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Old 12-07-2012, 03:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I found a puppy with its people on a dark sidewalk. She was at first glance, in the dark, a rolly polly 2 month old, but on closer look she was a sad little thing.

When I went to pet her she flinched shook her head and one of her post went flying off and I got splattered with blood. As I talked to the owner I learned this pup was a left over from a previous litter. She hadn't sold, but the man had a new litter that was ready to go by christmas and he was hoping this little girl would maybe sell as well. Her ears were posted, at least one still was, and they had stiches still in them. Her exposed ear was bleeding profusely and it looked like someone had hacked the top part of her ear off with a dull knife. As I talked to the owner I learned she had one ear tip removed by dog bite and he had cropped her ears, something he said he never did with his pups, to even them out and make her more salable. Her ribs and hip bones were showing and what had originally given her the look of a plump puppy was actually and extended and bloated abdoman.

As I talked to him and tried to educate him on proper care of puppy he told me more about her situation. He said his vet said no puppy should be vaccinated or cropped until at least 14 weeks. She was living outside in a pen with his breeding stalk. I didn't know what to do, but compassion won the argument. Her ear was raw and jagged and hot to the touch. She was living outside in the winter with vicious dogs. She was malnurished and bloated. No one was going to pay his price of $650, discounted for Christmas. She was going to die a painful death in the cold of starvation if the infection didn't kill her first.

I went and got the required cash and bought this little waif. All the way home I thought oh my what did you just get yourself into. I stopped and bought her a collar, leash and kennel on my way home. After some calm quiet time at home I finally tackled the horrible task of unposting the still posted ear. She was such a good girl as I pulled the tape off her inflamed bloody stiched ear. I put some of the antibiotic powder I had for obsidian's ears on them and tucked her in for the night in her new kennel.

First thing in the morning I took her to the vet. Turns out the extended tummy was not worms as I suspected, but a bad case of caccidia. She is on antibiotics for the infection in her ears and a gash above her left eye, 100 mg of simplicif. She is also on albon for the caccidia. The vet removed the stiches and was as appalled as I was at the butcher job done to her ears.

She got a round of vaccinations, a nail trim, and a dose of frontline. The vet assured me she is actually in better health than she appears. He said the medication and a good diet and she will be just fine. I decided to name her onyx and she is adjusting well. She is rapidly overcoming her fear of humans and will work on her fear of all other things new. Any sound of a kitchen applience or the furnace scares her, but she recovers quickly. She has been with me almost 48 hours now and is a sweet calm little girl, who is actually 4 months old, not 2 like I originally thought.

Obsidian is a little jealous, but he is adjusting quickly too. I am super busy and still working out the details of training schedules. Most of the time I am working with one or the other pup seperately. I have let them have a few short introduction times under close supervision. She submits to him readily, but he still is a bit pushy and wants to play. She hasn't shown much interest in playing yet, but wants to lay down.

This morning I hung out with her and let her explore the living room and worked on sit and down, which she learned quickly. This afternoon Obisidian went for a walk and next will be two seperate trips to petsmart for socialization for her, and for him because he loves it and has been being socialized there for months now.

Her bloat is improving and I will take pictues of her soon to post. Her ears will never look good, she is always gonna look like the flying nun, but I think it doesn't matter. What matters is I know this one puppy is no longer cold or hungry and soon her ears and the caccidia will be healed.

I know how most of you feel about this type of breeder and I think this guy was worse than most byb's, but standing on principal wasn't going to help her. The only way I could immediately help her was cash. She is a sweetie and it gives me pleasure to know she is safe now. This site has some great information and right now I am greatful to have a place to tell this little girls story. Don't ask me who her breeder was, cause I didn't find out. I didn't think to ask him about himself. In the moment all I wanted to do was to take care of this poor baby's ears and get her some much need food and medical attention.
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Poor thing its unfortunate you supported the byb by giving him any money but I am very happy at least this puppy will be safe and cared for now like she deserves.
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But, you have now lined the greeders pockets with $650, meaning that he absolutely 100% will not only breed again, but will mistreat more slow to sell puppies hoping another soft heart will pay him to "rescue" it...

I'm sorry to sound so blunt, but in your shoes I would have documented the condition of the pup with my camera phone and then threatened the SOB with turning him in to the authorities if he didn't relinquish it to me on the spot. If he failed to do so, I would call the humane officer and would detail the situation. What I would never do is offer that creep one penny to encourage him to continue his torture of animals.

It seems heartless, as you are probably right that the pup you have likely would have died- but how many more will her "breeder" kill/ how many has he killed already? You have saved ONE, at the expense of so many others...
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Have all the BYB threads this past week just gone into peoples ears and out the other???
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Have all the BYB threads this past week just gone into peoples ears and out the other???
Apparently.

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Oh OP, I know your heart was in the right place but your head was not.

It has been said countless times - this week alone - that this is not the way to go about effecting change. You have sacrificed the many to save the one. If this POS breeder can get $650 for a skinny, sickly pup with butchered ears what has he learned from this exchange? To stop breeding or to keep breeding? I'll tell you - he learned that his horrific production methods work and suckers buy puppies. He may have even learned that the worse the pup looks, the better the odds are for him to sell it to some "do-gooder" looking to "rescue" somebody. Who knows how these scum think.

