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Old 12-28-2012, 06:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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leaking urine, thoughts, advice, help :(

I have a 20 week old male puppy who I picked up at 8 weeks.

He is housebroken. He does not squat to pee, or poop in our house.He can stay in the crate for multiple, countless hours, and never have a single accident.

He has, since day one, leaked urine. At first, it was small amounts, and I thought he was having an accident in the house.

It has gotten progressively worse. If I carefully ration water, it gets better, but will not stop completely. Then he's thirsty and obsesses over the water.

He leaks urine as he walks around our house. Sometimes it is actual small dots in a line running from room to room. He can be completely relaxed, and leaking. He can have just come inside from the dog run to pee and he may leak equally as much. SOmetimes, it is not just a leak, but almost a light spray as he walks.

He leaks all over if he barks at the front door, if he plays with our other dog, if he is quietly sitting at my feet, he may get up, walk in a circle a circle while peeing and sit right back down. The area he pees outside also has drips and sprays, among the puddles from him actually squatting to pee.

The vet has tested for UTI and nothing.

I am almost 100 percent certain every incident is while he is active, never just sitting on his bed and leaking out urine.

This is all day long, no rhyme or reason, from 5 to 20 times through the course of a day, and I am mopping and disinfecting my home(and washing the sheets I wrap around the dog bed) sometimes all day long. It is stressful and I'm afraid there may be no end to this.

I have looked around and not seen any similar thread to this.I gratefully welcome any comments.
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How much water do you allow him to have? If he gets dehydrated, urinating in the house is going to be the least of your problems. I've never rationed water. What did the vet say?
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I allow him him to have free access to water. I tried on two separate days to give him smaller amounts to see what the difference would be with the leaking, and it didn't make a huge difference.

Vet said no UTI and that he would stop eventually. An acquaintance I trust who has dobes said he would outgrow it.Breeder said she has never had a puppy that has done this. I am reaching out to see if someone has had similar circumstances and how it turned out for them.

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How much water do you allow him to have? If he gets dehydrated, urinating in the house is going to be the least of your problems. I've never rationed water. What did the vet say?

I don't ration water. I never had a dog that drank much, for that matter either. My bowls are always full. I had to take it up to see if his leakage might be due to excessive water intake. It is not.

Can you think of anything else to add?
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What tests did the vet do?
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What tests did the vet do?
None. just u/a. Said no UTI. Do you have a test to suggest the vet do?

Like I said, he said he will grow out of it. That was that.

The info he had to go on from the owner, being me, was the dog has no problem holding urine for several hours, up to 9 maximum, in a crate.
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None. just u/a. Said no UTI. Do you have a test to suggest the vet do?

Like I said, he said he will grow out of it. That was that.

The info he had to go on from the owner, being me, was the dog has no problem holding urine for several hours, up to 9 maximum, in a crate.
No suggestion on other tests at this point. Perhaps the muscle that controls the urine flow has not developed completely yet and it's more a matter of maturing. I'm no vet. Is your guy aware that he is urinating? Or is it he is just excited and preoccupied with other things going on? Sometimes a puppy will not pay attention to the urge and keep playing around and then he can't hold it and has an accident.
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Just noticed the ad at the top of the page is now about incontinence and supplies. LOL
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No suggestion on other tests at this point. Perhaps the muscle that controls the urine flow has not developed completely yet and it's more a matter of maturing. I'm no vet. Is your guy aware that he is urinating? Or is it he is just excited and preoccupied with other things going on? Sometimes a puppy will not pay attention to the urge and keep playing around and then he can't hold it and has an accident.
I thought it was more preoccupied at first and not noticing the urge. I now know it can be right after he has peed outside and shouldn't have the urge.

It is not just when excited or preoccupied. It is when calm, too.

Thanks for trying to get to the bottom of it with me. I was really hoping to get some responses such as "This is common" or "Oh, that happened with my guy and it was nothing." It's just making me more sad to see I'm alone with this.
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Wish I could have been more helpful.
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I would get a second opinion from a different vet since he is a puppy I would not with hold his water for any reason not unless a vet tells you too. It could be a UTI, could be he is not developed right inside, did the vet do any exam ? I would be concerned.Good Luck
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I would get a second opinion from a different vet since he is a puppy I would not with hold his water for any reason not unless a vet tells you too. It could be a UTI, could be he is not developed right inside, did the vet do any exam ? I would be concerned.Good Luck
I am concerned. No UTI, said vet. I'm fearing he could not be developed right inside, but the part of him NOT leaking while in a resing state doesn't fit that scenario. To me, anyway.

I'm not even sure the vet could do a test to see if he was developed correctly inside? An U/S or MRI? And what would that even cost? And would that be able to be corrected anyhow?

