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Old 12-04-2012, 12:21 PM   #126 (permalink)
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...my new to me dobe came from one of your "BYB" types...I chose this route because I could see that both parents had very good pedigrees and and a history of producing champions...I want what I want and I will not be intimidated by someone trying to beat me down with guilt...if you want to go save the world have fun at it...meanwhile I will enjoy my life and learn from knowledgeable Dobe owners who would like to share information rather than give lectures...
Omg....have you not read all of the points in these threads about what is wrong with buying from a byb?! How many testimonials have been said that some of us made a mistake due to being uninformed and ignorant but that we will NOT do this again. How are you missing that? It's one thing to make a mistake but we must learn from our mistakes. When we know better we can do better.

Love your dog and make sure they have the best life possible because the pos byb is not there to take your dog back. It's all on you now...no support, no guidance. They got their money and they are done with you and your dog.

Please stick around and try to absorb some knowledge and become enlightened.
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...my new to me dobe came from one of your "BYB" types...I chose this route because I could see that both parents had very good pedigrees and and a history of producing champions...I want what I want and I will not be intimidated by someone trying to beat me down with guilt...if you want to go save the world have fun at it...meanwhile I will enjoy my life and learn from knowledgeable Dobe owners who would like to share information rather than give lectures...
Producing champions? Which ones? Please do feel free to name a few.

I think people who continually play the "y'all are bullies" card fail to recognize, yet, that this is actually all due to frustration. A lot of posts on here are about dogs in rescue. Do you know whose fault that is? Backyard breeders. An ethical breeder does not allow their animals to fall into them. Everyone here is so frustrated that rescues are full of dobermen. Everyone here is so frustrated that avoidable diseases such as vWD are still out there. Everyone here is so frustrated that people buy oversized dogs who later go on to have joint and hip problems among other things. Don't forget about the poor bitches who are overbred, or people who live off of their girl's uteruses. This list goes on and on. This is not bullying, this is frustration at its worst.

I'm going to say a good 75% of people who are on this forum purchased their first doberman from a BYB. This is not a group of "pompous" and "self-righteous" individuals. They have made the same mistake as you.
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I went to one of the main labrador forums because I assumed they deal with the BYB issue 1000 fold. Sure enough, a post about 1 person complaining about how mean and rude everyone is. I thought this response was well said (hope BigBrownDog doesn't mind the quote):

Oftentimes the simple presentation of facts pushes people's noses out of joint and then it's off to the races. There are many who arrive here with really outdated notions that are not beneficial to the dogs. Most of us will counter those outdated and potentially harmful ideas/practices with current info.

I am really here to help educate people about dogs for the benefit of the dogs. So, if it comes down to preserving someone's feelings by supporting an idea I don't agree with - the feelings may lose out. I don't agree with personal attacks being made and I do agree that does impede learning. But - I surely can't help it if somebody is upset because I disagree with their method or the facts/assumptions they are operating under. And that happens all the time.
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I went to one of the main labrador forums because I assumed they deal with the BYB issue 1000 fold. Sure enough, a post about 1 person complaining about how mean and rude everyone is. I thought this response was well said (hope BigBrownDog doesn't mind the quote):

Oftentimes the simple presentation of facts pushes people's noses out of joint and then it's off to the races. There are many who arrive here with really outdated notions that are not beneficial to the dogs. Most of us will counter those outdated and potentially harmful ideas/practices with current info.

I am really here to help educate people about dogs for the benefit of the dogs. So, if it comes down to preserving someone's feelings by supporting an idea I don't agree with - the feelings may lose out. I don't agree with personal attacks being made and I do agree that does impede learning. But - I surely can't help it if somebody is upset because I disagree with their method or the facts/assumptions they are operating under. And that happens all the time.
Wonderfully said, BigBrownDog.
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...I am real new here and I have been following this thread a bit not wanting to chime in for either side of the issue until I read this post...that being said, it is amazing to me the pompous attitude of the "self righteous"...the bullying that goes on is amazing...are you the kind that gets worked up in a frenzy when you see someone speeding or changing lanes without a turn signal?

