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Old 12-20-2012, 10:07 AM   #26 (permalink)
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If you have owned or been around the Husky breed in general, they are like Siamese cats- very, very vocal. Dobies can be vocal too, but not like this breed.

If you are putting them in crates, and letting them out when they start whiing, barking, screaming, chewing the bars, you are only being trained by a puppy to let him out when he says, and not when you say.

Rou went through his horrible stage of hating his crate and screaming like was being murdered. Being as he needed to be crated regardless if I was not home, and still has to be, I slept through this behavior for about a month if not longer until he began to like his crate.

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or toy to play with worked really well in conditioning my boy to liking his "den". When he is tired he just walks right in and goes to sleep. He has a nice pillow in there too to sleep on, making it a desirable spot.

Also using a crate as a "time out" place is a big NO NO regardless of breed. You want them to like the crate and not fear it.

Right now you are training your dog that he has to stay in there, but WILL eventually come out and not be locked up forever! Leaving the door propped open is good.

As for stealing treats, toys, bones, etc. If you can't separate them, just don't give them something that can be stolen. Or you can give them puzzle toys that they need to work at- i.e. freezing a Kong toy with treats/food inside to keep each dog occupy on something other than each others bones?

A lot of helpful information has already been posted.
Yeah I have never used the crate for negative purposes, we actually used it as a "safe place" that she could go that the kids cannot mess with her etc, and she doesn't dislike her crate, she just isn't used to going in there while I'm home. :-/ I usually put treats in there when she goes in there so I don't "force her to go in" so we've tried to be careful about the crate not being a negative thing. thank you all so much for all the advice!!
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As of right now, They sleep in the same room, but apart; like one on the bed one on the floor, their bowls are in separate rooms, and they are taken out separately, and when they go out to the stores with us, we split them up on separate leashes one with my husband one with me, they really only play together and they are usually in separate places in the rooms (justice lays on the tile at the door entrance, and Sacha with me on the floor or couch) I don't see any issues of littermate syndrome YET, but I am trying to keep an eye on it and so far the toy stealing is all I've seen which is something Justice has done since day one... It's gotten a lot better too. They don't fight at all except when Sacha gets tired of her stealing her toys/bones.. and then its not really a "fight" its like a scuffle and Sacha usually goes back to her bone, but now since I have been sitting between them or separating them it hasn't happened again.
As far as being separate, it means without the other dog at all Crate in separate rooms occasionally. Take one to the store and leave the other one at home. If you do not do this you risk them being dependent on each other to 'cope' and you risk not being able to leave them home alone without the other dog. 90% of socializing outside the home should be alone without another dog. They need to learn how to cope by themselves. Same with training if you go to group classes. This is why it's so difficult to raise 2 puppies.
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As far as being separate, it means without the other dog at all Crate in separate rooms occasionally. Take one to the store and leave the other one at home. If you do not do this you risk them being dependent on each other to 'cope' and you risk not being able to leave them home alone without the other dog. 90% of socializing outside the home should be alone without another dog. They need to learn how to cope by themselves. Same with training if you go to group classes. This is why it's so difficult to raise 2 puppies.
Maybe I'll start doing that then, taking one away for a little while with me while the other is home... We didn't do that because we didn't want jealousy to start, specifically with Justice. But maybe it wont happen, we'll have to try that. thank you!
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Maybe I'll start doing that then, taking one away for a little while with me while the other is home... We didn't do that because we didn't want jealousy to start, specifically with Justice. But maybe it wont happen, we'll have to try that. thank you!
Think of it this way. If their entire life they are around the other dog 99% of the time and never learn to face the world on their own, what happens if one needs to go to the vet? OR god forbid something happens to one? Will the other survive? I have literally seen dogs be PTS becuase they could not function without the other dog. This is obviously an extreme case.

At my house, my dogs learn to suck it up We don't all always get to do something or so somewhere I decide who does what and they suck it up Everybody eventually gets a turn but I don't cater to them.

And this if often why breeders don't place two puppies together. Again it's a LOT of extra work unfortunately.
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Think of it this way. If their entire life they are around the other dog 99% of the time and never learn to face the world on their own, what happens if one needs to go to the vet? OR god forbid something happens to one? Will the other survive? I have literally seen dogs be PTS becuase they could not function without the other dog. This is obviously an extreme case.

At my house, my dogs learn to suck it up We don't all always get to do something or so somewhere I decide who does what and they suck it up Everybody eventually gets a turn but I don't cater to them.

And this if often why breeders don't place two puppies together. Again it's a LOT of extra work unfortunately.
lol I guess I never thought of it as that, with my kids, we have to remember we can't give one something and not the other, or take one to do something and not the other, I guess we never really thought about the pups any other way either lol I am going to try it today and see how Justice does, She's the one i'm worried about jealousy from. Sacha, I'm less worried about jealousy for because she's pretty easy going about it, more her barking or whining incessantly because no one is home. Sacha is much more people oriented than Justice, but Justice is much more moody than Sacha. lol it IS ALOT of extra work... I just want them both to be well adjusted and happy puppies.