I'm so sad at the lack of replies I got. It is making me worry even more that out of approximately 100-150 views of this post, not a single person can say they know of this or experienced this scenerio and it was "such and such" or "turned out fine".
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I understand your concern and frustration. Hormones can play a big role in a puppy male, is he neutered? My boy would pee/leak at the slightest bit of excitement/ change/fright, but never while at rest. I too was told not to worry about it that it will get better and as he got older it seemed at first to get worse but then realized that his bladder was bigger so the amount leaked therefor was more. As we started controlling the environment and not contributing to his excitement it got better. We make zero contact with him when we come home, no eye contact, no verbal contact, and no touch contact. We let him out of the kennel or if he is not kenneled then whoever comes home just immediately walks to the back door (and he follows) and let him out. Sometimes that person has to go out with him to make sure he goes. But the big difference is when he was neutered which was two months ago and I would say (knock on wood) he hasn't leaked in about a month. I don't know if that has anything to do with neutering, but I do know that the vet tech of 30+ years (who has more experience than most vets) said not to worry that he would grow out of it and he did.

I found this interesting article http://www.medi-vet.com/UrinaryIncontinence.html

One more thing, he isn't diabetic is he? Good luck!!


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This is also a very interesting article on Dobermans - hypothyroidism - urinary incontinence. Make sure you read the comments also.

http://blog.old-dog-treats-and-rawhi...ntinence-help/


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For whatever reason, when I was talking to my vet yesterday, he mentioned something about chiropractic often helping male dogs with incontinence. You might keep that in your back pocket if you can't get to the bottom of it with further testing.
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I have not read the comments yet, but I will make sure I ask if this is a possibility at the vet. My dog also is hungry 24/7 and they mentioned their dog was also. I will also read the comments.
Thanks so much.
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I understand your concern and frustration. Hormones can play a big role in a puppy male, is he neutered? My boy would pee/leak at the slightest bit of excitement/ change/fright, but never while at rest. I too was told not to worry about it that it will get better and as he got older it seemed at first to get worse but then realized that his bladder was bigger so the amount leaked therefor was more. As we started controlling the environment and not contributing to his excitement it got better. We make zero contact with him when we come home, no eye contact, no verbal contact, and no touch contact. We let him out of the kennel or if he is not kenneled then whoever comes home just immediately walks to the back door (and he follows) and let him out. Sometimes that person has to go out with him to make sure he goes. But the big difference is when he was neutered which was two months ago and I would say (knock on wood) he hasn't leaked in about a month. I don't know if that has anything to do with neutering, but I do know that the vet tech of 30+ years (who has more experience than most vets) said not to worry that he would grow out of it and he did.

I found this interesting article Urinary Incontinence in Dogs: Causes, Treatments

One more thing, he isn't diabetic is he? Good luck!!


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Don't know about diabetic, I will ask vet about the poss. of that, but he is NOT neutered. How old is your dog?
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Update for any future members who happen to search the urine leaking subject and will see this thread.(As I searched this topic during this process.)

Vet prescribed proin before starting tests. Will give it a week, if no improvement, he said stop it. If no improvement, we will move on to a dye test for ectopic ureter. At my breeder's request, I will also do a sterile U/A at that time.
He has previously tested neg for UTI but sample was voided, not sterile.
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Been on the proin 5 days, no changes.
Called the vet.
I just can't do this wait and see anymore.
I needed to do some testing.
We had a senior comprehansive test done. CBC, chemistry profile..liver, kidneys, diabetes check, thyroid, etc. A urinalysis AND a urine culture and sensitivty test.
Results will come in from tomorrow until next Monday or Tuesday.
If no answers to any of that, we move on to a test he stays all day for, a dye test with xrays for ectopic ureter.
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i know this is incredibly frustrating but thank you for updating with detailed information.
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Most tests came back yesterday. Everything looked normal. Waiting for the Urine culture, because it needs to grow out.
Vet said if this test shows bacteria, he will try a 3 week course of AB.
If repeat culture shows no improvement, he will want the next test for ectopic ureter.
I think though, even if there is no bacteria, we should move on to the next test.
Because, if not, then what?
We will have done this testing and be back at square one.

While all this is going on, it does not help that he is OCD on his water. It's always there but he keeps returning and drinking, drinking..I have to say, "enough!" sometimes to get him away.
I will add he is obsessive about his food, as well. He keeps going back to the food bowl, in case more may appear. He has knocked the cover off the storage tin and helped himself! I am giving him more than he needs, daily, but you wouldn't know it! (He is 20 to 22 weeks, I think and weighs 53.5 pounds)
I guess that is all, for now. I was hoping for some kind of answer when the vet called.
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:11 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I have been chasing down old threads from various message boards on this topic, and emailing people in hopes their similar circumstance had a diagnosis and positive outcome. A girl who posted here 6 years ago, (yes, 6!) actually still had same email and returned my inquiry. She had only posted here a handful of times and couldn't remember the incident, really. Figures! LOL
It seems anyone who had a similar problem, posts about it, some general speculation replies, a few more exchanges and the OP says they have been to the vet, and then it drops off. There is never an end post in where I get to see the outcome.
Extremely frustrating! :/
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i wonder...was he the runt of the litter?
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