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Old 01-01-2013, 07:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Problems with Doberman boy

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My Doberman boy is growing up, he is 6 months now. As more he is growing, as more uncontrollable he is becoming. My two other girls never had this behavior problem:it was easy and fun to train them and they both are perfect dogs. Simons also knows commands really well, like sit, stay etc.However, no matter what I do, he does everything he wants: he stills my food from tables and even my hands, chew on everything and destroy the house. He does not listen when I say no or slap him, he just continues what he does!!! He gets his activities- I take him to agility training and for a run. He gets a lot of toys and bones to play and chew. What else should I try? My dog acts like marly he eats everything!!!
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Is he crate trained?


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Hey there. My boy is will be 7 months on Saturday (1/5/13).

Do you/have you fed him human food? The best thing I can say is keep your food up high, not on end tables. If he is not in direct sight, he should be crated. Maybe keep a long lead on him.

Agility? I hope he isn't jumping around. His growth plates are still doing what they need to do- hopefully this is just beginners/puppy based lessons.

Maybe give him some puzzle toys to use his mind up on.

Do you attend group classes?

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He does not listen when I say no or slap him
first of all, stop hitting your dog. this does not help you.
secondly, yes, crate train the dog. if you're not there, he needs to be confined so he can't hurt himself and your house.
third, pursue professional training help. there's something you're not doing correctly.

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Thank you for your advice. However, I am strongly against crates.


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Crates are not a bad thing, but the slapping is.


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I was just about to say something similar. How can you be against giving a dog time out/safe place to be but be ok with hitting him?


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so...you're against crates, which are incredibly useful tools and do not need to be used for the entirety of the dog's life, but you're pro-hitting, which can and will cause you massive problems in the long run?

i don't understand.
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Thank you for your advice. However, I am strongly against crates.
Hmmmm... well then your best bet is to keep him tied to you at all times, and keep training with positive reinforcement. When he is about 3 he will settle down and life will return to normal. Assuming of course that he doesn't ingest something he has chewed and need obstruction surgery, or die from an obstruction.

IMO, saying that you are strongly against crates -- tells me you are also against keeping your puppy safe.

I have a 10 month old girl and I do not, nor have I had a single problem you mention here. However, when I cannot pay attention to what she is doing, she is crated -- for her safety, and because I know that regardless of how good she is.... she is a puppy, and puppies get bored and get into trouble. If never given the opportunity to get into trouble, they will be trouble free puppies that grow to be trouble free dogs.

You asked for suggestions and as you can see most of us suggest crating when you cannot 100% supervise. If this won't work for you the only other thing I can suggest is hiring a trainer to come to your home and work with you and your puppy and hope for the best.

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Train him. Perhaps go to classes. And get a crate. Crate training is soooo important and no, it isn't just putting him in a cage. Is is also teaching him to control himself.
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First of all, putting the dog in a crate is not solving the problem, it is just putting the problem away and hanging the lock. Hitting the dog? Seriously? I asked for an ideas, not for a lecture about my life views. If you do not agree with me, does not mean your opinion is only right. I hope there are some people on this forum, who wants to help without showing their incredible knowledges in a dog safety


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Dog is not a toy to put it away when it gets annoying, but its a very easy solution under a humanitarian cover


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First of all, putting the dog in a crate is not solving the problem, it is just putting the problem away and hanging the lock. Hitting the dog? Seriously? I asked for an ideas, not for a lecture about my life views. If you do not agree with me, does not mean your opinion is only right. I hope there are some people on this forum, who wants to help without showing their incredible knowledges in a dog safety


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hitting the dog may very well be causing part of your problem! talk to a professional trainer in your area about getting some assistance - they can tell you precisely where you're going wrong, why what you're doing is wrong, and how to fix it.

and no, crate training isn't putting the problem away for later.

please, for the sake of all your (very young) dogs, seek professional help.
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Ok, you asked a question, and you got answers. Crate training is not cruel, if done properly most dogs love their crate, and use them without being told to go to them. I have crate trained all of my dogs over the years, and they were all extremely well trained, much loved members of our family. The love their crates, and did not destroy our home.

