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Old 12-17-2012, 03:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My 11 week old Doberman doesn't seem to understand when she's doing something wrong. I keep telling her no but I think she doesn't understand that . Her idea if playing is constant biting and it's starting to hurt. I've ignored her, told her to stop , said no, put her in her cage and she's just not getting it. Also she doesn't listen to well to commands she only knows sit and paw. Any suggestions would be great?


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she's 11 weeks old... sounds like you're expecting too much. She's a baby, it will come in time.

what training methods and techniques have you been using? Have you gone to training classes?
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My 11 week old Doberman doesn't seem to understand when she's doing something wrong. I keep telling her no but I think she doesn't understand that . Her idea if playing is constant biting and it's starting to hurt. I've ignored her, told her to stop , said no, put her in her cage and she's just not getting it. Also she doesn't listen to well to commands she only knows sit and paw. Any suggestions would be great?


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Redirect her to things she can chew. Keep stuffies handy and when she starts to bite or chew something she shouldn't give her a stuffie to chew.

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Obedience class is a GREAT idea and I also think that you are expecting a whole lot from a very young puppy.

That being said, I had to do a lot of work on attention with my boy. I worked on "eyes" with him where I would hold treats out to both sides and wait until he looked to me. Then I would give him a treat. Eventually I started putting a name to the command (I actually use his name for this as I want my calling his name to get his attention on me, I also use the word "eyes" from time to time) and as I worked on it I lengthened how long I'd want him looking at me before I gave him his reward. I spend two weeks on JUST attention work and I feel like it really helped.
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Puppies don't have such great attention spans.

I think Dobermans do themselves a disservice by being so darn smart that they raise our expectations. My fiance and I have talked about this on occasion; that Elka is just so with it with so many things, that we forget that she is, in fact, just a dog (though an adult now). I think she may or may not forget it as well, which complicates matters.
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I get the same thing, Gracie is 12 weeks. Sometimes she follows commands, sometimes no.
Gotta be puppy ADD.

Sometimes she will give paw, sometimes she will sit, sometimes she comes when called. Really trying to work on more bonding with her right now. We have a medium sized family and I think with all of us trying different commands at different times and offering treats or not is confusing to a pup.

One day she will walk on a leash, others no.

Might be Bi Polar!
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Envy was a wannabe Dober-shark. Man she's bitier than any Dobe I've had. We have toys everywhere. Right around 13 weeks or so I think it got a LOT better. She still gets bitey. I noticed a pattern and one thing I did was put her in her crate for 7-10 minutes for the evening bitey. It was too early for bed but she was over tired. She'd be much better when she came out. I also SHOVE toys into her mouth vs my arm, sleeve, foot, leg, pants. She virtually runs around with her mouth open grabbing at things and she's 17 weeks now.
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Dobershark. Obedience/puppy school.
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It's not just you! OB will help, as will redirection.

Use the forum search & try both 'puppy biting' and 'bite inhibition'. (maybe also 'constant biting'?) The following is a thread that came up under bite inhibition & it has the Ian Dunbar writeup which I think I've seen a number of times now & seems really good. There are also other suggestions for 'dobersharks'.

http://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-corner/23657-constant-biting.html

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Calamity was really bad also. It sounds weird but yelping like a puppy when she bites helps ALOT. It still works when I want to get her attention and worked very well with Huckleberry.


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Patience redirect redirect redirect patience redirect etc.
Sounds like you got a normal spunky dobe puppy which is what you want.
The more determined and stubborn the better. Unless you want a pup that giv. in easily.
Dobes are smart, paw and sit is boring after awhile.
There is no contnuing to bite, i go on a 3 strike rule then everything escalates, remove object, remove her, discontinue play (they dont like that).
At that age their attention span is that of a green pea . Keep any training very light or impatience will set in and Adhd puppy mode will kick in.
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This.