...my new to me dobe came from one of your "BYB" types...I chose this route because I could see that both parents had very good pedigrees and and a history of producing champions...I want what I want and I will not be intimidated by someone trying to beat me down with guilt...if you want to go save the world have fun at it...meanwhile I will enjoy my life and learn from knowledgeable Dobe owners who would like to share information rather than give lectures...
My gawd, this has turned into "whack-a-mole".

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my new to me dobe came from one of you "BYB" types.
She lined the pockets of a byb so they could and would continue to breed misery. You chose this route because you didn't want to spend time or money finding a reputable breeder. Your dog did NOT come from dogs that have produced champions and because they have typical byb pedigrees and quality dogs don't come from that kind of breeding.

You learn nothing. Your actions prove that. You financed a piss poor breeding operation and want like hell to justify it. You can't. You, because of your I want it and I want it now attitude have condemned more of the problem that bybs are and produce. The fact that you have no guilt over your selfish and stupid act is very telling about what kind of person you are. It is one thing to make a mistake, quite another to come to this forum and proclaim you have no shame for that stupid and uncaring act.

You and your byb share the blame and our contempt for what the two of you have done. The byb for breeding to line his pockets and you for helping do that.

So, you go ahead and enjoy your life but while you're skipping through it occasionally give a thought to the byb churning out misery that you helped in.

Again, you learn nothing. You do show this forum exactly what you are.

Oh, and since you brought it up and used it as justification for promoting byb, exactly what champions have been produced by the byb's breeding stock?
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I would be very curious to see these pedigrees and also to know your opinion about what makes a pedigree "good."
...I am glad to see that you are curious to see the pedigrees and to know what my opinion of what makes a pedigree "good", but personally I don't give a rat's behind what your opinion is...what make's you sooo qualified that you can judge me?
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...I am glad to see that you are curious to see the pedigrees and to know what my opinion of what makes a pedigree "good", but personally I don't give a rat's behind what your opinion is...what make's you sooo qualified that you can judge me?
So, you either don't have a pedigree or it's a typical byb one. Nothing but byb to byb. Haha, knew it.


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So, you either don't have a pedigree or it's a typical byb one. Nothing but byb to byb. Haha, knew it.


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I highly doubt she has papers.
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...I am glad to see that you are curious to see the pedigrees and to know what my opinion of what makes a pedigree "good", but personally I don't give a rat's behind what your opinion is...what make's you sooo qualified that you can judge me?
Awe, you're so precious!
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After your reply I think you're just spouting out words
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I could see that both parents had very good pedigrees and and a history of producing champions
It's okay. Many people get dobes to compensate for lackins in other parts of their lives. Also, I completely understand how hard it is to own up to one's own guilt about, perhaps, supporting horrible-quality breeders. It's okay. I get it. You'll be fine.



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I will enjoy my life and learn from knowledgeable Dobe owners who would like to share information rather than give lectures...
And then this. I guess you're not one of those owners but instead you want to just leech off of them or something? That's cool, you can do that here. Just read the threads and not post. Won't harm anybody at all




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Producing champions? Which ones? Please do feel free to name a few.

I think people who continually play the "y'all are bullies" card fail to recognize, yet, that this is actually all due to frustration. A lot of posts on here are about dogs in rescue. Do you know whose fault that is? Backyard breeders. An ethical breeder does not allow their animals to fall into them. Everyone here is so frustrated that rescues are full of dobermen. Everyone here is so frustrated that avoidable diseases such as vWD are still out there. Everyone here is so frustrated that people buy oversized dogs who later go on to have joint and hip problems among other things. Don't forget about the poor bitches who are overbred, or people who live off of their girl's uteruses. This list goes on and on. This is not bullying, this is frustration at its worst.

I'm going to say a good 75% of people who are on this forum purchased their first doberman from a BYB. This is not a group of "pompous" and "self-righteous" individuals. They have made the same mistake as you.
...for one, I do not feel like I have made any mistakes. My Dobe is very healthy, and happy...secondly my BYB actually cares about the pups and interviews each applicant to make sure that they are going to good homes...thirdly, if everyone is so frustrated and "care so much" about the rescue dogs why not jump all over people that purchase dogs from breeders.

