Thanks for the information. Im not against puppy training classes. I just personally never met a dog i couldnt work with myself. Thats why i posted here. Dobermans arent like any of the breeds ive worked with before. As far as bite inhib. i worked on that early. I dont know it it will creep back up later but she DOES not mouth hands or anything. She will come up and lick my hand if she starts to want to chew i tell her no and she will resume licking and i havent had to tell her no in along time. Its just all kisses. I do appreciate all the responses.
In all probability, kindafugly, the dogs you've handled in the past have been fairly low-drive, non-working breeds.
I happen to know a whole bunch of folks who have fostered and volunteered with shelters and rescues who basically know SQUAT about how to really evaluate and effectively and humanely train dogs.
The quicker you acknowledge what you do not know, the quicker you can start learning, and filling in those gaps.
For instance, in your above description--you have not at all taught your puppy bite inhibition.
Instead, you have corrected her *albeit you say verbally, it's still a correction* to the point that she is too fearful to explore with her bitey little mouth.
Therefore, she won't practice her mouthiness, figure out how strong she is, how much her teeth could hurt a human, learn to control the amount of pressure in each bite/nibble...and she will likely grow up to be a Doberman that, if she does ever go past her threshold and choose to bite--it will be a very hard, unihibited bite. With serious consequences, likely.
Did you ever read the free Ian Dunbar article? It's been linked a million times on DT, but here it is again: Bite Inhibition Article
Read that, instead of getting defensive about what I've just said. Read that, and then come back and say whether you feel you've actually
taught her bite inhibition.
Ill agree with that. When they said they are for a experianced dog owner and not for the novice they truely mean it but i did no way imagine i would end up feeling like im in the novice section with the breed after all my experiance. But hey it happens.
Congratulations, if you feel like a novice. Sorry, but you are. And it's an awesome thing, to know where you stand.
Your puppy girl will benefit if you know your limitations, and go get into a class--a good class, not some yank-n-crank deal.
To a certain extent, people afford what they choose to afford. Go over your budget and figure out if there really is nothing you can sacrifice, for the sake of the training relationship with your puppy.
You missed my point entirely. You saw that the breeder wasn't putting any effort into those puppies, and yet you still bought one.
YOU get what YOU pay for. Get it now?
Reputable breeders put in loads of time, money, and energy to give their pups the best starts in life they can have. This is why the dogs cost more than they do from a BYB. By doing this, those puppies are already leaps and bounds ahead of the BYB's poor pups in both mental and physical development. If you buy from a BYB who doesn't invest in the proper care of his dogs, then you are getting exactly what you pay so little to get. Kennels like Kimbertal are just as bad as BYB's, but instead of selling cheap, they gauge their customers. It's not about the price of the dog, but the quality of the dog you get for the money.
This is all true, and I'll add to it that it is sooooo NOT "all in how you raise 'em."
There is a big influence of what they have packed in their "genetic suitcase," when they arrive on your doorstep. A big part of it is nature. You can manage, influence, and mitigate what nature gave you--but the dog still has some inherent traits.
One would hope ethical breeders give the pups a big head start in that department too, along with the proper nutrition for brain and body development, the proper amount of time with Mom and siblings, and the proper early socialization and environmental influences.
You have a hard road ahead of you, probably, kindafugly.
As someone who's spent a lot of years helping Dobermans and other breeds who have come originally from just such situations, prior to landing in rescue or the shelter...well, you really ought to check that ego (that you admitted to having) at the door and find what helps that pup's future, and makes everyone's life easier and more pleasant.
To sum up: If you do not decide to humble yourself now, the Doberman is the breed that will take care of that for you, at some future time.