Most of their socialization and learning of boundaries has been with their littermates, and so if you yelp or say "ouch!" quickly in a high pitched voice they'll generally let up on the bite. That's what their littermates would do, so they recognize that they are hurting you.
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I teach my young puppy to bite me first...if biting my hand has little or no consequence, they effectively slow down on hard biting.
And show them that their biting has absolutely zero effect on hurting me, I am their super human in strength.
As a husband I do this with the new pup, so my wife does not have to go through the pain of getting bit hard.

With a pup, I slide 2 fingers behind the dogs back teeth molars, between their softer gum area, and let the dog have an initial hay-day clamping down on me as hard as possible for them.
I am just sitting there, calm & cool as a "cucumber"...just talking in a nice soft normal voice.
- the dog quickly things, WTF...this person has strength and leadership that I need to respect (he just proved it), moving forward...much like the qualities my dober mom had
- since I can't hurt this owners human hand, its not much fun any longer...pup thinks, just reminding me of my weakness
Early soft bite training and muzzle playing, at the youngest age works fast and when the dobe matures with a bite strength of 2000/sq. inch. - they never show it off with loved ones or ever realize the strength they grow into / instead remember the early biting, they could never conquer...and never will.

I also bate the dobe with the tip of my index finger (in fun), to get snapped at (over & over), and laugh my head off, when their mouth is snapping shut on thin air...again, pup just learned, this owner is fun and impossible to ever overtake.

I call my bite work "fight night" and often will do some while settling in the master bed together, for a few minutes.
Even my son's little YorkiePoo will soft bite my hand, when I wake up...I taught him these games to.
I also play lots of tug, and the dogs always wins...while they figure out, Dad let them win eventually (building drive, much eye focus in fun).
- so I do a multiple of play game, to teach acceptable & fun controlled mouthing / that is why I don't avoid, ignore &/or redirect
- I change the behavior in the real bite (when first displayed), and results are speedy and most effective, for the life of the dog
(obviously, easier to do the above, from day1 with a puppy...instead of after it gets big & strong)
With practice - Dogs can learn "you don't bite the hand that feeds them !!
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:29 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Everything is new to her as she is brand new to the world still. Every noise, smell, object, etc. is the next best thing! I agree with all of the advise on this thread. The "eyes" technique is something I am currently working on with my boy. At her age, sit and paw are excellent! Rou was even laying down on command at his age. However, he loves and will do anything for treats. I found toy based puzzles like the Kong held his attention and had him use his brain when he was young.

She will come into her own soon enough, but she still has lots of growing (mental and of course physical) to go through.
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dont uss the cage as punishment!!!
thos must be the one piece of advice I slways give! your just going to make the cage a negative place and one day you will need it amd she will not want to go in
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We got Toby when he was 6 weeks old. Yeah I know, early or what, but that is a different story and one too long to go into here.

From day one he used to bite us and boy did it hurt. We used re-direction with him then as we do now as it was truly the only way to get through to him we didnt/don't like it as he never quite got the gist that when we yelped he had to stop.

Toby is now 2 years old and he still bites if he gets the chance. Fact is he loves to use his teeth, both to nibble (which he does incessantly, you know the kind of nibble I mean, the grooming nibble) and to hang on to you as you are walking out the door as if he is trying to pull you along.

Stuffies came first, then balls, but now we have progressed onto a blue sausage thing that is used for bite training, (my trainer friend recommended them as being tough enough to withstand sharp teeth and she was right).

When Toby is in the mood for biting (usually as we are about to set off for a walk) I give him the bite toy and voila, he runs around with this in his mouth and we don't get rasped with his shark teeth. He even goes and grabs it when we come in from say shopping and runs around with it all happy because he can bite at something in excitement and he doesnt get told off for doing so as he would if it were my arm.

Patience and re-direction are the order of the day and remember the crate is his friend, not his means of punishment. Instead of using this as a time out I found it better to use another room, one where Toby could still see us but not get to us. (babygates are a wonderful invention I do swear for this). Nowadays all I need say to Toby is 'time out, go to your room' and he trots off to it, sits down just behind where the babygate used to be put and waits till he is told he can come out again.

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