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Old 11-15-2012, 11:54 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I really like the name Loki! Doesn't that mean god of mischief or something? I also love the name Jinx for a girl!
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:55 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I apologize for the typo. The mind works quicker than the hands can type at times. Regardless of how you abbreviate it, you get the idea and should test them because you really don't know where they came from. Knowing now is better than finding out the hard way later on.

Regardless of how you obtain your results (personally sent out two vWD titers to an outside lab for CHEAPER than the VetGen test- both times combined) and both came back with similar results. At least that is my baseline BEFORE I sent him to have his ears cropped. At the time of the second vWD send out I had a blood panel run of his full system functions including thyroid. Although I am not promoting this as the BEST method out there- and I agree the VetGen test is the preferred method, being prepared, regardless, is better than nothing.

And I urge to find a vet who can do everything. Multiple doctor practices are excellent places to start.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:40 PM   #28 (permalink)
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if u stick with thor
u can name her
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just a couple marvel superhero names lol
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:53 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I really like Loki, Its odd. Mischevious like a dobie should be.... Hmmmmmm

Yeah i was reading up last nite on common dobie health problems and ive been debating if i should get my girls ears cropped or not so its something im going to have to figure out.

Any idea what age the ultra sound of the heart should be done at?
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:12 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Are these your first dobermans? Were you aware of the breed's multiple health issues before you got them? And you got two puppies to raise together! Whew! That would make my head spin! I wish you all the best with them. Please keep us updated on how they're doing and post pics!
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:34 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I think VetGen has a DCM test, but in such a young puppy, the vet should be able evaluate murmurs and such during the many exams of puppyhood. Such is why finding a good, well rounded, reputable vet is imperative.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:40 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the info.

Yes these are my first Dobies. All breeds have there breed related health problems. The color dilution alopecia doesnt bother me. From my understanding that should only affect the fawn guy if its going to effect either.

I was unaware till recently about the blood clotting disorder and heart issue. The rest of the common health problems ive read dont bother me so much.

My dog who passed away 3-4yrs ago was full of health problems and i just rolled with the punches. He was given to me as a bday gift from family when i was a child. We grew up together. Im 23 btw. So as much as i have worked with animals and like to think i know alot doesnt mean i know everything. I actually want to go to a school to be a vet tech or some type of career working with animals.

Anyways this is the final names for them. No more changing my mind. Jynx and Loki. It fits them perfectly. there unique names and have meanings.

Id really love to find just 1 vet that i can depend on and trust. The thing is we have two vets in town. Both are questionable. To go outside of town means in the case of a emergancy it just wouldnt work. Cause nearest towns are 45 mins to 1 hour trips.

One vet gives a emergancy after hour numbers but he has turned me down many times during the nite for emergancies because he didnt want to get out of bed or didnt think it was a emergancy. The other is rude stuck up and her care is not great. I had my dog there when her vet turned her down for emergancy care. She spent a week or more there and she didnt know what was wrong and left her with kinked ivs and temp checker in her rectum and said oh i forgot about this.

So its a lose lose situation with vets in town for emergancies. For other care id happily travel aways for a good vet for all other needs. But i kinda need a emergancy vet.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:06 AM   #33 (permalink)
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My dog who passed away 3-4yrs ago was full of health problems and i just rolled with the punches. .
No comment.

I send vibes to your puppies, so glad the naming got done......
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...I was unaware till recently about the blood clotting disorder and heart issue. The rest of the common health problems ive read dont bother me so much...
Wait. Um, I dunno, sometimes when you post, I'm just left shaking my head, sorry.

The other common health problems "don't bother you so much"?

Wow. I gotta tell you, I was pretty bothered when I lost two different Dobermans, years apart, due to cancer.

There are quite a few people on this board who are going thru the heartbreaking decline, and eventual fatal end, because of liver disease in their beloved Dobermans.

Others are having to help their Doberman walk outside just to go potty, lift them up every time they lie down, and watch them suffer falls and indignities, as they succumb to Wobbler's.

