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Old 12-10-2012, 08:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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crate problem!!!

its 2.20am im at work and I got a right moaning at from the old dear 2 hours ago!

she is at home with the dog shes trying to sleep he is in his crate! 1 week ago he barked for the entire night...litterally! old dear got 2 hours sleep!

if im there he doesnt make a sound! he gets in his crate fine for both of us! as soon as its closed and I cover it he starts whining I tell him no and shh him and after maybe 2 min he will make a deep groan and you can hear him turning round and laying down! then he is silent all night! when I put him in his crate I have to go to work! when I leave relentless vallbarking starts! I must stress he doesnt bark when im there! he cant see me leaving ive triwd going out via front and back still goes nuts!

BUT 8/10 nights he is silent even if ive already gone and hes not in cage then gets put in!

ive played with him in the crate, fed him in it, gave him treats, never force him in, put a tshirt ive worn in, coveres the crate, left light on, put radio on! basically tried everything ( not all at once lol) he will get un without fail everytime you tell him but as I say he will get in have a treat and be quite most of the time!

my old dear doesnt seem to have the patience for it even though he is usually fine she just looses her rag and rings me when ivcant do anything about it

I dont take him everywhwre with me most nights I drop him home and go back out and leave him with mum!

the thing is she let him out last time ( after 4 hours keeping her up) and he just ran up and down room to room whining and barking out the window so its clearly seperation that is causing it but he will be fine in the day if I leave him or in evening! its only when I cant come home he kicks off

any suggestions? without any tranq or meds of any sort

its frustrating because he is so good most the time
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:03 AM   #2 (permalink)
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anyone have any idea? this is a real problem as there is no telling when he may keep her up all night and she is very busy, i think i have tried everything, i dont think its the cage itself as he gets in it himself sometimes when i am in the kitchen and he never tries to stay out of the cage he just goes in and sits down
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Could you let him sleep in your bedroom
It's not a fix but could help
Or in his crate on your mothers room ?


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i do let him sleep in my room sometimes he never makes a sound, my mum put him in there last night and he just kept leaving..

I just put his bed at top of the stairs and set my blower up to video him and left the house and went up the alley and what he did was

had a quick whimper
looked at his bed
looked down the stairs
looked at his bed again
went and lay down

i was out for 5 mins not a sound

then i tried with the cage!

put him in, treated him for going in straight away
shut cage
as soon as i shut the front door he started barking.....

im going to risk leaving him out of cage with roam of just the hallways and a few toys for 15-20 mins (just pop round the corner to my mates have a cuppa and walk back) ill leave my phone on record and see if he makes any noise when its a bit longer.

The problem is though that my mum let him out of his cage after a couple of hours and he just barks at every sound he hears, i definitely need to work on this at night as the atmosphere is totally different. Problem being i have work tonight and if he starts barking crazy all night again my mum will start getting really irritated. Living at home is terrible i need to get my life on track.....
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i do let him sleep in my room sometimes he never makes a sound, my mum put him in there last night and he just kept leaving..

I just put his bed at top of the stairs and set my blower up to video him and left the house and went up the alley and what he did was

had a quick whimper
looked at his bed
looked down the stairs
looked at his bed again
went and lay down

i was out for 5 mins not a sound

then i tried with the cage!

put him in, treated him for going in straight away
shut cage
as soon as i shut the front door he started barking.....

im going to risk leaving him out of cage with roam of just the hallways and a few toys for 15-20 mins (just pop round the corner to my mates have a cuppa and walk back) ill leave my phone on record and see if he makes any noise when its a bit longer.

The problem is though that my mum let him out of his cage after a couple of hours and he just barks at every sound he hears, i definitely need to work on this at night as the atmosphere is totally different. Problem being i have work tonight and if he starts barking crazy all night again my mum will start getting really irritated. Living at home is terrible i need to get my life on track.....

By you and your mom letting him out of the cage after he barks you're telling him that once he barks he will be let out (which is what he wants) you and your mom have to ignore him, don't talk to him at all. No "shhhhhh" no saying "no" just completely ignore him. Try to not cover the cage up at all. Give him some toys or bones to occupy him while in the cage. That's what I did with my pup and after a week she no longer barks, and loves her crate. Good luck!
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:12 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I'm wondering on the nights he behaves badly- how much exercise did he get before you left?

