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Old 12-26-2012, 03:49 PM   #76 (permalink)
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I also thought that I would mention some things that are of importance that may have been overlooked and underspoken.

2 months is a quite an unlikely deadline for a reputably bred puppy. Most litters from reputable breeders fill up before the breeding actually takes place, and some have year-long waiting lists.

Also, reputable breeders will not sell to an individual who is planning to give this puppy as a present, unless the individual on the receiving end is totally aware of the present, and the buyer is just footing the bill. Even still, most reputable breeders are wary of the aforesaid scenario, as this leaves a loophole in contracts involving the puppy and returning rights if something were to go awry with the puppy/home situation.

I am so pleased your dog is a great representative of this spectacular breed. Would you be inclined to name the breeder of your dog?

I also am a great fan of Rhapsody and Elena is a wonderful custodian of the breed.
She said this is her breeder:

Originally Posted by SGranger Ph.D
He comes from a very reputable breeder, Brown Chief Kennels

Puppies > Brown Chief > Teraline Midgard x Arwen > Mating
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:51 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Ahhh I see.

So glad that the dogs are "Cardio-free." Gee, I didn't know that was possible! /snark.
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I also am a great fan of Rhapsody and Elena is a wonderful custodian of the breed.
It's Irina, just to keep the information correct, and I agree that she is a wonderful custodian of the breed who creates some spectacular dogs - mine being one of them.
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It's Irina, just to keep the information correct, and I agree that she is a wonderful custodian of the breed who creates some spectacular dogs - mine being one of them.
Dang it your right!! I'm so sorry. I went through e-mails and her website, but no where on here site does she put her name!!

IRINA!!!! I won't forget again!

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Ahhh I see.

So glad that the dogs are "Cardio-free." Gee, I didn't know that was possible! /snark.
Interesting if one is going to market that - only one dog in the mating is cardio free it looks like via ECHO, EKG and holter. So why wouldn't one list the testing on the dam too?
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Dang it your right!! I'm so sorry. I went through e-mails and her website, but no where on here site does she put her name!!

IRINA!!!! I won't forget again!

Fixed it!
It's not a name you hear often and sounds quite similar to Elena - I'd be lying if I said I hadn't messed it up once or twice
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RFR quote: "still not even close to sure you have one or two or seventeen PhDs, but I am quite sure you have an FOS."


RFR, I looked all over and can't decide which meaning of FOS you were using. Did you mean:
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There's always Full of Sh*t, of course, but that seems a bit crass and clumsy for you. And there are quite a few more where these came from. So which?
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I'm not a breeder so I'm not sure how often a stud should be well "studded" out. But this Sire "Teraline Midgard" seems to have sired 48 litters in the 28 months since his stud career began. Doesn't that seem a bit excessive? I just hope none of the mothers sue him for child support. Teraline kennel~
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Melbrod, I think the only one that fits in the context she said it in... Fish Odor Syndrome

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Melbrod, I think the only one that fits in the context she said it in... Fish Odor Syndrome

I'm a bit confused by the "AN FOS". Shouldn't it be "A FOS"?

(See, there are "hard" consonants and "soft" consonants, pronounced in different ways, and then there is the pronunciation of the letter "Eff"--so either A or AN might work. One thing I know for sure--NEVER google "Hard F" to find out!
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One thing I know for sure--NEVER google "Hard F" to find out!
Oh but what ever do you mean? *innocent voice*

You should do it and report your findings here
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I'm a bit confused by the "AN FOS". Shouldn't it be "A FOS"?

(See, there are "hard" consonants and "soft" consonants, pronounced in different ways, and then there is the pronunciation of the letter "Eff"--so either A or AN might work. One thing I know for sure--NEVER google "Hard F" to find out!
Oh hells no.

I'm still traumatized by one of my first ever internet searches, many years ago.

Trying to reach out to other rabbit rescue folks, googled "rabbit chat."

Erm, do not recommend.

There's a meaning for "rabbit," and associated, uh, lifestyle, that I could have gone my whole life blissfully not knowing.
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Funny that was my exact thought when I read through that list.
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^^^ This is why we were so taken back by JD.
Advertising pups that are AKC registered and people go nuts! Just because the AKC will register them does not mean their pedigree is rock solid!

I would not even look further into the kennels you listed.

and Garrett's Dobermans? Just looking at the cover photo of their site SCREAMS messed up. They are breeding that Ella dog, and she looks old and overdone. Plus the dogs, as stated, are WAY overpriced for a BYB <-- which they are. Any website can have fancy captions and stories... its all BS in their case as far as I am concerned.

I even surfed the web and came upon a page for a Black/Rust male Doberman named Elvis... Google him- Elvis the Doberman...

He is the product of MAINLY KTal lines... and they are studding him to every BYB with absolutely no "dober-cation". He can look as fancy as he wants to, he is a ticking time bomb of health problems and more waiting to happen AND just a money maker for the owners! How can you stud your dog like that just because someone will pay???

I would take all of the reputable breeders that are out of your price range and compare their dogs and pedigrees, testing, etc to those you suggested and see the differences.
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Will do- thank you. Someone mentioned the problem with them in a pm- to answer the earlier question he is involved and I'm pretty much finding a good place to get one so hopefully this puppy doesn't have some of the issues Ahren does- and paying for it... He picked the colors he wanted and the gender obviously because I have a boy. Ill look into some of the kennels mentioned by others.