If you wanted to rescue someone with a horrible beginning you should have looked to a rescue organization. They are full of sad, sad stories and wonderful, beautiful souls desperate for a home of their own. That may have been where your girl was headed if not purchased but we'll never know. And best of all, rescue does not reward immoral breeding practices, as you have, with your money.

I know this hurts to hear. I know you love your puppy and feel indignant about "saving" her. I am happy for her, she is an innocent. But you made a mistake.

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I really want to be nice, because I can see how much this girl needed you.

But your compassion for the one pup, and financial support you've given him, has actually hurt more than it helps.

I'm just a little confused as to why this guy would rather let the puppy die than give her up for less than $650 - even most BYBs that I know of wouldn't do that. I do believe that there are other things that could have been done instead. I know that in Manitoba, that's animal cruelty. I would have contacted the police right then and there. Keep that in mind if you ever see that gentleman again.

You are the one who left every other puppy this guy crops himself, makes live in a pen, and live in general misery. Therefore, it is now your responsibility to try and fix your mistake.
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But, you have now lined the greeders pockets with $650, meaning that he absolutely 100% will not only breed again, but will mistreat more slow to sell puppies hoping another soft heart will pay him to "rescue" it...

I'm sorry to sound so blunt, but in your shoes I would have documented the condition of the pup with my camera phone and then threatened the SOB with turning him in to the authorities if he didn't relinquish it to me on the spot. If he failed to do so, I would call the humane officer and would detail the situation. What I would never do is offer that creep one penny to encourage him to continue his torture of animals.

It seems heartless, as you are probably right that the pup you have likely would have died- but how many more will her "breeder" kill/ how many has he killed already? You have saved ONE, at the expense of so many others...
I understand your point, however he won't stop because one pup doesn't sell. He won't even stop if one whole litter doesn't sell. When 6 dobe litters don't sell, he will just breed german shephards. This is Kansas and just walk through a petsmart or have a conversation in a coffee shop... you will find it is conformation breeders most people don't want anything to do with here. Not buying her wouldn't save 100's it would just mean 100's + 1 would be dead. Just the other day a lady in petsmart said to me, "I will only by from a backyard breeder... it is the only way to go."

I agree you can vote with your money. In theory it works, but only if every one agrees and votes the same way. In reality people hold different views and vote in opposing ways according to their own beliefs.

If a call to the humane society would help. They are overworked, under staffed and have limited resources. For me, I thought of this... "though I give all my money to feed the poor and have not love it profits me nothing." I can't fix the world and make people be kind and loving. What I can do is the best for those who God places in my path. I may not be able to save all the abused children, or puppies in the world. I can show love to the children and puppies I meet in this life. I respect your opinion and your right to walk away from her on principal, but I couldn't.
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Good grief.
I'm afraid I would have done the same thing.
Our natural instinct when we see an animal in distress is help.

Note to self. Find out where the SOB lives and breeds. Take pictures and report him.

I can't say I blame the OP for saving this wee baby. Bless you.
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I can't fix the world and make people be kind and loving. What I can do is the best for those who God places in my path. I may not be able to save all the abused children, or puppies in the world. I can show love to the children and puppies I meet in this life. I respect your opinion and your right to walk away from her on principal, but I couldn't.
But what you did is NOT the best for her OR for her siblings, parents, etc.. Your attitude "I can't save them all, but I can save THIS one" is what allows these SOBs to continue pumping out puppies! It is what others who buy from BYBs tell themselves to assuage the guilt of knowing they gave money to someone they shouldn't have.

What WOULD have been best for her would have been for you to find out who he is and turn him in to the authorities! I know how hard it is to walk away (I have done it), and my heart hurts each and every time, but what would be harder would be for me to live with myself if I knew that I had paid him $650 for that puppy- KNOWING the shape she was in you can pretty darn easily surmise the condition of "breeding stalk" as you phrased it.

If nothing else you should at least have gotten his name & contact information to turn in later (with your puppy as documentation). You did not even bother to do that.

So, I am very sorry but I do NOT respect your decision- I cannot. Because I know the truth of these types of situations, and have seen it with my own eyes. If every single person like you did NOT give in to the "save this one" mentality- then guess what- he and others like him WOULD go out of business.
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Just a thought - but how do you know this isn't his "scheme" in getting rid of some of the puppies?
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That is a great idea.

If nothing else you should at least have gotten his name & contact information to turn in later (with your puppy as documentation). You did not even bother to do that.

You gave me an idea. I justed checked and although their is no contact information, his name is listed on her registration form. Do you know will the AKC give me his address?
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Just a thought - but how do you know this isn't his "scheme" in getting rid of some of the puppies?
We always had a pure ton of blankies and towels in the back, when--as a teen--I worked for Petland.

The franchise owner would not let us give anything soft to any of the puppies--he said it was "bad for sales," and laughed about how many "poor, shivering pitiful puppies flew out the doors."
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If nothing else you should at least have gotten his name & contact information to turn in later (with your puppy as documentation). You did not even bother to do that.