Our pup will only drive us nuts in the crate if he is full of pent up energy- if I make sure we have enough walks, and indoor play time (if it is raining out), then he will settle quite happily (and quietly) with a kong stuffed with some kibble or biscuits.

We have 2 crates- a downstairs crate for quick confinement (if I am taking a shower, or out running a few errands) and upstairs in our bedroom which is for sleep only. The only crate he ever pitches any type of fit in is the downstairs one, and like I mentioned- only if he is full of energy.

It also sounds to me like your pup needs to be kept on a good exercise schedule, and trained to "go to bed" at the same time each night. If he is tired, he should sleep pretty soundly until you let him out. We have a "goodnight" ritual that we trained Remy to when we first brought him home. He is taken upstairs and motioned towards the crate with "goodnight Remy"- then the crate is closed. Our prior dogs were trained the same way and would eventually put themselves to bed if we were late getting ready!

Puppies are an awful lot like children- they do best on a reliable schedule, even when ours may not be...
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i always walk him and take a ball with me for at least 30 mins and make him run as much as possible

Today i have been leaving him in the hallway (with access to his crate) and his other bed at the top of the stairs

Hes been good as gold, i filmed him 3 times!

1st in Crate, instabark kicked in as the front door closed

then a few times with free roam of hallway and stairs, no noise but a little whimper and then he went upstairs and got on his bed

Last time i left him tonight i left him for my mum to come home too instead of me for a bit of bonding and he was lying in his cage again filmed and he was silent.

So im off to work in 10 and he is knockout in the hallway, all his toys are about and he has got water, been fed. hopefully he will stay content now he doesnt have to get in the cage which is clearly having an adverse effect generally today he has been a bit calmer. he doesnt chew things anyway so im not really sure i need the cage unless he is going to be alone for 4-5 hours but even then i dont know many people that keep their dogs in cages he will never have free roam of any more than the hallway he cant really do any damage

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Old 12-11-2012, 05:50 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I second the extra exercise.

In addition to this: Either crate, or don't crate. Don't switch it up. How would you feel if you were allowed to be in the bedroom one night, but then had to sleep on the couch the next? You'd probably be pretty upset.
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thanks for the advice, he stayed out of his crate last night and was fine all night apart from barking once at some noise of some sort!

It wasnt the usual where are you relentless barking mum said!

He still goes in his cage himself and lays in there but clearly doesnt like not having the option to leave and as he is not destructive he can have roam of the hallways hes got cage downstairs and bed at the top seems quite content, also much calmer in the morning after a relaxed nights sleep!

I didnt really want to use a cage but its something you have to and i know some dogs love thier cage, he likes his but not being locked in!
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also he gets 3 walks a day all 1 hour at least and most days he gets out with my mate who has his sister an EBT, Bulldog x staff and Rottie x Lab (we think, she was a rescue)

sometimes we get out for 2-3 hours up the woods in 1 trip, thats the only time he might only get a quick 15 mins in the evening because he is already knockout
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also he gets 3 walks a day all 1 hour at least and most days he gets out with my mate who has his sister an EBT, Bulldog x staff and Rottie x Lab (we think, she was a rescue)

sometimes we get out for 2-3 hours up the woods in 1 trip, thats the only time he might only get a quick 15 mins in the evening because he is already knockout
Please do not walk him that much!

I cannot emphasize this enough. He should only be walked for 5 minutes for every month. If your dog is 6 months he should be walked no more than 30 minutes at one time. This is very hard on his undeveloped joints and encourages problems. Three times a day is fine.

Focus more on mental stimulation.
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Please do not walk him that much!

I cannot emphasize this enough. He should only be walked for 5 minutes for every month. If your dog is 6 months he should be walked no more than 30 minutes at one time. This is very hard on his undeveloped joints and encourages problems. Three times a day is fine.

Focus more on mental stimulation.
ive never heard that before, i dont spend the whole time walking around we stop regularly in the woods and he still always wants to go out later.

Ill have to cut it down, hopefully he hasnt got too used to being walked that much
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I find that training for a trick is more tiring than a half hour walk anyway. We still walk, but cold days can be conquered as well.
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