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Old 11-20-2012, 03:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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PSA - please crate puppies or harness while driving

I hope this is ok to post/share. I received a very sad phone call from a bitch owner that I'd bred Havoc too. A 14 week old puppy "fell" out of a car window in some kind of fluke/freak accident when the window went down and owner couldn't get it up fast enough. She fell out and was run over and died on the way to the emergency room. The owners feel just awful. Please please please crate/tether/harness puppies (and big dogs too) for their own safety. Especially puppies with all that extra skin and are so wiggly and difficult to hold onto.
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this was my biggest fear when we brought home our little man. he's been harnessed in the car since week 2 with us (so, 10 weeks of age). he hated it at first, and would cry and whine about it, but now? when i pull out the harness his entire rear end goes into wiggle mode.

i'd crate him if i had a car big enough, but the harness works well for us. he can still get fresh air with the window down, but he can't stick his head out or climb out of it.
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Oh no! That is awful! I feel for the owner.

Thank you for sharing. It makes me think more about car safety for sure. I guess I never really thought about it, but my pup could easily step on the automatic window button and get out if no one was right with him. Lately I have been keeping him on a lead while sitting next to him, but I must admit I've often left him out back while sitting up front with the driver. I don't think I will do that anymore.
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While I don't have the fear of a pup stepping on a window button or opening it (my car's windows/lock buttons are ONLY in the front seats), I strongly agree. My backseat is a bit too small to fit a full crate, so I ended up getting an Easy Rider car harness for Jaina, and it's fantastic. It seems comfortable for her, and she can lay down or sit up if she wants (though she typically lays down).

It's just too easy for them to do something like run out the door if you end up in an accident, and I'd hate to be pulled over and not have Jain restrained. Not to mention, the chance of them walking all over you while you're trying to drive!
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I couldn't agree more. We just purchased a new converted Dobie car.
The rear seats are down with a guard behind the drivers seat, one in the middle and a tailgate guard.
We have the child locks on the doors but completely forgot or rather didn't even think about the windows.
Driving down the motorway we suddenly hear a rush of air into the vehicle, looking round Boris had put his paw on the window switch and it of course opened !!
We now make sure the window lock is on at all times too.
Thankfully he just sat and was enjoying the breeze.
That poor puppy....😪
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I would be afraid to use a harness.

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Poor baby. The owners must feel just awful.

I always have mine either crated (as a baby) or else buckled in. It makes me so mad to see people driving with their dogs on their laps, hanging out the window. The only thing that upsets me more is seeing a dog loose in the bed of a pickup truck.
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Poor baby. The owners must feel just awful.

I always have mine either crated (as a baby) or else buckled in. It makes me so mad to see people driving with their dogs on their laps, hanging out the window. The only thing that upsets me more is seeing a dog loose in the bed of a pickup truck.
Oh my god, I HATE it when I see dogs tied up in the back of their pickup!

One day, a truck was in front of us, and of course it had to be one of "those" kinds of pitty owners (I loved pitties, but frankly everyone who owns one down town is a complete idiot) who had two pit bulls not only leashed to their truck, but they had PRONG COLLARS on! What the ****? If something happened, those poor things would have gotten so chewed up!
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Oh how awful!
This is why my dogs get harnessed in the car. My next car will be big enough for crates.
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I'm not sure crates are safe either. I just read about a test were the dummy dog hit the crate with enough force the crate exploded.

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I'm really sorry. That's awful.

Thanks for sharing to raise others' awareness.
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Oh, how terribly sad!! I can't imagine this happening and how sad the owner must feel.
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How terrible. I always harness, I've tested out a few harnesses on Harley, apparently he is an expert escape artist so there were quite a few he could always wiggle out of even if super tight. He never wiggles out unless it's in the car... it's weird.
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Thank you for posting this. I've mentioned this before, but some years ago, my sister was in a very low-speed collision. Her GSD was harnessed into the back seat behind her. On impact, the plastic clips on his harness broke and he caromed over her shoulder and ended up wedged between the gear shift and the dashboard. Aside from some bruises and a bit of stiffness, he was unhurt -- but she needed physio to deal with the injuries she suffered when he slammed her neck and shoulder on his way by.

Despite this, our previous guy was always harnessed in the back seat. I figured it was better than nothing. But when Jack came along, we upsized to the Jackmobile, which is big enough for a crate. But I still worry.
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Jeebuz I'm never taking my dogs in the car again, not because of the OP but rather the links Lestat posted!
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My dogs are always seat belted in, and have been since the early 1990s. My DH when we were first dating went to pick up my Rottie to bring him out to meet me and couldn't figure out WHY he would not get in the car. He had forgotten to put on his harness- and Fuss would NOT get in the car without it

That being said, I do NOT trust the doggie seatbelts- they seem far too flimsy to me. I use a regular strong harness, and short traffic lead with bull snap. I also use a hammock style seat cover, for extra security/stability. It prevents them from falling off the seat in a sudden stop.

Remy has ridden in a seatbelt since he grew too large for the biggest cat crate.
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Those videos are horrifying! Well....I guess if harnessing is out. The only option is crating in the car. I'll have to re think how to go about it.
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You know, I think you do the best you can and hope for the best. There are studies out there I'm sure for both the good and the bad aspects of crating or harnessing. For example, there is Hooligan's story about the harness failing. Here in AZ, an Aussie breeder was traveling back from an agility competition and crashed on the highway - out of the 6 dogs that were in the van, the only one that died on impact was in a crate (a puppy). So either way there can be issues. I think the important thing is that the dogs are secure in some way and not left to their own devices in a moving vehicle. Some protection is likely better than none.
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