You gave me an idea. I justed checked and although their is no contact information, his name is listed on her registration form. Do you know will the AKC give me his address?
If you search his name and "AKC Doberman" or suchlike, it might come up in a plain old Google search.
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You met him on a dark sidewalk and he just happened to also have the registration papers for this pup ON HIM?!?

Obviously, it IS a ploy that this greeder uses regularly to move his "stalk".

Walking away from this thread now, as it is making me sick to my stomach...
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We always had a pure ton of blankies and towels in the back, when--as a teen--I worked for Petland.

The franchise owner would not let us give anything soft to any of the puppies--he said it was "bad for sales," and laughed about how many "poor, shivering pitiful puppies flew out the doors."
Ah how awful. I hope it wasn't a ploy, I would like to believe the world is a better place than that. I have seen some abuse in my life, at times levied against myself as a child. I make peace with these things, by trying to understand the other side. I assume horrific deeds are based on the abusers own pain, lack of understand, ignorance, or such. It is too hard to accept people would intentionally be so cold hearted. I know some are, but I hate think about it.
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You met him on a dark sidewalk and he just happened to also have the registration papers for this pup ON HIM?!?

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Lol....yah right. I think this story, if indeed any part of it is real, is what you might say, slightly embellished.
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I understand your point, however he won't stop because one pup doesn't sell. He won't even stop if one whole litter doesn't sell. When 6 dobe litters don't sell, he will just breed german shephards. This is Kansas and just walk through a petsmart or have a conversation in a coffee shop... you will find it is conformation breeders most people don't want anything to do with here. Not buying her wouldn't save 100's it would just mean 100's + 1 would be dead. Just the other day a lady in petsmart said to me, "I will only by from a backyard breeder... it is the only way to go."

I agree you can vote with your money. In theory it works, but only if every one agrees and votes the same way. In reality people hold different views and vote in opposing ways according to their own beliefs.

If a call to the humane society would help. They are overworked, under staffed and have limited resources. For me, I thought of this... "though I give all my money to feed the poor and have not love it profits me nothing." I can't fix the world and make people be kind and loving. What I can do is the best for those who God places in my path. I may not be able to save all the abused children, or puppies in the world. I can show love to the children and puppies I meet in this life. I respect your opinion and your right to walk away from her on principal, but I couldn't.
It isn't walking away from her on principal. It is walking away and taking a stand. It is the absence of apathy. Which I for one am sick of. Why have so many people in this country decided that wrong can't be defeated and just go along with it? It's a dangerous mindset and a poor state of one's soul to get to this level. Other than the fact that I can sling a cat through your story about how you obtained this pup, did it ever occur to you to do something other than buy her? And don't play the I did good for her card here. Say that you bought her because you wanted her and this is what you had to do to fix her. Say it was a crappy breeder and you wanted the puppy no matter what you had to do to get her. $650 in that guy's pocket was a shame. That amount of money in rescue could have worked miracles. Do me a favor and call the guy and tell him to give half of that to his local Doberman rescue. That way he can start paying on what he owes to the rescues that have to clean up his messes. Oh, and God hates it when we are lukewarm. Hot or cold. Fight or lay down. But don't say everybody else does it so I did too. That's just sad.
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Can u tell us the breeders name?
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Good for you OP, for following what your heart told you to do! I agree that byb's should not be supported but you did what you felt was right. It's a tough call and one that I don't know if I could have walked away from myself. Karma will bring good fortune to you and that little pup, and eventually she will payback the byb that sold her too you, but not in a good way!

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Good for you OP, for following what your heart told you to do! I agree that byb's should not be supported but you did what you felt was right. It's a tough call and one that I don't know if I could have walked away from myself. Karma will bring good fortune to you and that little pup, and eventually she will payback the byb that sold her too you, but not in a good way!

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Lucky you.

You must live in a different world than I.

A world where poetic justice is commonplace, and there need never be any weighing of one evil v. a larger evil.

A world where sweet, gentle, friendly and healthy puppies and dogs are NEVER led by strangers, on a grimy old kennel lead, to the euth room, and put to death, (often painfully and inexpertly) because there aren't enough homes for them all.

While meanwhile there is never anyone lining the pockets of scumbags or just ignorant bumblers who pump out more and more "purebread" puppies or "full stock" puppies or "designer puppies."

A world where all breeders are knowledgeable, kind, and have the best interest of all living beings as a firm and steady goal.

Damn, in that world, I could congratulate and condone OP, as well.
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RedFawn you have no idea who I am or what my life experiences have been. Having said that maybe you should check your condescending attitude at the front door. At least now that puppy is with someone who will care for her, socialize her, and give her a good life. Thats my point in saying good for her! She is going to need some guidance and help, how about instead of lecturing her on paying for a byb puppy and what mistakes she made, everyone offer help and advice on raising 2 pups at the same time etc, etc. Thats what a forum should be for! Like yourself , I'm sure, I tell people everyday about the evils of puppy mills and pet shops and the importance of finding a reputable breeder. But life happens, and pups get bought for maybe the wrong reason( i.e. to save it), but we need to help people not rip into them.
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