I like the suck it up perspective on it lol never thought about it because we always see them as the babies of the family.
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I put my puppy in a corral around the nook area in my kitchen. He loved his stuffy and chewies, Eli could not have those things. If it was my husky, I'll haul that crate in the garage, give her the bone and let her howl away in there until she learned.
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LOL She'd be mad and pouting for a week!!!! LOL
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lol I guess I never thought of it as that, with my kids, we have to remember we can't give one something and not the other, or take one to do something and not the other, I guess we never really thought about the pups any other way either
You might take another look at this - my kids (I have two girls) are distinctly different people with different needs & wants and right from the beginning we didn't play the 'even up' game with them. Fairness doesn't have to mean exactly equal- sometimes something more or less or different is appropriate.

Same with the dogs, they have different needs & personalities. Look at what is best for them & give it to them as best you can. You may have to restrict the husky more, but that just means you are treating her right for her. (This also means that the husky may have more rules to follow & the dobe may have the space & peace to behave as you want without restriction.)
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You might take another look at this - my kids (I have two girls) are distinctly different people with different needs & wants and right from the beginning we didn't play the 'even up' game with them. Fairness doesn't have to mean exactly equal- sometimes something more or less or different is appropriate.

Same with the dogs, they have different needs & personalities. Look at what is best for them & give it to them as best you can. You may have to restrict the husky more, but that just means you are treating her right for her. (This also means that the husky may have more rules to follow & the dobe may have the space & peace to behave as you want without restriction.)
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Hmm... Definitely a thought! Can you elaborate a little more what you mean, just so I can clearly understand? I get it with kids, but I mean on the "how to" to implement it with the pups...

Thank you for a more in depth look at it.

Update... Justice left home today, did fine, no destruction no issues, in fact she was in the same place she was when I left. YAYYYY
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The dobe needs a padded bed & the husky needs more work on vocalization. One dog's nails may need to be dremeled more often, the husky will need more brushing. Even though they are similar ages & both dogs, they aren't the same. (Since the dobe is more social than the other - that is the dog that does the mom taxi runs with you, the husky might like quiet late walks around the block before bed when the dobe is already snuggled in for the night.)

What about making their crates 'off limits' to the other dog - so that they always have a safe place to be, not only from friends of the kids but from each other? If you can think of them as individuals, rather than as 'the dogs' it might be easier to look at what will help them mature & behave the way you want them to.

Good luck - it does sound like tons of work! (Keep reminding yourself, the work you put in now will be extremely rewarding later.)
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Just because 1 dog "gets" to do or "gets" something doesn't mean the other does (and for me it's the same with kids). But back to the dogs since I don't have kids

Nightly routine - puppy will be in a crate until I am 100% convinced she is safe and won't get into things. Hvaoc and Gabby sleep in a dog room with many beds to choose from and access to a dog door outside. Gabby has water diabetes and needs to pee and I "ain't gettin up" Flirt sleeps on the bed. She will eat the bedding from the other dogs' beds. That's her "punishment" I could also crate her. Sometimes the one with diabetes sleeps in the bed. Flirt eats grass unsupervised so then the dog door gets shut and Havoc has no outside access. he LOVES to chase critters at night..oh well too bad so sad

When we go somewhere, Envy goes in her out separate kennel run so she learns independence. Flirt goes in a kennel run because again she eats so much grass I worry about an obstruction. Havoc and Gabby have access to the dog door inside/outside. When the lawn people come, they go in with Flirt.

I'm currently training the puppy. She gets a lot of treats. The adults don't get one just because she did. They often get them, but not every time. Sometimes the first dog who does it is the only one who gets it.

Basically rules are determined by the dog not because "the other one gets to do it." Soon I am going to start bringing dogs to work. I get to pick WHO comes. Not everyone can come. They'll all survive
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The dobe needs a padded bed & the husky needs more work on vocalization. One dog's nails may need to be dremeled more often, the husky will need more brushing. Even though they are similar ages & both dogs, they aren't the same. (Since the dobe is more social than the other - that is the dog that does the mom taxi runs with you, the husky might like quiet late walks around the block before bed when the dobe is already snuggled in for the night.)

What about making their crates 'off limits' to the other dog - so that they always have a safe place to be, not only from friends of the kids but from each other? If you can think of them as individuals, rather than as 'the dogs' it might be easier to look at what will help them mature & behave the way you want them to.

Good luck - it does sound like tons of work! (Keep reminding yourself, the work you put in now will be extremely rewarding later.)
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Right now, their crates are off limits... and its probably weird, but they each have their own set of habits. like sacha will pull all her bones out of her crate and leave them about, where as justice will take them and put her chew bones on her bed and her toys in her crate. I can usually for the most part tell who has done what because they have their own way of doing things... like justice, shes not one for grabbing papers off the tables, but sacha is known for it. any given chance when one of my kids comes home from school and sets it down, she'll try to swipe it. Justice is the TP monster... LOVES to get into the TP if someone forgets to close the bathroom door.

I'm beginning to see that I get to choose who and what they do. I definitely never considered it that way I guess. lol

I'm beginning to see that not everybody gets to do it, or get a treat or whatever, but that I get to choose who does...

the estrogen content in my house is high... There is me, My two 5 yr old girls, and 2 female pups, vs. my husband and the male cat lol With the girls we just got into doing that in order to avoid fights between them, UNLESS its earned or something obviously just for them, giving them both something to keep everyone under wraps.... Primarily because of one of the children and her needs.
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