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Old 12-21-2012, 09:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Thinking of buying a Doberman Puppy on Craigslist??

We just lost our boy Samson who was 10.6 years old
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We have a three-legged pit mix named Jake who has been with Sam for the last 4 years and is alone now when we are at work. We have been taking abot getting another dog. I love Dobermans and at this time I cannot afford 2000. I saw an add on craigslist for doberman puppys. Undocked 350, docked 600. I know that many are against buying dogs from petshops,etc. To be honest I bought Samson from a petshop in Chicago (I really did not know any better at the time) and he was a healthy dog until the last 6 months of his life and we had to put him down at 10.8 months.

Here is the add on craigslist. THe place looks like a dump which makes me want to at least resuce the dog and give him a good home. Any thoughts from experienced Doberman owners?

Just not sure what to do.

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You would not be rescuing. You would be supporting a horrid breeder. Selling their puppies will cause.them to make more. Please don't support them. Sorry about losing ur boy.
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Are you morally and ethically comfortable SUPPORTING a BYB/crappy breeder? Giving them money, buying their puppies keeps them in business.

I'm so sorry for your loss, but you would be supporting the same kind of breeder. A reputable breeder would have (hopefully) worked something out with you and given you another puppy (which can NEVER make up for your loss!) and been there to support you.

I would go the route of a good rescue group.
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I am very sorry for your loss of Samson.

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Here is the add on craigslist. THe place looks like a dump which makes me want to at least resuce the dog and give him a good home. Any thoughts from experienced Doberman owners?
From Ruffly Speaking - I consider him a rescue
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Here’s how it goes:
Person A shows up with a puppy.
Person B says “Oh, such a cutie! Where’d you get him?”

Person A says…
  • “Well, I got him from a pet store, but they said he was getting so old that they were going to send him back to the broker!”
  • “I got him from somebody selling puppies online, and when I got there the conditions were so bad I had to buy him!”
  • “I called a breeder about puppies in the Want Ads, and she said that she had a puppy she was going to put down because he was sick!”
  • “When I got there, I knew I shouldn’t buy him, but I bonded instantly with him and I had to take him!”
and they always, ALWAYS end with, “So I consider him a rescue.”

Well, I consider my hand to be a pumpkin pie, but so far reality has not responded to my wishes. That was NOT a rescue. That was a PURCHASE. And it is a purchase that rewarded, usually amply, the person selling the puppy.

My next favorite part is when person B says someihing like the following:
  • “Well, it doesn’t matter where dogs come from, as long as they find love!”
  • “I am sure you couldn’t have left him behind!”
  • “I am so glad that you gave him this wonderful happy ending!”
  • “I can’t believe nobody bought him before you! Good for you for buying him!”
Two words:
BULL
PUCKY.

Do you REALLY think it doesn’t matter where dogs come from, as long as they get carried off into the sunrise, surrounded by butterflies and the sound of an autoharp? Seriously?

Do you think it does that person a BIT of good to have their PURCHASE given your stamp of approval?

Because here’s who DOESN’T go off into the sunrise:
  • All the other dogs in that pet store, which can continue in business another day because YOU just paid their rent and salaries and covered the pittance they paid for that puppy.
  • The next corgi puppy or Lab puppy or Shepherd puppy who gets ordered from Hunte Corp. because YOU showed them there’s a market for this breed, so we’d better get two next time.
  • The other dogs in that breeder’s home, who will now be bred again because wow, she just covered six months of electric bill in a single day thanks to YOUR check, so she WILL breed those dogs again.
  • The mother dog in the puppy mill somewhere in the Midwest, who will be bred again because Hunt corp got a ton of orders for corgis or Labs or Shepherds or Poodles this month.
  • The other dogs in your puppy’s litter, who were sold to who knows what people with zero screening or any qualifications other than a credit card.

There is a sacred rule upon which our entire society is built: The end does not justify the means.
It is a GOOD thing that the puppy is going to have a good life. That does not justify the tens or hundreds or thousands of BAD things that had to occur to get him to that point.

Your dog is a rescue if he came from a rescue. A rescue is an organization desperately trying to put itself out of business.
Your dog is NOT a rescue if he came from a pet store. A pet store is a place trying to STAY in business.
Your dog is NOT a rescue if he came from a breeder. And that includes a good one; my puppies are not “adopted” or “rescued” or anything of the kind. I SELL puppies. The difference is that a good breeder doesn’t view anything she does as a business, and if she did she’d be the worst businessperson on the planet. She sells puppies based on the accomplishments of their parents and she loses money. A bad breeder is trying to make breeding their business, selling puppies based on the value of cuteness and maximizing profits however is possible. But even when you buy from the best breeder on earth, YOU ARE NOT RESCUING

And STOP mouthing those hideous platitudes about how it doesn’t matter where a dog comes from as long as it’s loved. You do no one any favors when you justify giving hundreds or thousands of dollars to a machine that grinds up dogs and spits them out dead. When you buy from a pet store or puppy mill or bad breeder, you create pain ten times the size of the good you’ve done. When you encourage that purchase, you’re scratching the chin of a business that can only be called evil.

STOP IT.

If you did something wrong, if you made a mistake, even if you knew it was wrong and said heck with it, I’m doing it anyway, OWN IT. Say “I did some*thing really stupid, something I hope you don’t ever do, something I hope nobody ever does.”