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In the next two months I would like to have the puppy's breeder picked out, and the puppy paid for. I would like the puppy to arrive here in late spring or early summer-

I would like to pay in the $1000 range, however I can pay up to $5000 for one that is vWd negative, has joint testing and thyroid testing - other testing is good but I won't consider one without those 3

I would really prefer the sweet floppy ears- if I cannot find someone who will add in a contract they can keep their ears I guess he will deal with it

As far as the heeler mix- if you understood how much I dislike this dog you would understand why she will be fixed as soon as we can do it. Good cow dog- lousy pet. Some dogs are obviously poorly bred an its obvious in their temperament- the little **** will bite you for no freaking reason, but she keeps the coyotes at bay- not to mention if I was going to breed one I would have bred Ahren- I don't like puppies, the idea of having more than one running around is a nightmare. Hence the fact the little girl I'm looking for will be fixed as soon as the vet will do it. Most of the "homes" her future pups could go to have her brothers and sisters, who where given away, not sold. I have no desire to supply the shelter more dogs to euthanize or fighters more bait dogs. If breeding is your thing that's cool- I personally find it disturbing, messy, expensive, and pointless not to mention nerve racking...

Ill look into your list of breeders- thank you for the recommendations. Do any of you have puppies from the kennel you recommended?



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I would like to pay in the $1000 range, however I can pay up to $5000 for one that is vWd negative, has joint testing and thyroid testing - other testing is good but I won't consider one without those 3f I cannot find someone who will add in a contract they can keep their ears I guess he will deal with it
That is more like it. However, at the pup being so young, it is the parent's health testing that is important initially. vWD can be tested for in the pup, but thyroid and joint is something (unless there is something seriously wrong that you can see) you want to look for a breeder who tests all of the sires and dams or breeds to a tested sire/dam. I would also be worried about DCM or any heart related problems. Very important, or your dog will just drop dead

Just something else to think about... oh and eyes! You want your pup to be able to see, right?

Maybe it is just me, but I would go for a breeder that fully tests the stock and carefully chooses the breeding pair.

Happy to see you have returned to the thread. Did you compare the recommendations to those you brought up in the earlier post... even to Ahren's breeder... it is crazy the differences in the approach!

I too am interested to see what DTers have purchased from these recommended breeders!
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Will do- thank you. Someone mentioned the problem with them in a pm- to answer the earlier question he is involved and I'm pretty much finding a good place to get one so hopefully this puppy doesn't have some of the issues Ahren does- and paying for it... He picked the colors he wanted and the gender obviously because I have a boy. Ill look into some of the kennels mentioned by others.
As far as I know a good breeder will only breed (again, through the careful breeding process) Blacks (primarily) but you will get Reds (secondary, depending on breeding). I am not sure, but to my knowledge, they try to stay away from the dilutions blue and fawn. They may be AKC accepted colors but they can have some issues depending.

Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong.
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Isnt it possible to be a VwD carrier but not actually have the disease? Also I dont think hip displasia is as big of a problem in dobes as it is in other breeds, such as labs, GSD and some others.
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Dreizehn is a Rhapsody dog and ZeldaRules' Prime is from Touchstone, I think. Also Hillary has a dog from Sunking or Sunburg.

There are others here with dogs from the other reputable Texas breeders but I"m having a hard time recalling them.
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As far as I know a good breeder will only breed (again, through the careful breeding process) Blacks (primarily) but you will get Reds (secondary, depending on breeding). I am not sure, but to my knowledge, they try to stay away from the dilutions blue and fawn. They may be AKC accepted colors but they can have some issues depending.

Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong.
No, there is nothing wrong with breeding reds. It is the dilution they try to avoid - staying away from the blues and fawns. Reds get bred in the ratio in which they occur pretty much if breeders stick with non-dilutes 1 in 4, or 25% reds (on average) unless the breeder is gene testing for the color inheritance then they may look for dominant black sires for their bitches - black tends to sell better but red stays cooler in the sun which is why I wanted a red this time (with natural ears).
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Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong.
I'm sorry. I meant Primary genetic and secondary genetic.

I know breeders have no problem with reds (I, personally, am very biased toward them) My own boy is red... I think it has something to do with both parents having the same gene(?) for red. I know there is a specific word for it AND I believe it to begin with the letter "A".

At least I know I was correct about the dilutions!

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In the next two months I would like to have the puppy's breeder picked out, and the puppy paid for. I would like the puppy to arrive here in late spring or early summer-

I would like to pay in the $1000 range, however I can pay up to $5000 for one that is vWd negative, has joint testing and thyroid testing - other testing is good but I won't consider one without those 3
What do you mean by VWD negative? Do you mean you want a clear only or is carrier ok? Or is affected ok if it's not clinical? What about cardio? What about cancer in the lines? What about Wobbler's? My point being, I'd do a bit more research on health and then look at overall longevity. Also look at pedigree testing, not just sire and dam (in case you didn't know that).

I personally would be prepared also to wait for the right dog. Hopefully you won't have to but I wouldn't compromise based on a few months or even a year for the right dog.
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