I say that all breeding of dogs must stop...until there are no more dogs left in the shelters, rescues and such. I don't care whether you purchase a dog from a BYB or a reputable breeder, you are still not helping the dogs in the shelters.
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I say that all breeding of dogs must stop...until there are no more dogs left in the shelters, rescues and such. I don't care whether you purchase a dog from a BYB or a reputable breeder, you are still not helping the dogs in the shelters.
You have no clue what you are talking about...There is a HUGE difference in a reputable breeder and the SCUM you purchased your pup from.

I fear by saying this you have just opened up a can of worms you wish you hadn't...this is a fight you will NOT win.
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...for one, I do not feel like I have made any mistakes. My Dobe is very healthy, and happy...secondly my BYB actually cares about the pups and interviews each applicant to make sure that they are going to good homes...thirdly, if everyone is so frustrated and "care so much" about the rescue dogs why not jump all over people that purchase dogs from breeders.

I say that all breeding of dogs must stop...until there are no more dogs left in the shelters, rescues and such. I don't care whether you purchase a dog from a BYB or a reputable breeder, you are still not helping the dogs in the shelters.
Spoken like the Whack-a-Mole she is. Bwawahahaha

Gotta love the "my BYB actually cares about the pups and interviews each applicant to make sure that they are going to good home".

Here's the interview.....

BYB---"You bring cash?"

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...for one, I do not feel like I have made any mistakes. My Dobe is very healthy, and happy...secondly my BYB actually cares about the pups and interviews each applicant to make sure that they are going to good homes...thirdly, if everyone is so frustrated and "care so much" about the rescue dogs why not jump all over people that purchase dogs from breeders.

I say that all breeding of dogs must stop...until there are no more dogs left in the shelters, rescues and such. I don't care whether you purchase a dog from a BYB or a reputable breeder, you are still not helping the dogs in the shelters.
You clearly did not fully read what I said. I stated that reputable breeders do not allow their dogs to find their way to shelters. Why in the world would we "jump all over people that purchase dogs from breeders"? People who rescue are very well aware that they may encounter many issues down the road. It's a total crap-shoot. They do it to help.

"All breeding of dogs must stop... until there are no more dogs left in the shelters, rescues and such". Once again reputable breeders don't allow their dogs to go to shelters, rescues and such. Oyyyyyyy.
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I fear by saying this you have just opened up a can of worms you wish you hadn't...this is a fight you will NOT win.
Why bother?

BluesDog says that he thinks that all breeding should stop yet still buys from a breeder. BluesDog is a hypocrite and any "fighting" will just go in circles because BluesDog will probably contradict everything.

What's the point?
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Wow thanks, I went there and read the comments about the members here. I see that I am not the only one who thinks that the "righteous" here are quite overboard in their thinking.

I got one more for you as well...I plan on breeding my pup as well when she gets old enough, both so I and my daughters can have more as well as making some money...
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Why bother?

BluesDog says that he thinks that all breeding should stop yet still buys from a breeder. BluesDog is a hypocrite and any "fighting" will just go in circles because BluesDog will probably contradict everything.

What's the point?

...discussions go in circles when you twist words to suit your needs...
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I got one more for you as well...I plan on breeding my pup as well when she gets old enough, both so I and my daughters can have more as well as making some money...
I think that you're trying to shock people but I can promise you that nobody is surprised and you're not all that impressive.

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Wow thanks, I went there and read the comments about the members here. I see that I am not the only one who thinks that the "righteous" here are quite overboard in their thinking.

I got one more for you as well...I plan on breeding my pup as well when she gets old enough, both so I and my daughters can have more as well as making some money...
What else do you plan on pimping out?
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I think that you're trying to shock people but I can promise you that nobody is surprised and you're not all that impressive.

Again, I pray for your pup.
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What else do you plan on pimping out?
...I have two Quarter Horses mares as well and each one kicks out a foal each year...I get $3-5K each mainly because of their pedigree, both are bays and kick out mainly bays...


...the reputable breeder mentality is the same as the "union" mentality "any non-union worker sucks in comparison to a union worker"...yeah right
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Again, I pray for your pup.
Is there a process for becoming a licensed breeder? I'd love to see the criteria...please pay for this here license and now you are a fully certified breeder...this is the joke I laugh at...
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