If somebody comes to you chirruping about a puppy, say “He’s gorgeous, but you can never, never do that again and here’s why.” Will it offend people? Absolutely. Will they think you’re mean and uncharitable and go away saying “I don’t regret a single thing I did! I’d do it again!” For sure.

But the thing is, they WON’T do it again. The next time they stop in front of a pet store window, they’ll hear your voice and they’ll feel just a little bit ashamed, and they will NOT go back in. They may attribute the wiggle in their gut as a desire for Cinnabon that’s greater than their desire to see a Beagle puppy, but the result is the same. A puppy does not get purchased.

And if enough are not purchased, that pet store will go out of business. Don’t think it can happen? It does all the time. When I was a kid, everybody got every pet from a pet store, and there were little mom and pop pet stores in every town. Now, I can think of only four or five within two hours of me. Those are staying in business because they have the tiny designer dogs of the moment; I haven’t seen a big dog in a pet store in New England in years. IT’S WORKING.

And if enough pet stores go out of business, Hunte Corp will go out of business. And when that happens, thousands of puppy mills will simply shutter their doors. There will be a massive increase in dog auctions for six months and then they’ll blessedly go away. And THAT is the true end we want.

Don’t settle for anything else.
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I am very sorry for your loss of Samson.

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Thanks!! See this is what I mean. I am not aware of these things or how they work but what you said makes sense. I get it! I will go the route of rescue or save up and get a real Doberman. Thanks for explaining this to me.
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Thanks!! See this is what I mean. I am not aware of these things or how they work but what you said makes sense. I get it! I will go the route of rescue or save up and get a real Doberman. Thanks for explaining this to me.
You are making an incredibly wise choice! Rescue will provide you with a dobe who is desperate for a forever home of their own and you know the money spent will be used to SAVE more lives, instead of PRODUCE more pitiful puppies.

There are a ton of members on DT heavily involved in rescue and I'm sure can point you to some great organizations in your area!

Just want to add that although you had a great experience raising two males together, dobermans are notorious for same sex aggression. Especially males. I would say this time around you are better off going with a female. That and most rescue groups would not be willing to place a male in a home with an existing male dog.

RIP Samson.
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Thanks!! See this is what I mean. I am not aware of these things or how they work but what you said makes sense. I get it! I will go the route of rescue or save up and get a real Doberman. Thanks for explaining this to me.
You're welcome and I"m so glad that it helped your decision!

I want to say, you can get a purebred doberman from a rescue. Check out Petfinder.com where you can put in a specific breed as well as your area code. Also, check out Doberman Rescue Unlimited (DRU) - a doberman-specific rescue that serves your area (judging by the location of the CraigsList post). Good luck!
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Samson, I got my Dober-girl from Distinguished Doberman Rescue, Inc. (or "DDR") and I live in Queens. Unfortunately (or is it really "fortunately"??) there are not many rescues that service our area. I believe there is DRU, DDR and DVDPA (Delaware Valley Doberman). The application is LONG, but worth it -- they will find you the puppy/dog that will be a perfect match for your family.

We just couldn't be more happy with our Bella. She is healthy, happy and the BIGGEST Dober-Mush God has created! The entire family is just IN LOVE!! Our pup was still in utero when her Mama was surrendered to a shelter. Had she been euth'd, there would've been 10 lives lost, as she was carrying 9 puppies at the time. When my husband and I discussed that recently, his eyes teared up, as he just couldn't believe that if that had happened, that we never would've had our sweet girl. Believe me, you don't have to BUY to get a great dog, AND you get the satisfaction of knowing that you've given a pup a second chance for best life possible. Good luck to you!
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Thanks!! See this is what I mean. I am not aware of these things or how they work but what you said makes sense. I get it! I will go the route of rescue or save up and get a real Doberman. Thanks for explaining this to me.
Could it be? After so many disheartening posts from Trollville supporting the "saving" these poor BYB pups, could it be that the message made it through??

Samson, you just made my Christmas. I mean it. Thank you.

There is so much collective experience on this forum, so much to learn, and people wlling to share decades of experience that I am always a little astounded when folks choose to not listen. When they are threatened by people with more knowledge and experience who are only trying to help and educate for the love of this breed.

Thank you for taking that advice to heart.

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Many cropped/docked dogs in rescue, please, please just start looking around. Ginger is still available in Waco. Very sweet red girl.type her name in search and you can see pic.k

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says Kingwood but she is in Waco we just saw her a few days ago. I might be able to help transport. I would love to see this sweet girl get a good home. RIP Samson I am glad you were loved.
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Hi,

There is a Doberman rescue in South Barrington ( I noticed you mentioned that you are near Chicago).

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Hi,

There is a Doberman rescue in South Barrington ( I noticed you mentioned that you are near Chicago).

Illinois Doberman Rescue | Doberman Adoption | Rescue Assistance

Rest in Peace-Sam
Actually in Brooklyn, used to live in Chicago.

Thanks all for your wisdom. Merry Christmas.
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Welcome and so sorry to hear abou the loss of Samson. It does not matter how long we have them it matters that we cared for them and the love and memories you shared.

Honer his memory by rescuing - Don't support the breeders like this that do not care about the breed or the puppies. It only gives them the money to continue.
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