You always seem to have a major chip on your shoulder. Yes, forums, not just this one, have their hot buttons that the regulars usually jump all over. Knowing the pedigree can indeed be helpful. The breeder should absolutely know if this is something considered normal for their puppies in this stage of development, or if they have ever encountered something more serious relating to this in their lines that might concern them with this puppy. *I* would have no idea about their pedigree, they need to talk to the breeder about it.
I never said or even implied that all puppies that knuckle over at a particular age are from byb's. I said that a lot of puppies do and it's normally not something to worry about. But there are other possibilities that could be serious, although yes, as you said, they are rare.
So yes, I think the OP should ask the *breeder* about the puppy, their pedigree, and what they are used to seeing from it. The pedigree would do me no good at all, I'm not a doberman breeder.
Sorry Julie, this was not meant to be about you. I just get so tired of the "unknowing public" coming on here, where they do have a chance to get information, only them being sent down a different direction. They then leave with ashes in their mouths.
I have come to believe that all this stuff can backfire on us.
I vividily recall the beginnings of the Animal Rights Movement and what seemed a good idea quickly becoming a bad. At the beginnings of it, I was asked to even be a "director." So that is why I am sensitive to things like this.
I am still thinking about writting some sort of information book for the public to read as I find the general public to be so misinformed or even non informed.
Just yesterday at the local breed match a bunch of us "reputable" breeders were standing around and talking about how little the public knows. They ask if the health testing has been done but have no knowledge of the meaning of such.
So it is not just on these forums of which I speak. It is that I believe in my heart, that we can really mess things up, as once upon a time the Animal Rights Movement was in fact, a good movement. Only, people who were missinformed got in and totally turned its intended direction.
So I shudder when I see this "beating up" of the public. I also shudder when I see BYB's come on forums and likewise get beat up. It is always easier to catch more flies with honey then vinigar.
By showing the BYB person what really is going on, we win more. I really don't think everybody is bad. I'd like to win some of that other side over in fact.
I'm sorry you took it as toward you. Really, I read through these things so fast, or don't even read all the comments, that I in fact, see things as going a different way, one which is waiting to take off, in a different wrong direction, and respond. So that may in fact be my fault.
If anyone wants to call it a "chip" on the shoulder so be it. I don't believe newcomers should be so beat up, they leave and never come back. Many "reputable" breeders have also, in fact, left due to this. This has weakened the forum of discussion here.