate. I mean we're talking about a dog here, trying to better the breed, so I can only imagine the standards and efforts you're going through to create a better human.

I understand that a litter of puppies is expensive with all the health testing, titling, etc is but those fees should only be incurred once with the sire & dam thus making, hopefully, the second or third litter slightly less expensive. I am willing to, and have been, wait for the right litter to come around so I can get a quality pup that will be around for along time. I have the money to spend for a quality pup I was merely posing the question hoping to get some insight that I may not have thought of on my own. Once again - THANK YOU to those that contributed something helpful. Grow up to the rest. Try mirroring your personality to the quality of your dog.
iSunGod is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Jan 2013
Old 01-15-2013, 10:09 AM   #24 (permalink)
Alpha schmalpha
 
alan j.'s Avatar
 
Posts: 1,100
Location: Florida

Gallery Pics: 1
Visit alan j.'s Gallery
Thanks: 1,889
Thanked 1,723 Times in 736 Posts
Images: 1
alan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond reputealan j. has a reputation beyond repute
alan j. is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2012
Old 01-15-2013, 10:10 AM   #25 (permalink)
Banned
 
Posts: 7,462
Location: TX
Dogs Name: Zelda(siberian husky), Optimus Prime(doberman)
Titles: CGC, Certified Therapy Dog
Dogs Age: 7, 4
Gallery Pics: 12
Visit ZeldaRules's Gallery
Thanks: 9,240
Thanked 21,074 Times in 5,362 Posts
Images: 12
ZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond reputeZeldaRules has a reputation beyond repute
Click here to find out how ZeldaRules became a supporter
Actually, my boyfriend has a really bad genetic kidney disease, he has had one transplant and his brother has had two, they are 30. We are making the responsible and ethical decision to not have children, only dogs

Your post has been reported because you are getting personal and very rude/degrading. You have been given excellent insight and advice and still don't get it, like I said, this forum might not be the right one for you.
ZeldaRules is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Join Date: Aug 2009
The Following 18 Users Say Thank You to ZeldaRules For This Useful Post:
Adara (01-15-2013), alan j. (01-15-2013), Brandy&Melanie (01-15-2013), GingerGunlock (01-15-2013), Jazi (01-15-2013), MelissaRz (01-15-2013), My4BadDogs (01-15-2013), Nynaeve (01-15-2013), pdubois64 (01-15-2013), PortersMama (01-15-2013), prairiefire (01-15-2013), Rosemary (01-15-2013), RottenVonSpotten (01-15-2013), Sam1491 (01-15-2013), Shell81 (01-15-2013), Sinister (01-15-2013), Thor_Red (01-15-2013), triciakoontz (01-15-2013)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:04 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0 Beta 2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2 ©2009, Crawlability, Inc.
@2005 - 2008 DobermanTalk.com
PetGuide.com
Basset.net DobermanTalk.com GoldenRetrieverForum.com OurBeagleWorld.com
BoxerForums.com DogForums.com GoPitbull.com PoodleForum.com
BulldogBreeds.com FishForums.com HavaneseForum.com SpoiledMaltese.com
CatForum.com GermanShepherds.com Labradoodle-dogs.net YorkieForum.com
Chihuahua-People.com RetrieverBreeds.com