I realize you don't know this, but you're making comments that are very flippant, to people who've tried to move heaven and earth to save their sick Dobermans, who could not be fixed, no matter how good the vet, how awesome the medical technology, or how very much money, time, and nursing care got thrown at the problem.

Something for you to think about.
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I think VetGen has a DCM test, but in such a young puppy, the vet should be able evaluate murmurs and such during the many exams of puppyhood. Such is why finding a good, well rounded, reputable vet is imperative.
Ascultation may find murmurs, but that has nothing to do with DCM.

The test that is offered for DCM is the genetic marker for the PDK4 gene mutation, the only identified hereditary marker for DCM, at this point in time. There are others that the researchers are still searching for.

And yes, you're correct, finding a good vet and building a working partnership with that vet, is imperative to your dogs' health.
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:19 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I wasnt meaning to come off as offensive to other people who have went through or are going through health issues with there pets.

With my dog jellybean who had passed away it was heartbreaking to see him go through what he did his whole life. At age 2 he developed severe skin allergies that he suffered with all year round that got worse with age. He had to get vetalog and depo shots every couple months just to stop itching himself bloody and loosing his hair and have some relief. Also on vetalog pills every day. Then at age 3-4 he developed seizures. Not severe enough to need medicated but every seizure i felt like that would be his last that he would never come out of it or just pass away. He would have them between 2-6 times a year id say. Towards the end i found that his seizures came a few days after getting his depo shots for his allergies so i think those were linked to his seizures. He was switched to vetalog and his seizure rate cut down in half. at age 5 he did not have good control over his back legs. They would wobble. As he aged that got progressively worse. Vet believed that he had some sort of nerve damage or conditon and said he had no feeling in his back legs. Maybe due to a injury or something else. But i had him since he was just a year old and he never had a injury. That vet told me as long as he isnt in any pain theres no need to check into it further but also warned me that he believed he would become paralized as he aged. I told him at the time he was 10yrs old now and he told me well then your doing really good. At around age 12-13 he barely could use his hind legs. his back end would give out on him just doing simple things like peeing or pooping. He no longer could get up on the bed. Age 14 he lost complete control over his hind end. He was paralized but in no pain. he could only use his front end to drag himself around. Vet told me nothing they can do. To put him to sleep. I couldnt do that because at that time he still had a good positive attitude and was still wanting to live. Good appetite and happy. So i chose to care for him. Diapers and etc... Every day sometimes 2-3 times a day i would just cry seeing him like that. It killed me. I thought on many occasions should i just put him to sleep. I couldnt do it. I sat down with him 1 day and i said to him "you can move on. Ill be okay. you dont have to stay for me anymore. I love you and ill never forget you" a few days later. I noticed him breathing funny and i knew he was passing away. I sat down with him and petted him and told him its okay. I love you. Your going to a better place. I watched as he took his last breath.

It killed me inside to watch him suffer his whole life with health problems. As much as i loved him i was selfish by not just putting him to sleep. I just thought in the back of my mind maybe he will get better. how can i play god and tell him you have to die. He was my first dog and i needed him more then he needed me. He was my best friend my whole childhood.
When he finally passed though i was relieved and sad. His suffering was over with.

I teared up talking about that cause it was hard to see a animal you love go through things like that. So im not trying to be insensitive to others at all.
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ive been debating if i should get my girls ears cropped or not so its something im going to have to figure out.
I strongly urge you not to crop either of your puppies ears. Because of the situation they came from there's a strong chance that they aren't purebred, and most people would agree that cropping a mixed-breed isn't necessary. Personally, I think fawns look especially beautiful when they are uncropped.
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Ill get pictures today of them and post and see if people think they look purebred. I was looking at those vetgen sites and stuff theres actually a dna test if i read right to tell you what breeds your dog is.
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Those tests are not something I would spend my money on, they can be very misleading.
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Haha yeah, I've heard some very funny (and ridiculous) results from those tests.
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