I really do not understand how you can be against keeping your dog safe, and PROPERLY training it (crate training is part of that). Yet you have no problem with hitting it (you will cause some major issues by doing so by the way).

If you are not open minded to the answers you've been given then what was the point in even coming here to ask?

In all my years as a vet tech the majority of the dogs we had to do exploratory surgery (remove foreign bodies) surgery on belonged to people who thought crating was "cruel" or were against it. Yet somehow it's ok to let them get into all sorts of potentially harmful stuff, hit them, not supervise them etc...um ok sure. If you want to do it your way, so be it; but don't get mad at people who are giving you good, solid advice when you are the one who asked for it to begin with.

Crate training has ZERO to do with "putting them away when they get annoying". It creates a safe spot for them when you can't be supervising them. It is YOUR job to show your dog what you expect, and to teach them what is and isn't ok. The crate is their safe place when you can't actively do that (bedtime, work etc).

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It sounds like your pup doesn't respect you, and hitting him isn't a good way to earn that. It's not my intention for this to come out harshly, but I think both you and your dog need some good training. You have a 6-month old Doberboy - you really can't compare him to a Dobergirl. If you don't act quickly, you're going to have a problem on your hands that will just get bigger.

Also, I just have to second everyone's surprise that you don't crate train. Why are you against it? I wonder if you have your own set of ideas as to what should work for your Doberboy simply because they worked for dogs before him. It shouldn't be a one-size-fits-all approach. You have several people saying the same thing but you don't like what you're hearing. What is it exactly that you're looking for? Again, I'm not trying to be harsh, just genuinely curious.

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I asked for new ideas and got only one... Old. Prison also keep safe, lets all sit in there instead of learning how to live free. I think that dog should be trained so it can avoid dangerous situations and bad behavior. Again, putting the dog in the crate is not a training advice it is an advice how to hide it. And yes, I am not open minded enough to lock my dog away when it gets annoying, oh, sorry- unsafe


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I asked for new ideas and got only one... Old. Prison also keep safe, lets all sit in there instead of learning how to live free. I think that dog should be trained so it can avoid dangerous situations and bad behavior. Again, putting the dog in the crate is not a training advice it is an advice how to hide it. And yes, I am not open minded enough to lock my dog away when it gets annoying, oh, sorry- unsafe


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You are very wrong as to what crate training is, and that is unfortunate. It is not about prison, or locking them away. It is a training tool, and again, most dogs love their crates when they are properly used. If you can't understand that, we can't help you. You have to teach him to live free, and from what you've said you aren't able to do that with this dog. The crate will help you teach him what is and isn't ok. You do not use a crate as punishment, or leave them in there for long periods of time. I would tell you to take the time to learn what crate training actually is (because you are waaaay off base as to what it is), but I know I am just wasting my time.

You think it's prison, but again are ok with hitting him? I'm done here, some people just can't be helped.

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but you're happy with hitting your dog.

THIS MAKES NO SENSE. NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. ugh. in your last thread you behaved the same way: ask a question and fight with everyone who didn't tell you exactly what you wanted to hear. talk to a professional, tell them EVERYTHING you do with all three of your puppies, and listen to what they tell you.
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I just want to hear, what are different ways to train the pup to make him understand what I want better. Obviously, he has a very different level of energy and completely different type of character. I had a lot of dogs, but only girls, so I really just want to hear from people who had boys and know something that can help, besides crates


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So crates = prisons then what's the comparison to you hitting your dog? Police brutality?


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I just want to hear, what are different ways to train the pup to make him understand what I want better. Obviously, he has a very different level of energy and completely different type of character. I had a lot of dogs, but only girls, so I really just want to hear from people who had boys and know something that can help, besides crates
i'm going to repeat myself again, since you're deliberately ignoring me: talk to a professional, tell them EVERYTHING you do with all three of your puppies, and listen to what they tell you.
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NEVER. HIT. YOUR. DOG. violence is NOT a proper correction. and yes, a slap is still violence.
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